2023-2024 Blues Multi-Purpose Thread

[Majorityof1]

I think Army got a ton of criticism yesterday. I'm not surprised at the reaction to Kyrou though. It wasn't a great response and Kyrou is the most popular scapegoat on the Blues and has been since the moment the ink dried on his contract.

Wasn't a great response, huh? Hmmm. Interesting. A great response to what? What was the exact question he was answering? Tell me that and I'll agree with you whole-heartedly. I'll wait. It might be a while because nobody ever printed the question. Yet you know whether it was a good or bad response, That seems odd to me.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

It wasn't a great response because of how it could obviously be, and was, construed. If you can't see that than I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Majorityof1]

It wasn't a great response because of how it could obviously be, and was, construed. If you can't see that than I don't know what to tell you.

How what was construed? No comment? Seriously?!?!?!?

Once the question was asked, he was f***ed. The fanbase is looking for a scapegoat. He was chosen. And the reporter chose to railroad him.

 

[TheOrganist]

How what was construed? No comment? Seriously?!?!?!?

Once the question was asked, he was f***ed. The fanbase is looking for a scapegoat. He was chosen. And the reporter chose to railroad him.

What are you even talking about? You just admitted in a previous post you have no idea what the question was that led to Kyrou’s response!

 

[Majorityof1]

What are you even talking about? You just admitted in a previous post you have no idea what the question was that led to Kyrou’s response!

I don't need to know the question to know he is being railroaded. The way JR presented it shows he was out to railroad him. The question is important if you want to analyze if he could have answered it better. But JR's motivations are clear without the question.

Edit: I've defended JR as being a bad reporter, not malicious. I was wrong.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Hahahaha. This guy is great. You need time and space to write your article about a situation you were a mastermind in helping to create all so you can put behind a paywall to line your pockets? f***ing turd.

 

[TheOrganist]

I don't need to know the question to know he is being railroaded. The way JR presented it shows he was out to railroad him. The question is important if you want to analyze if he could have answered it better. But JR's motivations are clear without the question.

Edit: I've defended JR as being a bad reporter, not malicious. I was wrong.

Kyrou made it newsworthy, not the other way around. If I had to guess (like you, I don’t know the lead-in question) JR or another reporter might’ve said: “do you have any thoughts on Craigs criticism of you last night”? I fail to see how that is “railroading” a pro athlete

 

[Oberyn]

JR is such a f***ing hack. He takes Kyrou’s quote and clearly frames it in a way to generate the most controversy. We don’t even know what Kyrou was responding to. And then JR comes around and says he needs time and space to write his article. You didn’t need time and space to throw Kyrou in the dirt and then act empathetic toward the vitriol he gets. Korac is annoying as f*** too. God our beat reporters are absolute shit.

 

[Itsnotatrap]

A lot of fans acting like we’re all trying to write a state of the union speech, all over a very short response that you can easily read more into.

“What he should have said….”

How about, when asked a question, we have an expectation that the answer is the truth?

A lot of Blues fans out there that fancy themselves brash truthtellers, that got the vapors over something that may have been bad PR, but was not outright malicious. I’m sure the 2 of them have a complicated relationship, and it’s a complex thing to process.

 

[ScratchCatFever]

Though highly unlikely, perhaps this can become a galvanizing moment from a team standpoint. Good opportunity for Bannister to implement togetherness and unity, which we haven't seen in a while.

Kyrou is not without his faults, but the people scapegoating him on this board, the asylum and at the game tonight accomplished nothing other than upping the level of toxicity permeating from this franchise. Rutherford is a yellow turd.

 

[shpongle falls]

I don’t get how ppl get so riled up over something like “no comment”. Like what the hell?? If Kyrou said Chief can go **** himself then sure, I would understand some anger from the fanbase. Everyone needs to to be so outraged all the time I guess. Hopefully this will help Kyrou grow thicker skin and I’m sure the team will rally behind him. He’s still a young kid I’m sure thats tough to deal with.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I don’t get how ppl get so riled up over something like “no comment”. Like what the hell?? If Kyrou said Chief can go **** himself then sure, I would understand some anger from the fanbase. Everyone needs to to be so outraged all the time I guess. Hopefully this will help Kyrou grow thicker skin and I’m sure the team will rally behind him. He’s still a young kid I’m sure thats tough to deal with.

it was great to see buchy and thomas with such supportive comments on him (and neither called out fans either). and bannister of course, but it's clear that buchy and thomas care and care about kyrou. buchy even said he kept passing it to kyrou bc he wanted him to score.

 

[Reality Czech]

Though highly unlikely, perhaps this can become a galvanizing moment from a team standpoint. Good opportunity for Bannister to implement togetherness and unity, which we haven't seen in a while.

Kyrou is not without his faults, but the people scapegoating him on this board, the asylum and at the game tonight accomplished nothing other than upping the level of toxicity permeating from this franchise. Rutherford is a yellow turd.

Fair points. I didn't like his comment and he has not been playing to to expectations this year. That being said any Blues "fan" who was booing him whenever he touched the puck is an asshole. I swear Blues fans are some of the most unappreciative fans in sports. Look at all that Armstrong has done for this franchise and all I read is comments about what an idiot he is and how he "ruined" the team.

And while Kyrou does have his flaws as you said, he's still a 25 year old with more pressure on his shoulders than any fan could ever imagine. The way he addressed his overblown comment after the game was more than enough for me. I hope he can put this drama behind him and focus on hockey.

I'll also add a +1 to whoever said our beat writers are garbage. They fuel the toxicity among our fan base. Honestly I kinda wish Schenn would have told the booing fans to STFU like Brady did a little while back in Ottawa. We basically have a .500 record and fans are losing their heads after every loss. I think a lot of people forget that a fan's job is to support the team, not turn on the team any time we go through a rough patch. All things considered we're pretty lucky to be Blues fans compared to a lot of other teams.

 

[Stealth JD]

Admit it. If this was a quote from Pronger after any head coach was fired, people would eat it up rather than eat him alive.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

I'll also add a +1 to whoever said our beat writers are garbage.

JR - agreed. I think he spent so much time trying to curry favor with the team that it wiped out any ability to be objective, and that wiped out his credibility.

Jim Thomas - was great covering football; no clue how he is on hockey, I haven't touched the Post-Disgrace in years and won't for the foreseeable future.

Lou Korac - one thing you know with him: you're going to get what he thinks, he's not going to dress everything up nice. Whether you agree with what he says or not is another story. I've never gotten the sense that he makes stuff up, but the Hockey News article felt a little too much like the myopic, knee-jerk takes I've seen Blues fans roll out even if I agreed with the headline of the article.

We basically have a .500 record and fans are losing their heads after every loss. I think a lot of people forget that a fan's job is to support the team, not turn on the team any time we go through a rough patch. All things considered we're pretty lucky to be Blues fans compared to a lot of other teams.

I don't think fans are booing after a loss because we lost. I think they're booing because of the lack of effort we put forth most nights when we lose. St. Louis is a very blue-collar town that expects the truth out of folks; you're working your ass off, they'll still support you even if you lose as long as they feel like they're getting the straight story. You try to pull the wool over their eyes, they see through it and get pissed. You see that with the Cardinals right now, you saw it in the later years of the Rams, you saw it in the Bill Laurie Rain of Terror. You're seeing some of that same stuff now with the Blues.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Admit it. If this was a quote from Pronger after any head coach was fired, people would eat it up rather than eat him alive.

Depends on what version of Pronger. During his 1st season here? He wouldn't been eaten alive. After he broke out into a star, he could say whatever he wanted.

And that's the key point with Kyrou. If Kyrou was producing, he could say that, and people wouldn't really care. It's the fact that he's tied for 107th among forwards in points. 133rd in points/game among forwards playing 10+ games, and tied for 32nd highest salary and 41st highest cap hit.

It's his production that is resulting in the increased reaction to his comments. If he was producing to his talent level, to his salary level, people wouldn't have cared nearly as much. Since he's not, he's viewed as one of the main problems for why we suck.

 

[bleedblue1223]

If Robert Thomas or Pavel Buchnevich had similar type comments, I don't think you would've seen the reaction that Kyrou received.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

If Robert Thomas or Pavel Buchnevich had similar type comments, I don't think you would've seen the reaction that Kyrou received.

If Thomas or Buchnevich had said it, it wouldn't have been presented in the careless way that it was presented without any context whatsoever.

JR wanted a story so he made one. Now he gets to play the remorse card despite knowing exactly what he was doing. New low for that guy.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

JR - agreed. I think he spent so much time trying to curry favor with the team that it wiped out any ability to be objective, and that wiped out his credibility.

Jim Thomas - was great covering football; no clue how he is on hockey, I haven't touched the Post-Disgrace in years and won't for the foreseeable future.

Lou Korac - one thing you know with him: you're going to get what he thinks, he's not going to dress everything up nice. Whether you agree with what he says or not is another story. I've never gotten the sense that he makes stuff up, but the Hockey News article felt a little too much like the myopic, knee-jerk takes I've seen Blues fans roll out even if I agreed with the headline of the article.

Defranks, the new guy at pd, has been pretty good but he doesn’t have much history with team yet.

 

[bleedblue1223]

It's a good thing we have an actual example of a Thomas/Berube interaction we can point to. Remember last season when Berube called the team out for not caring, and Thomas publicly said it couldn't be further from the truth.

Players can say those things without getting backlash when they are producing to their talent level and/or clearly showing a lot of effort on the ice.

 

[TheDizee]

Depends on what version of Pronger. During his 1st season here? He wouldn't been eaten alive. After he broke out into a star, he could say whatever he wanted.

And that's the key point with Kyrou. If Kyrou was producing, he could say that, and people wouldn't really care. It's the fact that he's tied for 107th among forwards in points. 133rd in points/game among forwards playing 10+ games, and tied for 32nd highest salary and 41st highest cap hit.

It's his production that is resulting in the increased reaction to his comments. If he was producing to his talent level, to his salary level, people wouldn't have cared nearly as much. Since he's not, he's viewed as one of the main problems for why we suck.

This x100000

He is getting booed because of his poor play which is a very large part in why Berube got fired, who is loved here for helping give a desperate city its first Cup win. His comment showed his immaturity and hopefully he can grow from this and fuel him to be better.

 

[Reality Czech]

JR - agreed. I think he spent so much time trying to curry favor with the team that it wiped out any ability to be objective, and that wiped out his credibility.

Jim Thomas - was great covering football; no clue how he is on hockey, I haven't touched the Post-Disgrace in years and won't for the foreseeable future.

Lou Korac - one thing you know with him: you're going to get what he thinks, he's not going to dress everything up nice. Whether you agree with what he says or not is another story. I've never gotten the sense that he makes stuff up, but the Hockey News article felt a little too much like the myopic, knee-jerk takes I've seen Blues fans roll out even if I agreed with the headline of the article.


I don't think fans are booing after a loss because we lost. I think they're booing because of the lack of effort we put forth most nights when we lose. St. Louis is a very blue-collar town that expects the truth out of folks; you're working your ass off, they'll still support you even if you lose as long as they feel like they're getting the straight story. You try to pull the wool over their eyes, they see through it and get pissed. You see that with the Cardinals right now, you saw it in the later years of the Rams, you saw it in the Bill Laurie Rain of Terror. You're seeing some of that same stuff now with the Blues.

Booing a lack of effort is fair. Booing a guy because he made a tone deaf comment is immature IMO. If Kyrou had said something openly malicious, that's a different story. I didn't like the comment either the first time I read it, but it never would have occured to me to boo the guy every time he touched the puck. I honestly felt horrible for Kyrou watching his post game comments. On the other hand, it was one of the few times he's shown genuine emotion and allowed me to see him as a living, breathing person rather than a robot on skates. Some of these guys just aren't prepared for the attention and publicity that comes with being a pro athlete and I can't hold that against him.

I just think Blues fans have been spoiled by the past 10-15 years of competitive teams that when we play average hockey, fans act like we totally suck. While I'm not 100% sure how it's possible, we are still in a playoff position after last night's game. Reading comments online it would seem that we're one of the worst teams in the league based on the level of anger coming from the fan base. I don't think this "tough love" approach from the fans is going to accomplish anything besides make some guys not want to play here anymore. If it appears that they players have totally given up, then by all means boo away but I don't see that from the team this year.

 

[joe galiba]

Booing a lack of effort is fair. Booing a guy because he made a tone deaf comment is immature IMO. If Kyrou had said something openly malicious, that's a different story. I didn't like the comment either the first time I read it, but it never would have occured to me to boo the guy every time he touched the puck. I honestly felt horrible for Kyrou watching his post game comments. On the other hand, it was one of the few times he's shown genuine emotion and allowed me to see him as a living, breathing person rather than a robot on skates. Some of these guys just aren't prepared for the attention and publicity that comes with being a pro athlete and I can't hold that against him.

I just think Blues fans have been spoiled by the past 10-15 years of competitive teams that when we play average hockey, fans act like we totally suck. While I'm not 100% sure how it's possible, we are still in a playoff position after last night's game. Reading comments online it would seem that we're one of the worst teams in the league based on the level of anger coming from the fan base. I don't think this "tough love" approach from the fans is going to accomplish anything besides make some guys not want to play here anymore. If it appears that they players have totally given up, then by all means boo away but I don't see that from the team this year.

Kyrou is a shy, quiet kid, and it shows every time he is ever interviewed, yesterday showed what a real life lack of class some people have, just appalling

 

[Itsnotatrap]

Do we at this point know what the exact line of questioning was that drew out that response? Was there any video? To me, it feels like the player expected it to be an off the record decline of a comment, and he got boned by JR. I don’t know the full context, but that’s where I am at for now.

It was so easy to make some obvious leaps from that comment, but on its face there wasn’t much of real substance there.

I hate that 99% of player comments are recited pablum, like a Teddy Ruxpin doll (if you are old enough to remember that). This is why it’s like that.

 

[bleedblue1223]

On a positive note, Robert Thomas is really developing into a #1 C this season. He's shooting more and on pace for over 30 goals. And he's producing while having less of a sheltered role with ROR gone and Schenn returning to a more sheltered role. He's looking like a player you can really build around.

He's tied for 23rd among forwards in points, 31st in goals, 27th in assists, 3rd in FO wins.