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Not a fan of that comment.

Don't get me wrong, I've said similar about old co-workers and supervisors. But, this was not the time to make that type of comment.

Me neither. I don't think Kyrou has the personality to become a true star in this league. If he was traded I wouldn't mind one bit. I bet he plays Call of Duty with more intensity than he plays on the ice.
 
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Kyrou is in that position where he just needs to start producing. It's one thing to be a streaky scorer with somewhat questionable committment to the defensive side, Tarasenko was that at times, but Tarasenko always had that hunger to win in him, and when he was healthy, always produced. There are certainly doubts over Kyrou and he can go on much longer cold spells.

Is Kyrou ultimately going to be a coach killer or was it simply a bad relationship and the next one will be better? It's up to him for how it plays out.
 

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I think it’s hilarious, to be honest.

I’m no Kyrou apologist but he’s been the whipping boy while everyone acts like Berube could do no wrong. Good on Jordan for firing back a little bit and I hope he proves people wrong.
You know what, yeah.

Berube was not some infallible man and Kyrou said nothing wrong here. Berube is gone and he remains. Berube has publicly said plenty of unfavorable things about Kyrou and has doubled-down on them by stating that he doesn’t regret anything he says (evidence by that stupid comment Berube said last year about both Kyrou and Thomas).

Let Kyrou have one last jab. Judge him on whether he starts producing now.
 
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Realistically what can we even get for most of these players? This year our expiring UFAs are Kapanen, Vrana, Scandella, Blais, and Sundqvist. None of those are gonna fetch much. Scandella might actually have the most value right now at 50% retained. We would probably be better off re-signing Blais and Sundqvist at league minimum than the paltry value you would get for them. Barring a massive change, Vrana is worthless on the market. Overall you're maybe looking at a third each for Kapanen and Scandella both at 50%.

The two players that we can trade that don't fit our timeline that may actually get value is Saad and Hayes. I wouldn't be in a rush to trade either, as they provide enough value for their contracts, but I could see both getting decent value especially if we were willing to retain for multiple years. Hayes at 1.75M for multiple years would be very valuable for a contending team.

Overall, those four players are really it. Unless you want to trade a core piece like Buchnevich, Parayko, Kyrou, or Binnington, we are not going to add much more draft capital or prospects. I would listen on all of those but I doubt you would get fair value for any of them. Buchnevich makes the most since to trade with him becoming a UFA in a season and a half, but that's tough because he's a player that actually puts in consistent effort, which the culture of this team desperately needs.
Two 3rd round picks could be tacked on as sweeteners in other deals, or used to move up a bit higher, especially if they are for this year's draft since we already have our own, and NYR's.
 

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I think it’s hilarious, to be honest.

I’m no Kyrou apologist but he’s been the whipping boy while everyone acts like Berube could do no wrong. Good on Jordan for firing back a little bit and I hope he proves people wrong.

Well that's just blatantly false. Says a lot about Kyrou that the one time he shows some snarl this year it's to a reporter and not on the ice.
 

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I just read it and was coming here to post it. I think there is some bias and selectivity, but for the most part I'd say it is a pretty damn accurate step-by-step breakdown of how we got here today. He has clearly had a lot of this article chambered for a while.

I'd love to know his source on the claim that $7.5M AAV with a full NMC would have gotten it done for Petro. I've never heard him say that before and it feels a touch odd/petty/convenient to hold that one back until the day you publish an article like this one.
 

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I just read it and was coming here to post it. I think there is some bias and selectivity, but for the most part I'd say it is a pretty damn accurate step-by-step breakdown of how we got here today. He has clearly had a lot of this article chambered for a while.

I'd love to know his source on the claim that $7.5M AAV with a full NMC would have gotten it done for Petro. I've never heard him say that before and it feels a touch odd/petty/convenient to hold that one back until the day you publish an article like this one.
I thought about posting it for that part about what Petro would have signed for. But I don't buy he has a source given what you said, and I didn't want to open that xan again.
 

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The thing I worry about for an inevitable departure of Armstrong is that the amount of actually good GMs in this league are very few. I think Army is one of those despite his deficiencies at building a defense in this league. I give him credit for having a vision and trying to execute that, but I think the direction is probably wrong (STL, TB, Vegas all had tough defenses to play against. Puck movement might be way overrated right now).

I think Armstrong had a pretty good idea of how to build a tight, defensive unit, but his vision for puck movement is incorrect. I think you see that with the performance this team has had for a few years now when compared to other teams with "lesser" players. It's probably the case that he was incredibly lucky to hit so big on Parayko and having Petro develop into a true #1 all around defenseman. His trades for Bouw and Gunnarsson are underrated even if some of their years were questionable. Generally I feel comfortable with Army building another defense again, but with the heavy contracts we have now, it seems like it'll be built too late.
I think Armstrong has an outdated understanding on who you can build around. He keeps talking about how Thomas and Kyrou are PPG players which is something we never had during the mid 10's but never mentions that the % of the league that's PPG has raised significantly. Back then those are Franchise players, now they're just good 1st liners and I think the expectation that they are adequate to build around is inherently faulty and bringing us down the wrong path. It's neither Thomas nor Kyrou's fault, they're just not in the echelon that the expectations match where they fit in the context of the league. That said, I don't think their contracts are too high for their actual output either, I think the cast around them is a much bigger problem.
 

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I think Armstrong has an outdated understanding on who you can build around. He keeps talking about how Thomas and Kyrou are PPG players which is something we never had during the mid 10's but never mentions that the % of the league that's PPG has raised significantly. Back then those are Franchise players, now they're just good 1st liners and I think the expectation that they are adequate to build around is inherently faulty and bringing us down the wrong path. It's neither Thomas nor Kyrou's fault, they're just not in the echelon that the expectations match where they fit in the context of the league. That said, I don't think their contracts are too high for their actual output either, I think the cast around them is a much bigger problem.

im hoping Dvorsky, Snuggs and Bolduc are better than Thomas, Kyrou and Neighbors. Nothing against those three, it will just help our re-build if it happens.….obviously.
 

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Well that's just blatantly false. Says a lot about Kyrou that the one time he shows some snarl this year it's to a reporter and not on the ice.
It isn’t false. Obviously “everyone” is hyperbole but look at the replies to that tweet. It’s nothing but Blues fans trashing Kyrou and whining that Berube is gone. It’s rather comical.

Is Kyrou supposed to lie and kiss Berube’s ass? No. He doesn’t care that Berube is gone and there’s nothing wrong with him having that opinion. There will always be players on every team that don’t care for their coach and that’s just the way it is.
 

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If Kyrou hit the ground running tonight and scores a goal I feel like he'll get more flack for scoring after Berube is gone than if he doesn't.


"Oh, so you were just being lazy so you can get your coach fired, and then you want to start playing again"

(this is not towards anyone on the boards, this is directed towards people on Twitter/X and reddit)
 

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Not a fan of that comment.

Don't get me wrong, I've said similar about old co-workers and supervisors. But, this was not the time to make that type of comment.
I’ll agree that it was probably a bit immature, but I can certainly understand his frustration. He pours in goals and people (including the target of the no comment) talks about his lack of defensive awareness. He works on his defense and the same people complaining about him not scoring, despite the fact that he is clearly snake bitten. No one wants to be the whipping boy, and I’m sure he would love to unload even more of his frustration, but he could have handled the question more diplomatically. That comes with experience.
 

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I’ll agree that it was probably a bit immature, but I can certainly understand his frustration. He pours in goals and people (including the target of the no comment) talks about his lack of defensive awareness. He works on his defense and the same people complaining about him not scoring, despite the fact that he is clearly snake bitten. No one wants to be the whipping boy, and I’m sure he would love to unload even more of his frustration, but he could have handled the question more diplomatically. That comes with experience.
Agreed. I think we are seeing frustration from kyrou. Frustration that he has been doing right things and points ain’t coming. Frustration that team stinks and finger is pointed at him. Frustration that Berube kept harping on him. I get it.

I didn’t love the comment but I don’t think it was malicious. I don’t think he is bad guy. I think maybe HE needed this coaching change to reset, and that is what came out.
 

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If Kyrou hit the ground running tonight and scores a goal I feel like he'll get more flack for scoring after Berube is gone than if he doesn't.


"Oh, so you were just being lazy so you can get your coach fired, and then you want to start playing again"

(this is not towards anyone on the boards, this is directed towards people on Twitter/X and reddit)

Nah, the thing is we all saw he was working hard but was snake bitten. Last nights turn over was the first mistake the likes of last season from Kyrou I have seen all season. His work ethic at the very least has improved.
 

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Nah, the thing is we all saw he was working hard but was snake bitten. Last nights turn over was the first mistake the likes of last season from Kyrou I have seen all season. His work ethic at the very least has improved.
Oh, I agree. And like I said, outside of maybe one person here, I don't expect anyone on here to have that response. It's mainly towards the people on Twitter/X and Reddit who are screaming at the top of their lungs that he, and he alone, sabotaged the Blues to get Berube fired.
 
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I thought about posting it for that part about what Petro would have signed for. But I don't buy he has a source given what you said, and I didn't want to open that xan again.
I want to offer a thought on it, but I already know no matter what gets said everyone who swears to God Armstrong was running Pietrangelo out of town come hell or high water isn't changing their mind, and everyone who swears to God Pietrangelo was getting the hell out no matter what offer Armstrong gave him isn't changing their mind either - and for both of those groups, there's no in-between they'll ever accept.
 

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He also used to work his Brother's Northern Edge hockey camps in St. Louis. He signed one of his Flint Generals hockey cards for me when I went to that as a kid, but I have no idea where it went.
His brother was also a minority owner of Sioux City in the USHL that was majority owned by one of the Blues minority investors.
 

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I didn’t love Kyrou’s comment, but I also think he’s been giving an honest effort to be a better all around player and is frustrated that the points aren’t coming. I don’t agree with the “lazy” or “selfish” narrative that I’ve seen tossed around and still absolutely believe he can be an adequate defensive player and a point per game player. Would be great to see him catch fire. His underlying metrics are still solid, the puck is just not going in right now. They’ll come.
 

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Kyrou's reply is like that because he is a loser and a bum. That's all.

Separately, the purpose of repeated sarcasm about "being more powerful than the owner" is because it was always so catastrophically, arrogantly imbecilic and most importantly that was CLEARLY the moment when everyone's alarm bells should have been blaring five alarms that the ship was going down. It was so disproportionately significant. It was a shotgun blast to the chest. "Why don't you just move on?" Because some decisions are so openly fatal and stupid.
 

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His reply here really pisses me off.

Context is important and I haven't seen a full transcript or a video of this, but man.

Just give the "Coach Just Got Shitcanned" equivalent of "Gotta get pucks deep and work hard in the corners" and move on.

Its crazy that the guy who said "Coach got fired don't want to talk about him" is getting more heat than the guy who fired him.
 
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Its crazy that the guy who said "Coach got fired don't want to talk about him" is getting more heat than the guy who fired him.
I think Army got a ton of criticism yesterday. I'm not surprised at the reaction to Kyrou though. It wasn't a great response and Kyrou is the most popular scapegoat on the Blues and has been since the moment the ink dried on his contract.
 
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