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What changed? Larry Robinson took a step back from helping and Van Ryn f***ed with the systems. Good riddance to Van Ryne
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What changed? Larry Robinson took a step back from helping and Van Ryn f***ed with the systems. Good riddance to Van Ryne
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If changing coaches didn’t work then teams wouldn’t ever fire anyone, they would just keep the same coaches for 15+ years.
There’s a reason they don’t, though.
I’m not saying it’s a guarantee that things will improve but it’s extremely short-sighted to write off that possibility.
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That's my take on the situation as well. Once the training wheels came off he couldn't make the adjustments needed to keep the defense pedaling upright.
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I heard Strickland say recently that they changed up their defensive scheme three times last season, which is really rare for teams to do apparently. It would make sense why the players were confused and defense was horrible.
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That is interesting. Sometimes too much change can be counterproductive. I know it's natural for fans to try and pinpoint the person or persons to blame but I bet the answer is often more complex than it seems. Even if the team played up to their potential last year, I doubt we would have gone very far in the playoffs. Sometimes you just have to admit that the team just wasn't good enough.
The way I look at it, it was a frustrating year but the end result was us getting a good draft pick and a very nice player to build around for the future. That's preferable to the moral victory of getting a low playoff seed and an early exit. All we can hope for is that players who underachieved last year can rebound and a revamped coaching staff can produce better results. I know people want that quick fix that will turn things around instantly but that's not usually how things work.
It’s amazing how much better coached we were when Larry Robinson or Montgomery was on staff. It’s like they could cut through the crap and explain things clearly to players. Without them we look tentative and confused. Add that to changes in room and in personnel and we had last years mess. No guarantee new guys can fix, but no way we were getting fixed with mvr and mact.
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The team's defense had been slipping well before this past year. And, as you pointed out, Van Ryn has been the defensive coach all through that time.
The players could easily be a problem. But evidence shows that Van Ryn was a problem too. So much so, that Armstrong fired him as soon as the season ended.
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Or some people cannot look at what is happening wrong on the ice and make the correct adjustments
I want better players, better coaches and a better defensive scheme.
According to everyone in 2022 our Dcorp over performed and then last year under performed. What changed from 2022 to 2023? Montgomery left and we replaced him with Craig MacTavish. You know, the guy that was so bad even the oilers fired him? Also Van Ryn also ran total dumpster fire defense in 2019 as well, that's why we were last place on Jan 1st. We had to bring in Robinson to fix our defense.
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I guess we will see this year if was all the coaches fault (it wasn’t) or if the players played a big role in the defensive failures too.
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I don't think anyone is saying it was all the coaches fault. I have been on the "We are bringing on the wrong Defensemen" and "what are we doing with our defensive scheme/fire Van Ryn" trains for awhile. Its the old meme "Is it bad coaching or bad players? Both? Both. Both is good," Except here, as it is two bad things, both is very, very not good.
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You're hired.
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Also, for all the bickering about defense, as valid as that is, Binnington was terrible. Dude allowed absurd rebounds, leading to rebound goals. The proper defensive scheme and adequate skill can limit that, but there's only so much they can do. Backdoor goals, for example, are more on the defense; but when your goalie allows dangerous rebounds all the time, you have to cheat in the wrong direction. It's so easy to start running around at that point.
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Poor Hayes. He must not have ever played on a good team before.
Binnington was the only reason we had a chance in most games but no, it's all on him.
Could you imagine if we used a defense strategy that played to our weaknesses and strengths? Like maybe box out, gather and control reobunds? Our defense didn't box anyone out. Binnington routinely had no help in front of the or around the crease at all. But no! It's all on Binnington.
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