2023-2024 Blues Multi-Purpose Thread

[Frenzy31]

Back on Topic. It is interesting that Thomas went to see another player that was know for making great passes vs a sniper. I hope he will be able to see and increase in goals this year. Would make him a far more dangerous player if he was more of a dual threat.

 

[rumrokh]

Back on Topic. It is interesting that Thomas went to see another player that was know for making great passes vs a sniper. I hope he will be able to see and increase in goals this year. Would make him a far more dangerous player if he was more of a dual threat.

Oates is extremely well-known as a comprehensive skills coach. Lots of guys have gone to him to improve their goal scoring.

 

[Xerloris]

Oates is extremely well-known as a comprehensive skills coach. Lots of guys have gone to him to improve their goal scoring.

Didn't he also help Ovechkin?

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Here is Oates' client list, via his training academy's website:

PAVEL BUCHNEVICH BLUES
CAL CLUTTERBUCK ISLANDERS
ANDREW COPP RED WINGS
RASMUS DAHLIN SABRES
MAX DOMI TBA
MATT DUCHENE TBA
JACK EICHEL GOLDEN KNIGHTS
CONOR GARLAND CANUCKS
ERIK GUDBRANSON BLUE JACKETS
BO HORVAT ISLANDERS
NIKITA KUCHEROV LIGHTNING
OLLI MAATTA RED WINGS
NATHAN MACKINNON AVALANCHE
CONNOR MCDAVID OILERS
JOSH MORRISSEY JETS
DARNELL NURSE OILERS
ALEXANDER ROMANOV ISLANDERS
MARK SCHEIFELE JETS
BRAYDEN SCHENN BLUES
LUKE SCHENN TBA
TYLER SEGUIN STARS
JEFF SKINNER SABRES
STEVEN STAMKOS LIGHTNING
RYAN STROME DUCKS
NICK SUZUKI CANADIENS
SHEA THEODORE GOLDEN KNIGHTS
ROBERT THOMAS BLUES
MATTHEW TKACHUK PANTHERS
JONATHAN TOEWS TBA
JAMES VAN RIEMSDYK TBA
TREVOR ZEGRAS DUCKS

 

[Xerloris]

Here is Oates' client list, via his training academy's website:

If this is reply to me asking about Ovechkin I wanted ti clarify I meant when he was coach of the capitals. Around the time of the last lockout?

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

If this is reply to me asking about Ovechkin I wanted ti clarify I meant when he was coach of the capitals. Around the time of the last lockout?

It's not. Just sharing the information since multiple people were wondering.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

watching peru with parayko reminded me that i want leddy with faulk and for the top 4 to have fairly even deployment. i want to see parayko dominate all over the ice and not get stuck in zone all the time and easier deployment will help facilitate that.

 

[simon IC]

watching peru with parayko reminded me that i want leddy with faulk and for the top 4 to have fairly even deployment. i want to see parayko dominate all over the ice and not get stuck in zone all the time and easier deployment will help facilitate that.

Parayko can't be dominant all over the ice if he has to shelter Perunovich. I don't like that pairing at all.

 

[rumrokh]

Parayko can't be dominant all over the ice if he has to shelter Perunovich. I don't like that pairing at all.

Especially if Perunovich doesn't move his damn feet. Brrrrother. He can look so good at times and so nothing at times.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Parayko can't be dominant all over the ice if he has to shelter Perunovich. I don't like that pairing at all.

I didn’t mean to suggest that he should be paired with Peru. But I’d like to see him paired with Krug so that we can run equal usage with Leddy/Faulk pairing.

 

[BlueDream]

I didn’t mean to suggest that he should be paired with Peru. But I’d like to see him paired with Krug so that we can run equal usage with Leddy/Faulk pairing.

He would have to shelter Krug too, that’s another horrible option. Parayko won’t be dominant until we get him a real partner.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

He would have to shelter Krug too, that’s another horrible option. Parayko won’t be dominant until we get him a real partner.

He has a real partner. Leddy is fine player. The issue is usage. As long as they insist on insane usage he won’t shine. Play him like a normal d and he will. But can only do that if Faulk pairing picks up slack, which is why we need to break up Faulk and krug.

 

[joe galiba]

Parayko can't be dominant all over the ice if he has to shelter Perunovich. I don't like that pairing at all.

except we don’t know if Perunovich needs to be sheltered at the NHL level
he hasn’t played enough to find out as he has not been healthy
part of Krug’s problem is the odd man situations caused by his lack of top end speed if there is a breakdown in the offensive zone or neutral ice, Peru doesn’t have that limitation

 

[Quaz]

He would have to shelter Krug too, that’s another horrible option. Parayko won’t be dominant until we get him a real partner.

I agree. I don’t know if Scandella, Tucker, or Rosen are the answer either. Perunovich played top pair on a top college team, so maybe he can do it. Although I would rather Perunovich play with Faulk. I don’t like the idea of Krug and Perunovich in the same lineup, so it doesn’t look like the Blues have many options.

 

[TK 421]

The way our season plays out is going to be strongly impacted by what Mike Weber can do with this D group. Jim Montgomery was able to make it work a couple seasons ago and we will need a similar magic trick pulled to cover our personnel deficiencies this year.

 

[Renard]

Back on Topic. It is interesting that Thomas went to see another player that was know for making great passes vs a sniper. I hope he will be able to see and increase in goals this year. Would make him a far more dangerous player if he was more of a dual threat.

When he was with us, Oates' car had plates that said "Pass it!" So now he is the he expert on shooting?

 

[Xerloris]

When he was with us, Oates' car had plates that said "Pass it!" So now he is the he expert on shooting?

you're missing the big picture. Oates knows how to play to give himself room to make those passes. Thomas has to learn that.

 

[Spektre]

For what it’s worth, the Athletic writers seem to agree, that a tanking strategy would be beneficial for the Blues this season.

This is a comment in the season preview for the Blues:

“Maybe the Blues successfully tank, earn a top-five pick and do a quick retool to get back into the playoffs soon. A 35 percent chance of landing in the bottom five does look appealing.”

It’s not a popular opinion, but one I agree could catapult the rebuild / retool.

 

[Mike Liut]

For what it’s worth, the Athletic writers seem to agree, that a tanking strategy would be beneficial for the Blues this season.

This is a comment in the season preview for the Blues:

“Maybe the Blues successfully tank, earn a top-five pick and do a quick retool to get back into the playoffs soon. A 35 percent chance of landing in the bottom five does look appealing.”

It’s not a popular opinion, but one I agree could catapult the rebuild / retool.

A top 5 pick plus trading Buch, Vrana and Kap is my hope.

 

[HighNote]

A top 5 pick plus trading Buch, Vrana and Kap is my hope.

And Krug.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

And Krug.

And anyone who plays video games in their spare time. These fools better be out, drinking, breaking laws, and getting in trouble in their spare time.

 

[rumrokh]

For what it’s worth, the Athletic writers seem to agree, that a tanking strategy would be beneficial for the Blues this season.

This is a comment in the season preview for the Blues:

“Maybe the Blues successfully tank, earn a top-five pick and do a quick retool to get back into the playoffs soon. A 35 percent chance of landing in the bottom five does look appealing.”

It’s not a popular opinion, but one I agree could catapult the rebuild / retool.

It's not necessarily right, but the Athletic isn't known for subtle, so it makes sense. You're either a contender now, you have the crucial pieces to become a contender and it's all about time and fostering that core, or you need to punt and regroup. There are some teams in there that cannot afford to punt and regroup with their current structure and revenue, but good luck finding an analyst who advocates for that approach.

Outside of a shocking development, the Blues don't have any superstars or the defense to be a contender. And as enticing as their growing prospect stable is, they aren't getting help on defense and most of those guys are at least a couple years away.

The big problem, though, is how much you have to burn down the current team to get bad enough to say it was worth it. And then do you even get the players you need, or is it basically the equivalent of EJ and Eller? And if that happens, are you still bad enough and also lucky enough to get your next Pietrangelo, Tarasenko, and Schwartz after that? And did you burnout and have to overpay other guys to stick around along the way?

I feel like it's hazy enough that I'm suspicious of anybody who thinks the path is clear. Not suspicious of people who are confident about which direction they want to see the team go, but how to get there. It's really common for fans and talking heads to misread how quickly bubble teams rise and fall.

 

[Xerloris]

And anyone who plays video games in their spare time. These fools better be out, drinking, breaking laws, and getting in trouble in their spare time.

Don't forget the hookers.

 

[Drubilly]

Don't forget the hookers.

And that sweet sweet booger sugar

 

[Spektre]

It's not necessarily right, but the Athletic isn't known for subtle, so it makes sense. You're either a contender now, you have the crucial pieces to become a contender and it's all about time and fostering that core, or you need to punt and regroup. There are some teams in there that cannot afford to punt and regroup with their current structure and revenue, but good luck finding an analyst who advocates for that approach.

Outside of a shocking development, the Blues don't have any superstars or the defense to be a contender. And as enticing as their growing prospect stable is, they aren't getting help on defense and most of those guys are at least a couple years away.

The big problem, though, is how much you have to burn down the current team to get bad enough to say it was worth it. And then do you even get the players you need, or is it basically the equivalent of EJ and Eller? And if that happens, are you still bad enough and also lucky enough to get your next Pietrangelo, Tarasenko, and Schwartz after that? And did you burnout and have to overpay other guys to stick around along the way?

I feel like it's hazy enough that I'm suspicious of anybody who thinks the path is clear. Not suspicious of people who are confident about which direction they want to see the team go, but how to get there. It's really common for fans and talking heads to misread how quickly bubble teams rise and fall.

I don't see an easy path forward for the organization. I like Army as a GM. I think he's done a good job during his tenure. I'm not buying into this whole "retool" catch phrase. None of us have magic wands, but I can't see how putting patches and band-aids on this current roster can elevate it to a Cup contender.