GDT: 2022 World Juniors Championship Part Deux

Xirik

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Being a Canadian Devils fan is rought during this tournament.

I want the Canadians to win but no blowout games

I usually don't want the U.S to win but because Hughes is on the team I want them to win so they get to play more.

I don't view Hockey as a "Canadian" game as it was the Native people of Nova Scotia who first came up with it and I don't feel its a good idea to take more of their history more then we already have.
 

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I mean from a projection/prospect standpoint, is he in higher regard than Matthews was?
Not in my eyes. They are both generational goal-scorers -- both capable of topping the 70 mark at the NHL level and I'm not exaggerating -- but Matthews is a big kid who is an all-around center, while Bedard is just as "pure scorer" as it gets. So, what I'm saying is Matthews and Bedard will be similar in terms of scoring, but Matthews will be the better all around player in the long run. This is not a slight on Bedard, of course, Auston Matthews is the second best hockey player on the planet Earth.

I'm already scared to think what Matthews will command as a 26-year old UFA after the 2023-24 season. I don't see him staying in Toronto. Re-building big-market teams like Chicago and Detroit might already be poising themselves for a run at him.

As for Bedard, he is going to be the biggest draft-day catch since Auston Matthews (for those wondering, Jack Hughes would slot in second on this list). What he would potentially mean to a struggling-at-the-gate franchise like Arizona or an establishing-themselves expansion team like Seattle is almost unfathomable. Philadelphia and Chicago are also teams I'd expect to be in the Bedard mix, and either franchise would be reinvigorated to build around a future superstar like Bedard. The dark horses to me would be Montreal, Buffalo and San Jose.

Unfortunately -- or fortunately, I don't see the Devils in the Bedard mix. The blueline and top 6 are extremely strong in New Jersey, and the goaltending will, at the very least, be greatly improved from last year's debacle. I just can't see a bottom 7 or 8 overall finish for this year's Devils, and I'd dare to say the playoffs are within reach, though the extremely tough Metropolitan Division will be a brutal gauntlet to get through.
 

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Not in my eyes. They are both generational goal-scorers -- both capable of topping the 70 mark at the NHL level and I'm not exaggerating -- but Matthews is a big kid who is an all-around center, while Bedard is just as "pure scorer" as it gets. So, what I'm saying is Matthews and Bedard will be similar in terms of scoring, but Matthews will be the better all around player in the long run. This is not a slight on Bedard, of course, Auston Matthews is the second best hockey player on the planet Earth.

I'm already scared to think what Matthews will command as a 26-year old UFA after the 2023-24 season. I don't see him staying in Toronto. Re-building big-market teams like Chicago and Detroit might already be poising themselves for a run at him.

As for Bedard, he is going to be the biggest draft-day catch since Auston Matthews (for those wondering, Jack Hughes would slot in second on this list). What he would potentially mean to a struggling-at-the-gate franchise like Arizona or an establishing-themselves expansion team like Seattle is almost unfathomable. Philadelphia and Chicago are also teams I'd expect to be in the Bedard mix, and either franchise would be reinvigorated to build around a future superstar like Bedard. The dark horses to me would be Montreal, Buffalo and San Jose.

Unfortunately -- or fortunately, I don't see the Devils in the Bedard mix. The blueline and top 6 are extremely strong in New Jersey, and the goaltending will, at the very least, be greatly improved from last year's debacle. I just can't see a bottom 7 or 8 overall finish for this year's Devils, and I'd dare to say the playoffs are within reach, though the extremely tough Metropolitan Division will be a brutal gauntlet to get through.
Plus, if the Devils do end up at a bottom 7 or 8 finish, me thinks Fitz's seat may be getting a bit warm...
 

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Plus, if the Devils do end up at a bottom 7 or 8 finish, me thinks Fitz's seat may be getting a bit warm...
It will definitely be warm if that's the case. I don't think it'll get him fired, but I think his job starts to come into question. Fairly recently I actually went down and revisited the road of when Shero was fired and reread and even read for the first time a lot of the pieces that came out around that time. From everything gathered then the reason he was fired was more lack of results than anything. And there was even talk that his slow reactions to fire Hynes and to really do anything after the poor start in 19-20 (which followed a big summer and a lot of spending and new acquisitions) really hurt him and it was just a matter of if we would be allowed to finish the season out or not, but he was definitely going that offseason.

This offseason feels a lot like the 2019 offseason, in that we've made a lot of improvements/acquisitions and we're now to the cap. That year we weren't to the cap (I don't think?) but we got closer than any of the other years since Lou's been gone, up until this year. We also have huge question marks in goal still, just like we did that season.

I don't think he's gonna f*** around and wait very long to pull the trigger on a Ruff firing if we stumble. Especially not with Andrew Brunette here and waiting. There won't be any bullshit Ray Shero send Kate Madigan to the bench to babysit Lindy Ruff moves. That was one of the stupidest Shero moves ever. It was like keeping someone on life support that has no chance at all.
 
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I'm going to watch tomorrow nights game but this tournament has been underwhelming aside from Hughes & USA playing really well. This year is an exception with it having to be played in the summer and some really good prospects sitting this one out. Canada hosts it again this winter in Halifax/Moncton , I'm hoping to see better a better atmosphere playing in those smaller arenas. This year's tournament just feels alot less important than most years but once those elimination games get going tomorrow than things will pick up.
 

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I was starting to watch this guys even before the season. I'm not done to say Bedard is the best one on the draft overall. Even the second one. But im not telling he isn't talented enough.because he is. He is very talented. And I can't imagine he coukd be not the first overall. But im talking about most talented overall.
 
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Generational is such an overused term. To me the only generational players in the league are Crosby and McDavid.

Bedard is definitely on another level and we're splitting hairs, but I don't get the generational vibe.
 

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Different tournaments, years, etc… but Bedard’s production so far is pretty great.

Bedard is out producing McDavid and Crosby in their pre-draft year WJC but this tournament is so weird that the comparison may be kind of moot.
 
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Generational is such an overused term. To me the only generational players in the league are Crosby and McDavid.

Bedard is definitely on another level and we're splitting hairs, but I don't get the generational vibe.
I’d say that Makar is “ looking “ like he could be generational but too early to say for sure. Karlsson looked very elite to start out but has not been for some time now and is not close to generational at all . The last D I’d say was generational was N. Lindstrom and even then I’m not sure if the label fits .
 

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From a non indepth look it seems like next years draft is pretty deep and there seems to be a fair amount of "Power forward" type players in the top 30 so I think wherever we finish we will end up getting a quality player for the team.

-Fantili
-Stramel
-Barlow
-Musty
-Mathew Wood :naughty:
-But
-Terrance
 

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From a non indepth look it seems like next years draft is pretty deep and there seems to be a fair amount of "Power forward" type players in the top 30 so I think wherever we finish we will end up getting a quality player for the team.

-Fantili
-Stramel
-Barlow
-Musty
-Mathew Wood :naughty:
-But
-Terrance

But? LOL there's seriously a guy with that name?
 

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I was starting to watch this guys even before the season. I'm not done to say Bedard is the best one on the draft overall. Even the second one. But im not telling he isn't talented enough.because he is. He is very talented. And I can't imagine he coukd be not the first overall. But im talking about most talented overall.
I've never seen a player with so many various shot release points, all of which are elite. Conor Bedard is special -- he's just going to score like crazy wherever he plays.

Bedard can be skating at full speed with a defender covering him with a strong gap, and it just doesn't matter. Bedard's hands are outstanding -- he can dangle, and when dragging the puck he can release an elite shot with one of the quickest unleashes I've ever seen from any point during his dragging of the puck, no matter if he's skating fast or slow, vertically or laterally.

Now, I'm not saying Conor Bedard will wind up being the best player in the NHL, or even from the 2023 draft class. It's too early yet, and this is a special draft class all the way through. But I will say he's going to score a whole lot of goals in the NHL. Barring injury, I'd guarantee it.
 

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I’d say that Makar is “ looking “ like he could be generational but too early to say for sure. Karlsson looked very elite to start out but has not been for some time now and is not close to generational at all . The last D I’d say was generational was N. Lindstrom and even then I’m not sure if the label fits .
I could've seen Karlsson hang on to the "generational" tag if he'd been more consistent. Instead he had a few truly historic seasons, but flamed out quickly. Though that likely had a lot to do with injuries and being on less than stellar teams. Ovechkin's 36 and still one of the best goal scorers in the league. Crosby's 35 and still plays near a hundred point pace every year. Karlsson is 32 and everyone's mostly like "yeah he used to be real good."
 

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I could've seen Karlsson hang on to the "generational" tag if he'd been more consistent. Instead he had a few truly historic seasons, but flamed out quickly. Though that likely had a lot to do with injuries and being on less than stellar teams. Ovechkin's 36 and still one of the best goal scorers in the league. Crosby's 35 and still plays near a hundred point pace every year. Karlsson is 32 and everyone's mostly like "yeah he used to be real good."
Crosby is an anomaly to me. He’s had numerous injuries and concussions and he’s not overwhelmingly big and strong like Ovechkin or Jagr.
 
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Crosby is an anomaly to me. He’s had numerous injuries and concussions and he’s not overwhelmingly big and strong like Ovechkin or Jagr.
Crosby ALWAYS felt like an anomaly to me. A non-hockey fan watches McDavid or Ovechkin and it's clear that they're special. Crosby doesn't do that, he's just the most solid player of all time. He has crazy skill, but it's very rarely flashy skill. He just never misses a pass, can corral any puck that comes near him, is impossible to knock off his skates, and makes the right decision probably more often than anyone else who's ever played. He's got that Gretzky quality where you don't really notice him and then you look at the scoresheet and he has three points.
 

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Crosby ALWAYS felt like an anomaly to me. A non-hockey fan watches McDavid or Ovechkin and it's clear that they're special. Crosby doesn't do that, he's just the most solid player of all time. He has crazy skill, but it's very rarely flashy skill. He just never misses a pass, can corral any puck that comes near him, is impossible to knock off his skates, and makes the right decision probably more often than anyone else who's ever played. He's got that Gretzky quality where you don't really notice him and then you look at the scoresheet and he has three points.
I don't remember who it was but somebody once called Crosby the greatest grinder of all time, and it's kind of true the way he plays.
 

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