2022 World Junior Championship has been cancelled (MOD: Stay on topic)

[llwyd]

And next year it will be another virus mutation. Will it be more fails and more restrictions? Probably.

Not likely any longer - omicron seems to be very mild and is getting to be dominant everywhere, eventually covid will turn into a variation of a seasonal flu. Omicron just came so quickly and with very little reliable data that countries re-introduced restrictions - and in Finland our hospitals really have been under pressure, so precautions were totally understandable. But with a full and proper bubble this would be totally off-topic conversation, omicron or no omicron.

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

Yeah, i'm sure the IIHF was willing to lose a ton of money to operate a bubble again.

Operating a bubble costs a ton of money, with no revenue from fans.

You think TSN gets the tv rights for free? They make money I guarantee you that.

 

[swiftwin]

Yeah, i'm sure the IIHF was willing to lose a ton of money to operate a bubble again.

Operating a bubble costs a ton of money, with no revenue from fans.

So why is it on Alberta then???

 

[bossram]

Isn't this what the critics wanted? Either "let the boys play" or just cancel the whole thing? Well, they cancelled it. There ya go.

My reaction was literally, "well, that's a bummer". I actually texted my dad that when I found out. Not going to cry about it though. It's hockey. Life goes on. Too many people here having an existential crisis over not being able to watch teenagers play hockey. Go watch your local junior team or something.

 

[bossram]

Canada shouldn't host anything with this level of amateurism.

Evidently, Hockey Canada pushed for the full bubble setup. Other countries (lmao we know who) objected.

It's not on Canada. It's an IIHF tournament and it's their rules, their protocols. There was a risk this would happen and they did not have a plan for it.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

So why is it on Alberta then???

I misunderstood your post.

I see we are agreeing.

Yeah, this isnt on Alberta.

 

[Three On Zero]

Why is this on Alberta? It's the IIHF that needs to set up the bubble for their players.

The tournament is funded by Hockey Canada and the Oilers Entertainment Group, the IIHF organizes it. Hockey Canada and OEG are the cheap ones for not supplying the proper protocols

 

[Tomas W]

Not likely any longer - omicron seems to be very mild and is getting to be dominant everywhere, eventually covid will turn into a variation of a seasonal flu. Omicron just came so quickly and with very little reliable data that countries re-introduced restrictions - and in Finland our hospitals really have been under pressure, so precautions were totally understandable. But with a full and proper bubble this would be totally off-topic conversation, omicron or no omicron.

The virus might become milder, but will the hysteria be milder? Time will tell I guess.

 

[Three On Zero]

Yeah, i'm sure the IIHF was willing to lose a ton of money to operate a bubble again.

Operating a bubble costs a ton of money, with no revenue from fans.

You mean Hockey Canada and the Oilers Entertainment Group didn’t want to lose a ton of money

 

[93LEAFS]

The virus might become milder, but will the hysteria be milder? Time will tell I guess.

Can you wait 3 weeks to see if that is accurate?

 

[Korpse]

Play the tournament in Florida or Texas... problem solved.

Just creates more problems. People aren't going to turn a blind eye towards the pandemic because of the location it is being held.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

Feel really bad for the kids. Years wasted and all of it out of their hands.

 

[Dirty Dan]

The true pandemic is climate change, we need to get used to no stadiums to battle the climate crisis

 

[llwyd]

The virus might become milder, but will the hysteria be milder? Time will tell I guess.

Well, the thing is that what the authorities have been doing all over the world is to protect the hospital and intensive care systems. For a healthy person the virus is on average rather harmless, but even then you can die or get a severe case, not to talk about old people and risk groups. Still, the main focus has been in the protection of the health care systems. Vaccinations are absolutely valuable in preventing to a large degree severe and fatal cases. In that sense I see very little hysteria (though of course the media has been rather alarmist all along). Anyway, to come back to the topic - a proper bubble would have been the best solution and I think even economically compared with this utter disaster...

 

[tsujimoto74]

If they eventually reschedule, does the US get to actually play its game (and likely run up its goal differential) against Switzerland? Or do they get to be the team that's specially f***ed by circumstances that impacted all teams.

 

[jonlin]

In the hotel Team USA and Team Sweden were accomodated there was a WEDDING PARTY arranged at the same time with hundreds of guests and oridnary ppl have been running in and out WITHOUT MASKS! WTF? Great jo Hockey Canada and IIHF!

Article on Swedish Aftonbladet:

JVM 2022: Brister i hotellbubblan där Sverige bodde (aftonbladet.se)

 

[Bounces R Way]

I'm just glad everyone escaped this harrowing ordeal with their lives intact.

 

[Hinterland]

Some heads need to roll after this one. I know that there was no omicron around when this was planned but whether you agree with Canadian health autorithies or not...everybody knows their rules are always gonna be restrictive and plans should have changed when omicron started to emerge. They tried to be cheap by not renting full hotels and by not going back to the proven bubble concept that worked twice in Edmonton before. That's a shame because the TV deals alone must be worth way more than the cost of a bubble. I just feel terribly sorry for the kids who weren't able to finish their tournament because some idiots didn't do their job and tried to save money instead.

 

[Jugitsu]

This is beyond embarrassing for IIHF and Hockey Canada. These kids miss spending Christmas with their friends and family for nothing. A huge waste of time for all parties involved all due to incompetence. Shame.

 

[HOOats]

Arent they all human beings? Is one life more important than the other just because they are old or overweight?

Ok Dr Mengela. I'm glad you are here to let us know who should be allowed to live.

WTF??? So the old, obese and immunocomprimise don't have any value? Their lives don't matter??? All lives matter and for you to say something like that is wrong and lacks compassion!

Have you all never heard of triage in emergency situations, saving the less severely wounded, women and children on lifeboats, etc? Have you never spoken to older relatives who expressed their willingness to sacrifice from their already well-lived lives so that younger generations can lead full lives? This isn't a zero-sum situation, but it's not an infinite range situation either. There are many reasons that "years from expected life" is the most valuable metric in measuring loss from the pandemic.

Yes, on a macro/societal/evolutionary level, young lives with productive/reproductive futures are more valuable than older lives. We have sacrificed a massive amount as a society to protect the vulnerable for two years now. Thank god most are now vaccinated (as am I) and largely protected. A competent society can and must have the conversation about when the negative effects of our sacrifices on society at-large become too great. We are seeing that conversation forming right now. Your either insincere or underthought moralizing will not change this.

There's a gross irony to so many advocating for near-eternal life through not living at all. Let the kids play - let the resiliency of mankind shine through the darkness to provide joy and hope to so many.

 

[93LEAFS]

Canada has seriously embarrassed both themselves and the sport of hockey over the last 2 years. Will set the sport back a decade. How can they be expected to be taken seriously and compete with other US sports leagues when they can’t even have their prospect tournament, compete in the Olympics, or even f***ing have home games going into 2022 for a few teams?

Not our fault we somehow have 1/3rd the death rate!!! How's a country get taken seriously when a broken knee means potential bankruptcy.

 

[IceHockeyDude]

I'm very disappointed and sad as a fan. Especially this time of the year when there's not much sunlight and this tournament is a bright spot in the darkness. The players and the staff must feel many times more frustrrated. I'll take a small break from this forum and focus on something else.

 

[Snauen]

I'm very disappointed and sad as a fan. Especially this time of the year when there's not much sunlight and this tournament is a bright spot in the darkness. The players and the staff must feel many times more frustrrated. I'll take a small break from this forum and focus on something else.

Maybe this has been answered in the thread already, yet;
Why did they test vaccinated 20year olds without symptoms to begin with??

 

[IceHockeyDude]

Maybe this has been answered in the thread already, yet;
Why did they test vaccinated 20year olds without symptoms to begin with??

They test everyone, vaccines give about 70-80 % immunity for the covid. Very few of them get the harsh effects. I'm vaccinated yet got it 2 weeks ago. The teams should've been in a buble, but weren't. Also they shuld not have quarentined the whole teams, just the players with positive test results.

 

[Silky Johnson]

Have you all never heard of triage in emergency situations, saving the less severely wounded, women and children on lifeboats, etc? Have you never spoken to older relatives who expressed their willingness to sacrifice from their already well-lived lives so that younger generations can lead full lives? This isn't a zero-sum situation, but it's not an infinite range situation either. There are many reasons that "years from expected life" is the most valuable metric in measuring loss from the pandemic.

Yes, on a macro/societal/evolutionary level, young lives with productive/reproductive futures are more valuable than older lives. We have sacrificed a massive amount as a society to protect the vulnerable for two years now. Thank god most are now vaccinated (as am I) and largely protected. A competent society can and must have the conversation about when the negative effects of our sacrifices on society at-large become too great. We are seeing that conversation forming right now. Your either insincere or underthought moralizing will not change this.

There's a gross irony to so many advocating for near-eternal life through not living at all. Let the kids play - let the resiliency of mankind shine through the darkness to provide joy and hope to so many.

Triage is a methodology to determine who help first with limited resources. Often the sickest and oldest would be helped first.

Coronavirus lockdowns weren't a choice between saving the vulnerable vs the young and productive. It was a choice between saving alott of people vs inconveniencing others.

I agree there is a limit and am thankful vaccines have brought us to a place where most of our lives are pretty normal again. I also think that young hockey players who are vaccinated should not be quarantined anymore.

My comment was in response to someone who was cruelly minimising the deaths of 5.4 million people because they are "old, fat and sick... "

We will never know how many lives were saves by lockdowns that stopped hospitals from being completely overrun. Imagine the increased death rate of an infection peak 4 to 5 times higher. You have to be a pretty callous prick to not ne happy we avoided that.

You have to be a complete monster to think that 5.4 million deaths, regardless of age and health is anything but a tragedy.