Blue Jays GDT: 2022 v8 | Next: Fri, Aug 12 | vs Cle | 7:00pm ET/4:00pm PT | Quantrill vs Berrios

[Cleetus]

well Vladdy wants to win lol. man we are lucky to have him in T.O

 

[Nineteen67]

How do they avoid using Kikuchi or Berrios against Baltimore?

 

[Blitzkrug]

Man screw this thread. Can't wait until the Leafs let down the whiners here since that's where the majority of posters no one has heard from until now are coming from.

Everything sucks and the Jays are the worst team since the Cleveland Spiders. There. There's your thread.

 

[CherryToke]

How do they avoid using Kikuchi or Berrios against Baltimore?

Call up Castillo

 

[Lightsol]

Man screw this thread. Can't wait until the Leafs let down the whiners here since that's where the majority of posters no one has heard from until now are coming from.

Everything sucks and the Jays are the worst team since the Cleveland Spiders. There. There's your thread.

Ummm... Most of the same suspects do EXACTLY the same thing with the Leafs, you know...

 

[Nineteen67]

The good news….the Latvia Slovak game is close…the bad news….it’s almost over.

Call up Castillo

im counting on stripling having a pain free rehab start

 

[Cloned]

Atkins is gonna be on the hot seat if they miss the playoffs.

He could’ve committed more in the offseason and then again at the deadline. Especially at the deadline when it was clear what the team needed.

A decent portion of this board knew Berrios wasn’t reliable anymore and they needed another good starter. Ditto with Springer’s injury and needing another impact bat.

Instead he went with a bunch of half measures, which while individually solid, didn’t really move the needle at all.

Have to think the players were a little disappointed by the deadline too and this has carried over a bit into their performances.

 

[canucksfan]

 

[Amadeus]

Atkins is gonna be on the hot seat if they miss the playoffs.

He could’ve committed more in the offseason and then again at the deadline. Especially at the deadline when it was clear what the team needed.

Instead he went with a bunch of half measures, which while individually solid, didn’t really move the needle at all.

Have to think the players were a little disappointed by the deadline too and this has carried over a bit into their performances.

Yeah, I'd fire him and Shapiro too if they miss but not sure they will with the renovation plans. But this team deserves an elite front office and they're too conservative for my liking.

 

[Nineteen67]

Atkins is gonna be on the hot seat if they miss the playoffs.

He could’ve committed more in the offseason and then again at the deadline. Especially at the deadline when it was clear what the team needed.

Instead he went with a bunch of half measures, which while individually solid, didn’t really move the needle at all.

I don’t think they believe they’re ready to go on a long run and the cost to get #1 or 2 pitcher , the relievers and the lh bat was too much. Ithink they set their sites on the top WC spot and two or three home gates

 

[Lahey]

Berrios is brutal

 

[Cloned]

Yeah, I'd fire him and Shapiro too if they miss but not sure they will with the renovation plans. But this team deserves an elite front office and they're too conservative for my liking.

They’ve made some solid individual moves but the jury is still out on their overall performance.

I don’t think they believe they’re ready to go on a long run and the cost to get #1 or 2 pitcher , the relievers and the lh bat was too much. Ithink they set their sites on the top WC spot and two or three home gates

I get being realistic but at some point you have to take the leap of faith with this roster, preferably before you lose cost control on guys like Teoscar.

 

[EpochLink]

Sigh….

Wow

 

[trellaine201]

Atkins is gonna be on the hot seat if they miss the playoffs.

He could’ve committed more in the offseason and then again at the deadline. Especially at the deadline when it was clear what the team needed.

A decent portion of this board knew Berrios wasn’t reliable anymore and they needed another good starter. Ditto with Springer’s injury and needing another impact bat.

Instead he went with a bunch of half measures, which while individually solid, didn’t really move the needle at all.

Have to think the players were a little disappointed by the deadline too and this has carried over a bit into their performances.

I am glad he didn’t now that looks like were off the tracks. Let someone new look at upgrading this under performing team. Usually I’m all for emptying the cupboards.

 

[Cloned]

I hate that I was right about this, but I noted there was more risk with him than at first glance. Especially after some of his starts last season. He has this annoying tendency of spinning the ball right into the natural trajectory of the bat. I know conventional wisdom is that he has nasty stuff, but every time I watch him pitch it’s difficult to come to that conclusion.

 

[Amadeus]

I am glad he didn’t now that looks like were off the tracks. Let someone new look at upgrading this under performing team. Usually I’m all for emptying the cupboards.

Anyone know when Jeff Luhnow's suspension is done?

 

[trellaine201]

Anyone know when Jeff Luhnow's suspension is done?

Oh him. I am not sure. I even looked at wikipedia. I can’t see reference to that.

 

[The Nemesis]

Call up Castillo

You think the Royals will let him pitch for the Jays?

 

[Cloned]

You think the Royals will let him pitch for the Jays?

Merrifield would probably pitch better than Berrios right now.

 

[canucksfan]

Some bad/underwhelming moves from Atkins have been Ryu signing, Berrios trade, and the Springer signing.

Ryu had a good 1.5 years but has been bad. Berrios has been awful this year. Springer has been really good when he has played but injuries have plagued him.

The overall construction of the bullpen has been subpar as well.

 

[Cloned]

I am glad he didn’t now that looks like were off the tracks. Let someone new look at upgrading this under performing team. Usually I’m all for emptying the cupboards.

If he had made other moves maybe they wouldn’t be off the tracks right now.

 

[rdogg]

Berrios is brutal

Definitely a horrible, horrible signing.

It seems like Shatkins know absolutely nothing about building a team that has good pitching

 

[Apotheosis]

Some bad/underwhelming moves from Atkins have been Ryu signing, Berrios trade, and the Springer signing.

Ryu had a good 1.5 years but has been bad. Berrios has been awful this year. Springer has been really good when he has played but injuries have plagued him.

The overall construction of the bullpen has been subpar as well.

Revisionist history. Springer was amazing last year but is oft injured. Ryu was a borderline cy young candidate early on here and has dealt with many injuries since. Berrios was fine last year but fell off the rails this year. No point in twisting history to fit a narrative. Let's see this team fully healthy before saying things like this. Atkins and Shapiro have done an expert job building a top 5 offence in baseball with a great prospect pool AND a good rotation.

 

[The Nemesis]

Definitely a horrible, horrible signing.

It seems like Shatkins know absolutely nothing about building a team that has good pitching

Not excusing Berrios' play this season because it's mostly been brutal, but you do realize that Berrios was one of the most consistently good pitchers in the AL when he was traded for, right? Like this isn't them buying a toy out of the reclamation pile and hoping it works. He was the hottest pitcher on the market at least year's deadline and came in with a rep of being consistently very good (which he continued through his 12 outings with the Jays after the trade).

His implosion this year came from nowhere. And nobody can even point to exactly what's gone wrong with him because physically he hasn't shown any obvious signs of an underlying issue. He's just.... sucked for some reason.

You can always tell when things are going bad because actual history goes out the window in favor of painting the past with the brush of the present anxiety.

 

[rdogg]

Not excusing Berrios' play this season because it's mostly been brutal, but you do realize that Berrios was one of the most consistently good pitchers in the AL when he was traded for, right? Like this isn't them buying a toy out of the reclamation pile and hoping it works. He was the hottest pitcher on the market at least year's deadline and came in with a rep of being consistently very good (which he continued through his 12 outings with the Jays after the trade).

His implosion this year came from nowhere. And nobody can even point to exactly what's gone wrong with him because physically he hasn't shown any obvious signs of an underlying issue. He's just.... sucked for some reason.

I don't care if he won multiple cy young trophies before he came here.

The fact is we signed him to a very long term and lucrative contract and he's been awful for most of the duration he's been in Toronto