2022 Training Camp Thread

[bleedgreen]

Interesting groups. Am I remiss or in past years have they typically tried to spread out the likely roster across both groups? There’s a clear “guys we think will make it” and “guys we don’t think will make it” divide here.

Drury and Noesen’s spots on C1 are very interesting. They’re the clubhouse leaders to start, I guess.

Also interesting to see of the 5 guys competing for the last 2 D spots, Lajoie seems to get the short end of the stick.

Rod has always come across as a guy who pretty much knows who he wants, and who he wants to try with who before camp even starts. Guys of course can play themselves into contention and lines will get shuffled, but the raw blueprint usually seems to be in place before day one. I’d guess he thinks camp is too short and he’s got a lot of work to do so why waste time? It’s on the guys who want to force a reordering to do so with their play from the get go.

It also allows the lower group to establish their own pecking order against each other. Call ups will likely be based on it.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Rod has always come across as a guy who pretty much knows who he wants, and who he wants to try with who before camp even starts. Guys of course can play themselves into contention and lines will get shuffled, but the raw blueprint usually seems to be in place before day one. I’d guess he thinks camp is too short and he’s got a lot of work to do so why waste time? It’s on the guys who want to force a reordering to do so with their play from the get go.

Agreed with basically everything you've said and probably every placement of guys on teams A and B except maybe Lajoie.

Lajoie being down tells me De Haan PTO is a formality and he will be signed. Only LHD left.

 

[bleedgreen]

Agreed with basically everything you've said and probably every placement of guys on teams A and B except maybe Lajoie.

Lajoie being down tells me De Haan PTO is a formality and he will be signed. Only LHD left.

The fact he’s playing with Bear says a lot imo. Despite the rough year Bear is viewed as the most experienced guy for that spot, and Rod knows what he has in CDH - just a matter of proving his health. I don’t think theres a spot open in the top six unless Bear gets traded. All these guys are fighting for the 7th spot.

 

[raynman]

Extrapolating from this tweet:

TT - Aho - Jarvis
Svech - KK - Necas
Stastny - Staal - Fast
Drury-Stepan-Noesen-Martinook-Kase

Love that top 9.


EDIT: did I just do the first lines of the season???

You are now the Carolina Hurricanes beat writer for the athletic.

 

[htdoc]

Not gonna lie... other than Marty playing over a higher end skill player, there are a ton of great pieces there to roll 3 deep line for offense and the "3rd line" checkers that play more like 2nd line minutes most nights in Staal line does still have some scoring skill on it despite losing Nino... man I'm going to miss Nino.... but we have more good players than we have spots.... and Patches coming in later as our "free" trade deadline acquisition to help the stretch and playoff run.... ..

Isn't it nice to be optomisitic on the first few days of training camp?

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

The fact he’s playing with Bear says a lot imo. Despite the rough year Bear is viewed as the most experienced guy for that spot, and Rod knows what he has in CDH - just a matter of proving his health. I don’t think theres a spot open in the top six unless Bear gets traded. All these guys are fighting for the 7th spot.

See I would've thought they'd want to see what they have in the other LHD for when De Haan "Wisniewskis" himself in Game 1.

Not gonna lie... other than Marty playing over a higher end skill player, there are a ton of great pieces there to roll 3 deep line for offense and the "3rd line" checkers that play more like 2nd line minutes most nights in Staal line does still have some scoring skill on it despite losing Nino... man I'm going to miss Nino.... but we have more good players than we have spots.... and Patches coming in later as our "free" trade deadline acquisition to help the stretch and playoff run.... ..

Isn't it nice to be optomisitic on the first few days of training camp?

We've been fortunate in our injury luck over the past few years. Having guys like Kase and Stepan and Drury on the 4th line or in the press box is a big deal. Stepan could've had a very different story to his year last year if folks would've gotten injured like you'd expect.

 

[Canes]

If that badass Raptor is Burns’ he fits in with Tripp’s pickup truck schtick.

Would not be surprised if it was given his Texas offseason lifestyle. I do know he probably doesn't own the Taycan (actually I see it's a Panamera now) next to it. But as a car guy I like and appreciate both.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Extrapolating from this tweet:

TT - Aho - Jarvis
Svech - KK - Necas
Stastny - Staal - Fast
Drury-Stepan-Noesen-Martinook-Kase

Love that top 9.


EDIT: did I just do the first lines of the season???

I like it. Drury - Stepan - Kase 4th line makes the most sense to me of those options.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Unlike Rod’s first season where we had a lot of open slots at forward for guys to grab a spot in training camp, the last couple of years we are a more veteran team without many open spots.

Aho, TT, Jarvis, Svechnikov, KK, Necas, Staal, Fast, Kase, Stastny and Martinook were always going to be on the team. Even Patches if he wasn’t injured so that’s 12. That leaves maybe 1 spot (2 with Patches on IR) for guys to grab and the team said earlier in the year that Drury and Noesen were going to get a shot. Kinda common sense the way the groups are split out.

A little more uncertainty on D, but the top 4 is already locked in so it’s 4 guys battling for the final 2-3 spots, but probably none of the young guys (Seeley, Honka, etc..) are ready.

 

[bleedgreen]

I like it. Drury - Stepan - Kase 4th line makes the most sense to me of those options.

I agree but Martinook will play. You know it.

 

[Chrispy]

I agree but Martinook will play. You know it.

Of course he will.

Which is why the real training camp question is which line Jarvis gets bumped to.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

I must’ve missed it - when did we trade David Cotton?

 

[bleedgreen]

Unlike Rod’s first season where we had a lot of open slots at forward for guys to grab a spot in training camp, the last couple of years we are a more veteran team without many open spots.

Aho, TT, Jarvis, Svechnikov, KK, Necas, Staal, Fast, Kase, Stastny and Martinook were always going to be on the team. Even Patches if he wasn’t injured so that’s 12. That leaves maybe 1 spot (2 with Patches on IR) for guys to grab and the team said earlier in the year that Drury and Noesen were going to get a shot. Kinda common sense the way the groups are split out.

A little more uncertainty on D, but the top 4 is already locked in so it’s 4 guys battling for the final 2-3 spots, but probably none of the young guys (Seeley, Honka, etc..) are ready.

I’d argue that first year the spots weren’t as open as it may have seen. I don’t think for a second Foegele did anything special or different and “rose to the top”. He’d had an awesome audition late the season before, was a very known quantity (with Rod’s favorite traits) and was as obvious for a spot on the team as Drury would be if we had open spots now. Foegele had to suck to lose his spot. We had spots from Skinner and Lindy, we knew we had Foegele and most likely Svech if he would back check. Which he did from the get go. I think Rod had a similar approach his first year, he even had Faulk solo on pp1 from the first day of cam….and I believe the pairings already had Pesce on the third pair from the get go though I may be wrong on that part.

I do completely agree though about this season, we don’t have space even if a youngster crushes it. He’s have to out score a lot of guys to have a chance a la Jarvis.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I'm choosing inner peace this year and I'm going to try not to get especially mad at Martinook playing. At the end of the day this is going to be a very fluid roster given we have 3 guys who may simply fall apart (Pacioretty, De Haan, Kase, one of these guy already did), another few in their 30s who don't have the reputation for injuries but age could still come for them (Staal, Stastny, Burns, Stepan), and the perfectly reasonable chance that any of our other players could get hurt at any given time because it's the NHL. I'm fairly confident all of these guys are going to get their chance to show out.

 

[ONO94]

I agree but Martinook will play. You know it.

Maybe Dronov can play the part of Brad Malone and do us a solid?

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I must’ve missed it - when did we trade David Cotton?

Didn't renew his contract - signed with Seattle as a FA.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Didn't renew his contract - signed with Seattle as a FA.

Ahh, didn’t realize he was an fa. Thanks for the explanation. For as long as we waited for him he didn’t amount to much.

 

[MadeUpName]

Any combo of Drury + Kase + Stepan/Martinook/Noesen is also one of the best 4th lines in the league. Deep lineup.

 

[A Star is Burns]

My hot take is people should get over being so negative about Martinook all the time. If that's the worst thing we typically have going on this team, that's why we're so damn good.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

My hot take is people should get over being so negative about Martinook all the time. If that's the worst thing we typically have going on this team, that's why we're so damn good.

agree, we should only be negative about him when Roddy's got him playing with Aho as that combo has flat out never had success regardless of who's on the other wing

 

[Chrispy]

agree, we should only be negative about him when Roddy's got him playing with Aho as that combo has flat out never had success regardless of who's on the other wing

That or playing him at center.

As a 4th line wing occasionally playing 3rd line, I'm fine with him.
I was also fine with Chad LaRose as a 4th line wing occasionally playing 3rd line.

 

[Daeavorn]

Marty is fine, he will probably get injured at some point them go in and out of the lineup.

 

[cptjeff]

If that badass Raptor is Burns’ he fits in with Tripp’s pickup truck schtick.

The guy literally lives on a ranch in Texas. I mean, is there any doubt?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I’d argue that first year the spots weren’t as open as it may have seen. I don’t think for a second Foegele did anything special or different and “rose to the top”. He’d had an awesome audition late the season before, was a very known quantity (with Rod’s favorite traits) and was as obvious for a spot on the team as Drury would be if we had open spots now. Foegele had to suck to lose his spot. We had spots from Skinner and Lindy, we knew we had Foegele and most likely Svech if he would back check. Which he did from the get go. I think Rod had a similar approach his first year, he even had Faulk solo on pp1 from the first day of cam….and I believe the pairings already had Pesce on the third pair from the get go though I may be wrong on that part.

I disagree with your argument, particularly once Rask injured his hand. Our opening night line-up had 5 rookies at forward: Svech (who we knew would make it), Foegele (who impressed both in his 2 games and in camp), Wallmark (Rask injury), Necas, and Zykov.

2 of the 5 didn't stick.

There were 3-4 spots to be had in key roles that year.

I do completely agree though about this season, we don’t have space even if a youngster crushes it. He’s have to out score a lot of guys to have a chance a la Jarvis.

Yep. I don't see it happening. they'd have to really crush it to beat out our top 6, and then they'd have to be trusted on both sides of the rink to beat out the bottom 6.

Rees might have had a shot in a McGinn type role if not for already having enough/too many guys in the bottom 6.

 

[Svechhammer]

I like it. Drury - Stepan - Kase 4th line makes the most sense to me of those options.

YUP. Man that would be one high energy line that has a surprising amount of offensive pop

I agree but Martinook will play. You know it.

*sigh*..... yeah, that's true


As an aside, I love the possibility of

Jarvis-Aho-Turbo
Svech-KK-Necas

I really liked what I saw out of KK's game last year and I really honestly think putting him on a line with some scoring talent is really going to see him break out. I think he's going to fit what we want to do very well and we're going to look back at the worries about him much in the same way we look back on everyone doubting Aho being able to play 1C for us.

If Necas regains his form, and I understand that can be a big if, that's a seriously deep top 6. And that's even before you consider someone is going to have to move down when Patches comes back in Feb. If things go to plan, this is the deepest roster we've ever had, and one that is prepared to win a Cup this year. We even have our deadline reinforcement already in the fold (Patches)