Prospect Info: 2022 Post-Deadline Devils-Centric Mock Draft 2.0 (thru NJ 2nd round)

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I agree Arizona would take Cooley at #2, but I think either Montreal or Seattle take Slafkovsky #2. The Devils at #2 would likely take Slafkovsky or Jiricek in my opinion.
Montreal with the winger at 2, huh?

That would seem like an organizational thing more than a need, because Suzuki as a 2C would be tremendous. If this Cooley kid is a true center and not just your usual winger-ajace, thatd be tough for me to pass up on as a Montreal fan
 

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Montreal with the winger at 2, huh?

That would seem like an organizational thing more than a need, because Suzuki as a 2C would be tremendous. If this Cooley kid is a true center and not just your usual winger-ajace, thatd be tough for me to pass up on as a Montreal fan

Yeah I think both Montreal and Seattle should be taking Cooley if they can. Beniers/Suzuki and Cooley would be great
 

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And although my memory is fuzzy, when was Montreal's last big name center. I dont think Pacioretty ever player center, did he? I remember Plekanec and he was a really good player, but I dont remember him as being that bug 1C teams want.

Im probably forgetting a big name but get the feeling that, since thats the case, Im guessing theyve been center starved for a while now. At least since I started paying close attention in 2008
 
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Montreal with the winger at 2, huh?

That would seem like an organizational thing more than a need, because Suzuki as a 2C would be tremendous. If this Cooley kid is a true center and not just your usual winger-ajace, thatd be tough for me to pass up on as a Montreal fan
Slafkovsky is a rarer player than Cooley, which works in his favor. But Cooley is a center -- and top centers are most exclusively found at the top of the draft -- which works in his favor. They're both great prospects for Montreal or Seattle. Arizona would be daft to pass on a center, as they are bereft at that position all throughout the organization -- Cooley would be their likely call at #2.

The Devils are the one team which I feel would not even consider Cooley at #2 -- the decision would be Slafkovsky or Jiricek, and either argument is a good one.
 
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And although my memory is fuzzy, when was Montreal's last big name center. I dont think Pacioretty ever player center, did he? I remember Plekanec and he was a really good player, but I dont remember him as being that bug 1C teams want.

Im probably forgetting a big name but get the feeling that, since thats the case, Im guessing theyve been center starved for a while now. At least since I started paying close attention in 2008

Koivu?
 
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And although my memory is fuzzy, when was Montreal's last big name center. I dont think Pacioretty ever player center, did he? I remember Plekanec and he was a really good player, but I dont remember him as being that bug 1C teams want.

Im probably forgetting a big name but get the feeling that, since thats the case, Im guessing theyve been center starved for a while now. At least since I started paying close attention in 2008
Suzuki is probably a #1 center right now. He's a heck of a player. I'd say Suzuki and Cooley have similar overall upside. Wright of course has greater upside than either of them.
 

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You know what, I definitely remember Koivu since I did watch somewhat before 2008, just sparingly though and mainly Devils games.

Googling his stats though and I see he left Montreal the year after I started really diving into the whole NHL, so thatd explain why I missed such an obvious name when one thinks Montreal in the 2000's
 
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Here's a mini-mock for 4/9, which I'll gladly explain.

1 ARI C Wright
2 MTL LW Slafkovsky
3 SEA C Cooley
4 NJ RD Jiricek
5 PHI RD Nemec
6 OTT C Geekie
7 CLB RW Nazar
8 BUF RW Lambert
9 DET LW Gauthier
10 ANH RW Kemell
11 SJ C Savoie
12 CLB C McGroarty
13 WPG RD Chesley
14 NYI LW Yurov
15 VAN C Kasper
 
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I did actually see a Montreal game live in Montreal around 2006, so I probably should have known that. Though I was young.

Only thing I really remember about that trip was the cardboard hat that I got from the Senators game; oh and that it was a bus ride to the middle of nowhere to get to the arena lol
 

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Here's a mini-mock for 4/9, which I'll gladly explain.

1 ARI C Wright
2 MTL LW Slafkovsky
3 SEA C Cooley
4 NJ RD Jiricek
5 PHI RD Nemec
6 OTT C Geekie
7 CLB RW Nazar
8 BUF RW Lambert
9 DET LW Gauthier
10 ANH RW Kemell
11 SJ C Savoie
12 CLB C McGroarty
13 WPG RD Chesley
14 NYI LW Yurov
15 VAN C Kasper
Ottawa taking a center is a good one IMO, but a friend of mine seems to think Stuetzle is a permanent center for them; in which case Stuetzle/Norris is a good enough core for me down the middle to take a high-end scorer, which I think they lack.

Norris' sh% is a bit high for me to consider him a high-end scorer quite yet; id like to see him hit 35 again next season at around 15-16% over a full season, and props to him if he can keep it above 17%
 

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Jiricek or Slafkovsky over Cooley is not even an argument, and we can likely throw Nemec in that mix as well. The Devils are not using a top 5 pick on a player who would project to be their third-line center. If we're talking "best available player" -- which is a perfectly legitimate argument -- these four can be arranged in multiple orders depending on who you talk to. Personally, I rank Cooley 3rd or 4th out of the 4 right now, but that's not my argument either because it's pretty close between them.

The argument would be based in the concept of "team building vision". The Devils are absolutely desperate at RD and absolutely desperate for a power forward to create room for their smaller skill guys, and you'd be passing on both for a center who is positionally redundant to Hughes and Hischier and stylistically redundant to Hughes and Bratt.

If Cooley were the straw that drove the US-NTDP, I'd still say okay, you have a point. But I'm not sure he's better than Nazar.

This is from Elite Prospects, and I'm not saying whether they're right or wrong, but it's an interesting comparison:

Frank Nazar III, C, USNTDP U18s – From No. 10 to 4

The two top-5 debutants, Frank Nazar and Logan Cooley, flip their placement on the ranking. Now, Nazar is ahead one spot ahead.

A dynamic, explosive attacker with an unrelenting inside-driven style, Nazar brings a unique skill set to this draft. He doesn't just overwhelm defenders with pace, he misdirects them with deceptive handling, crossovers, and eyes, and then explodes to the inside. His improvements as a decision-maker – deking less, passing more – and his application of manipulation skills to quick-possession plays earned him the fourth rank on the board.

Considering his natural explosiveness, we anticipate his skating to accelerate ahead of the curve as his mechanics improve.

Logan Cooley, C, USNTDP U18s – From No. 9 to 5

Cooley is more in the Shane Wright mould. He's best when making quick, short-to-medium range plays that put himself in the middle of every play. As the season's wore on, he's started experimenting with a style that leans heavier on individual skill and flash. Concerns of sustainability aside, learning what works and what doesn't only bode well for his future.

Essentially, Nazar's and Cooley's games are converging after being strikingly different to the start year, and that's to the benefit of both. For this exercise, we deemed Nazar's ultimate upside to be higher, but there's a sound argument for the other way around. Keep an eye on this ranking moving forward.


Now, ultimately I don't have a problem with Cooley as a player -- as I've stated at length, I really like him. His skating is explosive and his skill is high-end. But he's a perimeter forward if anything, and the name of his game is flash-and-dash. For the Devils, Nazar would clearly make more sense out of the two, as he's just as skilled -- if not moreso -- and plays a more interior style.

Again, Cooley is a great player and he's going high in the 2022 draft. Along with Lambert, he's the best skater in the entire class. But at some point, team building involves acquiring different types of players to handle different roles, and Cooley's role would be "center who is not as good as Hughes or Hischier" or "skill/speed forward who is not as good as Hughes or Bratt". Yes, maybe he develops into a player as good as Hischier or Bratt, though he has no hope of rivaling Hughes' talent. But the Devils have no Jiricek anywhere in the organization, they have no Nemec anywhere in the organization, and there might not be a Slafkovsky in the entire NHL.

Though I hate arguing against players I'm high on, I don't foresee Cooley being even top 5 on the Devils draft board come June. He's an exciting prospect, but he will wind up somewhere else. I can see him as a target for a center-starved team like Arizona, Montreal, Philadelphia, Columbus, etc.

*whispers* He’s not better than Nazar. He’s not even bigger than him.

This is more about me being pro-Nazar though, I just like him a ton. Cooley could turn out great, but I don’t have a lot of interest in him so another team can enjoy his future self.
 
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Ottawa taking a center is a good one IMO, but a friend of mine seems to think Stuetzle is a permanent center for them; in which case Stuetzle/Norris is a good enough core for me down the middle to take a high-end scorer, which I think they lack.

Norris' sh% is a bit high for me to consider him a high-end scorer quite yet; id like to see him hit 35 again next season at around 15-16% over a full season, and props to him if he can keep it above 17%
Ottawa is the easiest team to mock draft for in the NHL. They only look seriously at specific types of players. Geekie is a 6'4 center from Canada, that's enough to put him ahead in their rankings of 5'11 Cooley or 5'11 Nazar or 5'11 Kemell or even 5'9 Savoie, who is clearly the superior player on the same Winnipeg team Geekie plays for. When mock drafting, we have to use precedent over our own opinions.

Geekie would not qualify as a surprise pick for Ottawa, it's a conservative estimation. If Ottawa surprises at the draft, expect it to be something like a pick in the top 10 of a Nathan Gaucher or Rutger McGroarty or Owen Pickering or Maveric Lamoureux. Although we can say "that's ridiculous", any of these picks would still be more sensible than Tyler Boucher at #10 overall last year.
 
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*whispers* He’s not better than Nazar. He’s not even bigger than him.

This is more about me being pro-Nazar though, I just like him a ton. Cooley could turn out great, but I don’t have a lot of interest in him so another team can enjoy his future self.
I hate to give all this away, but my new rankings have Nazar ahead of Cooley. So yes, I agree with you. I would add I think both player will be great NHLers, and it's pretty close.
 

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Ottawa is the easiest team to mock draft for in the NHL. They only look seriously at specific types of players. Geekie is a 6'4 center from Canada, that's enough to put him ahead in their rankings of 5'11 Cooley or 5'11 Nazar or 5'11 Kemell or even 5'9 Savoie, who is clearly the superior player on the same Winnipeg team Geekie plays for. When mock drafting, we have to use precedent over our own opinions.

Geekie would not qualify as a surprise pick for Ottawa, it's a conservative estimation. If Ottawa surprises at the draft, expect it to be something like a pick in the top 10 of a Nathan Gaucher or Rutger McGroarty or Owen Pickering or Maveric Lamoureux. Although we can say "that's ridiculous", any of these picks would still be more sensible than Tyler Boucher at #10 overall last year.

I wonder if last years f***up on Boucher influences them in anyway or they continue to double down.
 
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Ottawa is the easiest team to mock draft for in the NHL. They only look seriously at specific types of players. Geekie is a 6'4 center from Canada, that's enough to put him ahead in their rankings of 5'11 Cooley or 5'11 Nazar or 5'11 Kemell or even 5'9 Savoie, who is clearly the superior player on the same Winnipeg team Geekie plays for. When mock drafting, we have to use precedent over our own opinions.

Geekie would not qualify as a surprise pick for Ottawa, it's a conservative estimation. If Ottawa surprises at the draft, expect it to be something like a pick in the top 10 of a Nathan Gaucher or Rutger McGroarty or Owen Pickering or Maveric Lamoureux. Although we can say "that's ridiculous", any of these picks would still be more sensible than Tyler Boucher at #10 overall last year.
Those are some tendencies id still picking up on, I just lump them all into an 'organizational' category; seems Washington and Winnipeg love bigger players too or at least by looking at the team they have had the last half decade lol

Is it possible that changes with the unfortunate passing of their owner, Eugene Melnyk? Or would it require a domino affect and the GM in Dorion being let go? Im not sure how much influence Melnyk had over the hockey operations, I just know he had a bit of a tight pocket at times (which I dont like saying after someone has passed, feels weird)
 

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I wonder if last years f***up on Boucher influences them in anyway or they continue to double down.
I think you'll agree with me that Ottawa's management are a bunch of crotchety old-school hockey guys with receding hairlines and expanding waistlines who don't give a f**k about what anyone else thinks.
 
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I think you'll agree with me that Ottawa's management are a bunch of crotchety old-school hockey guys with receding hairlines and expanding waistlines who don't give a f**k about what anyone else thinks.

What we think? No. Internally though I wonder if there’s any self reflection consider how bad Boucher’s been. I mean he’s even been worse than Stillman. I also wouldn’t be surprised if the old f***s are beyond set in their ways and double down
 

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What we think? No. Internally though I wonder if there’s any self reflection consider how bad Boucher’s been. I mean he’s even been worse than Stillman. I also wouldn’t be surprised if the old f***s are beyond set in their ways and double down
Stillman is a different argument, as he has more goal-scoring ability than Boucher but is not as tough. Again, like Stillman or not, he goes ahead of several 2021 1st rounders in a re-draft: Boucher, Olausson, Mailloux, Dean, Allen. Was he the best possible pick? No. Should we have traded down? Yes. But better having a good, high-floor bet for a bottom 6 physical forward in Stillman than Boucher or an Olausson, who has similar scoring ability as Stillman but lacks the interior game.
 

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Stillman is a different argument, as he has more goal-scoring ability than Boucher but is not as tough. Again, like Stillman or not, he goes ahead of several 2021 1st rounders in a re-draft: Boucher, Olausson, Mailloux, Dean, Allen. Was he the best possible pick? No. Should we have traded down? Yes. But better having a good, high-floor bet for a bottom 6 physical forward in Stillman than Boucher or an Olausson, who has similar scoring ability as Stillman but lacks the interior game.

It was undeniably a bad pick at 29. Now imagine making that pick at 10. That itself would be awful. Now imagine it's with a player that is even worse than Stillman. For most people that would warrant self reflection. It's also entirely possible and maybe even likely that they're just old f***s who are set in their ways and will make another dumb move
 

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It was undeniably a bad pick at 29. Now imagine making that pick at 10. That itself would be awful. Now imagine it's with a player that is even worse than Stillman. For most people that would warrant self reflection. It's also entirely possible and maybe even likely that they're just old f***s who are set in their ways and will make another dumb move
At #29, there was no surefire 1st line talent or 1st pairing D available, although there were myriad better picks.

At #10? Sillinger, Lucius, Svechkov, Wallstedt -- the pick was inexcusable. Ottawa could have traded down 10 spots and Boucher would have been there.

Stillman is not a player who is "bad" and Boucher is not a player who is "worse". They're both physical, bottom 6 forwards. They're going to be NHLers, but they are the type of players you look for in later rounds, not the 1st round.

The biggest failure of the Ottawa pick which no one talks about is the fact that Zachary L'Heureux was on the board. L'Heureux is even more physical than Boucher and has 1st-line scoring type upside. If you wanted to reach for a power LW at #10, why not L'Heureux, who can score 30+ goals in the NHL someday? Just baffling.
 
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The Devils win today was inspiring, but also hurt their draft chances. Right now, the Devils still picked 4th but there is a scary possibility to move down to 7th. Devils have 56 points in 72 games, Philly just one point behind with 57, Ottawa just 2 points back with 58 but with a game in hand. Chicago is suddenly a threat as well after dropping 6 straight, they're currently 7th with 59 points in 71 games, and you also don't want to fall behind them because their first rounder also goes inside the division to Columbus.

The worst case scenario remains of course Philadelphia, which has the same need/want for RD as NJ and also covets player types such as likely Devils target David Jiricek. So, unfortunately, we must root for Philly the rest of the way. You really don't want a guy like Jiricek playing against you for a division rival, he's an absolute beast.
 

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The Devils win today was inspiring, but also hurt their draft chances. Right now, the Devils still picked 4th but there is a scary possibility to move down to 7th. Devils have 56 points in 72 games, Philly just one point behind with 57, Ottawa just 2 points back with 58 but with a game in hand. Chicago is suddenly a threat as well after dropping 6 straight, they're currently 7th with 59 points in 71 games, and you also don't want to fall behind them because their first rounder also goes inside the division to Columbus.

The worst case scenario remains of course Philadelphia, which has the same need/want for RD as NJ and also covets player types such as likely Devils target David Jiricek. So, unfortunately, we must root for Philly the rest of the way. You really don't want a guy like Jiricek playing against you for a division rival, he's an absolute beast.

I don’t think it’ll matter because unless Daws goes on a run again we’re not winning many going forward. Personally I’m hoping to stay at 4th worst or drop to 3rd worst but I don’t really want to drop further and I don’t want to jump higher. I think that gives us the best chance at Jiricek with Slafkovsky already being off the board since the most likely pick for us would be 4th or 5th.
 
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I don’t think it’ll matter because unless Daws goes on a run again we’re not winning many going forward. Personally I’m hoping to stay at 4th worst or drop to 3rd worst but I don’t really want to drop further and I don’t want to jump higher. I think that gives us the best chance at Jiricek with Slafkovsky already being off the board since the most likely pick for us would be 4th or 5th.
It's a very volatile draft year. Wright is the #1 pick unless the Devils win the lottery, in which case a lot could happen, including a rare 1st-overall-trade.

I think we can say with some confidence Slafkovsky goes top 3.

After that? It's wide open. Cooley can go 2nd overall, but could also drop out of the top 5. Jiricek and Nemec can both go anywhere from #2-#7, although as RD you'd have to think the percentages will have them go in the top 5.

But a team can fall in love with one of the other prospects who aren't being talked about as much. Lambert would -- to me-- be a catastrophic mistake in the top 3, but his skating and puck skills are tops in the draft and a team could take him as high as #2. Kemell has this year's Holtz appeal as top pure sniper, and this makes him a candidate to go as high as #3... but he could also conceivably fall out of the top 10 overall. We also know teams which covet size (like Ottawa) aren't taking Savoie in the top 10, but it's also not insignificant that, right now, he's probably the best offensive player in the entire class. Nazar is a terrific player who is easy to fall in love with as well, and I've seen him with rankings as high as #4 overall.

Of course, we can guesstimate all day about Danila Yurov. Is he a top 7 pick on basis of hockey ability? Sure, but the New Russian Factor (NeRF, as I've been calling it) could drop him to the #20 overall range.

Geekie is not a top 10 pick in my book, but he probably would be to Ottawa or Anaheim and perhaps Columbus. Gauthier is not a top 10 pick to some, but he is to me and anyone who ups the value of Tkachuk-type power forwards.

So, as someone who thinks far too much about these sorts of things, I'd say that the likely top 5 is Wright first and then Slafkovsky/Cooley/Jiricek/Nemec in some order which can go in any direction. The only one of those players who I would call a top 3 lock, however, is Slafkovsky. And of course, I'm also accounting for the possibility that a Lambert or Kemell or Savoie or Gauthier or Geekie can sneak in and break up that grouping.

If I had a couple more wild cards to name, they would probably be Mintyukov and Chesley. Mintyukov is the best puck-moving D aside from Nemec in the draft, and he's also the top LD in the 2022 class. Meanwhile, Chesley is the best defensive D in the draft, he's physical, has a bomb of a shot and is a righty, which could vault him up too. Either of these two could conceivably sneak into the top 7.
 

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