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Demidov is a HAB
I'd be surprised. Foot speed issues doesn't sound like the profile for the Habs.
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I'm starting to wonder if Cooley and Geekie are ranked higher than they should because the draft is center starved. Especially since Savoie was moved to wing. For example, there is a debate about "who is better: Cooley and Nazar?", but very few lists have Nazar in the top 10 from what I've seen. The NA central scouting has Nazar 17th, but Cooley is #2.
This year draft seems similar to the 2018 draft to me: a wings and D draft with the centers being overvalued because of their positions.
This year draft seems similar to the 2018 draft to me: a wings and D draft with the centers being overvalued because of their positions.
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
Nazar will get a bump in the final rankings. It took awhile for the scouting community to see what many of us saw earlier.
Cooley is not getting buoyed by being a center. He's very very good.
Kudo Shinichi
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Wright the clear-cut top choice in McKenzie's first 2022 Draft Ranking
Bob had Cooley ranked 6th in his list in September.
Cooley has had a good season and 4 of the 5 players ahead of him have had a disappointing season: Miro, Lambert, Geekie, and Slaf (pre-olympic).
That was a season of hockey ago? Go look at any draft and the list changes dramatically as they go through the season
2019 as an example
Hughes leads the pack in TSN Hockey's pre-season draft ranking
Rasmus Dahlin, Auston Matthews and Connor McDavid went No. 1 wire-to-wire in their draft years, and there’s no doubt who is the top prize in what 10 out of 10 scouts surveyed call the ‘Jack Hughes Draft.’
www.tsn.ca
1. Hughes
2. Cozens
3. Kakko
4. podkolzin
5. Dach
end of season
1. Hughes
2. Kakko
3. Byram
4. Turcotte
5. Dach
1000eeer
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The first 5 players off the board are already known at this point in time (IMO):
Wright
Slafkovsky
Nemec
Cooley
Jiricek
Not necessarily in that order..
We should be able to have on of those players, which is great
Otherwise, my choice would be Nazar
Wright
Slafkovsky
Nemec
Cooley
Jiricek
Not necessarily in that order..
We should be able to have on of those players, which is great
Otherwise, my choice would be Nazar
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1 - Shane Wright.
2 - Logan Cooley.
3 - Juraj Slafkovsky.
4 - Simon Nemec.
5 - Frank Nazar.
6 - David Jiricek.
7 - Matthew Savoie.
That's it, that's all.
In my mind it's no Kemell, no Lambert, NO Geekie, no Yurov with that high pick. Habs need to select between these 7 players.
2 - Logan Cooley.
3 - Juraj Slafkovsky.
4 - Simon Nemec.
5 - Frank Nazar.
6 - David Jiricek.
7 - Matthew Savoie.
That's it, that's all.
In my mind it's no Kemell, no Lambert, NO Geekie, no Yurov with that high pick. Habs need to select between these 7 players.
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
This is the way. The order will be dependent on person but I agree that should be the consensus top 7.
The other thing to remember too is someone always surprises inside of the top 10, a team may take a huge swing on someone that comes out of nowhere
I'm not sure about Nazar getting a bump in the final rankings, from what I've been reading online (old scouting reports) he was considered better than Cooley until this (mid-)season, but the scouts decided he's been stagnating this year. I'm not sure what the scouts were expecting Nazar to do this season to come to that conclusion...
and I'm not saying Cooley isn't good. I'm saying he's not actually clear cut better than the rest of the top 10 and his almost consensus #2 rank is mostly the result of him being a center.
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WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
It's not. NHL CSS debated Cooley over Wright in their mid term rankings. In Bob's mid season, Cooley had 1st place votes.
He's just really good.
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Again, I agree if the defenseman is the BPA take the Defenseman, if the center is take the center, if it's the winger take the winger. Just dont take the Defenseman because there is better centers next year.
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Wright, nemec, cooley. Are the top 3. Rare the best canadian, american and the best dman playing already against Man with good production flop. Followed by (4 to 6)jiricek, slafkovsky (both homerun). And Savoie…. 7-8.., mintyukov, geekie.. Maybe few players chosen after cooley and nemec will become more dominant at the end, but both are safer bet at the moment imo
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Slaf with Suzuki & Caufield intrigues me. That might be a very good top line, very good.
I am also ok with Wright, or Cooley, maybe even Nemec. I am torn between the big skilled winger & a top 6 center, tbh. Not really wanting the dman, but if that what they want, then I will hope it is for the best.
I am also ok with Wright, or Cooley, maybe even Nemec. I am torn between the big skilled winger & a top 6 center, tbh. Not really wanting the dman, but if that what they want, then I will hope it is for the best.
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Slaf ends up getting an assist later, nice cut back in the corner, finds a guy.
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80 & 81.
Took Doug Wickenheiser 1st overall in 1980 then Mark Hunter 7th overall in 1981.
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There's still a lot to be decided regarding this draft class. I'm still focused on the end of the regular season and the playoffs and then the draft lottery. By that time things will start to come into focus.
Thank you to all who have contributed to this thread. This is a crucial draft for the Habs and it’s great to read up on all the interesting prospects. There is a good amount of talent to choose from early on, but a lot of uncertainty in the ranking of the players. I’ve read you all and seen a good bit of footage. There is no debate for me as who we should pick 1st overall: it’s Wright. I’d even consider trading our second first rounder to move up and make sure we get him.
The goal is to win the cup. Teams that are strong at center are at the very least competitive. It’s no secret. My grandmother knows this and she doesn’t know what hockey is. She’s also dead. 30 some years we’ve been failing at icing a good center line. I’m tired of this crap. In that time frame we’ve had all the other ingredients, a fantastic goalie (Price), terrific defensemen (Markov, Subban/Weber, Petry), some very good wingers (Kovalev, Cammalleri, Gionta, Pacioretty…), solid depth; but the best combos at center have been broken Koivu/Plekanec, Plekanec/prime Desharnais (snicker) or young Suzuki/Danault last year. And look at that, those teams performed decently in the playoffs. I compare the Habs to other teams now, we’re still bottom ten in the league at center both at pro level and in terms of organizational depth.
Wright is the classic center. Elite IQ, highly skilled, attention to detail, good at scoring but better at making his linemates shine. Just a great team player and a coach’s dream. He has the highest floor. He’ll be at worst Nick Suzuki, at best Joe Sakic. Habs cannot afford a project here. We need to get it right and get Wright. Imagine, for 40 minutes a game we’d have either Suzuki or Suzuki + on the ice for the next 10 years! This needs to happen. Of course, one more good player doesn’t turn this mediocre team into a champion. We’ll need other pieces. But fixing the center issue once and for all makes it easier to build the rest of the team. And that part we’ve been pretty decent at. If we pick a winger or a defenseman, we’re left hoping that Kidney is the one to fix the center issue. Or that we win the lottery next year. Or that we trade for or sign a top center. That is either very hopeful or difficult and expensive (money, assets). Wingers are easier to get via trade or free agency. Especially when you have 2 classic centers to help attract them. Suzuki and Wright are the type of centers all wingers want to play with. Responsible, efficient, generous with the puck. You get open they’ll find you. They’ll play a decent enough 2 way game and make the right decisions most of the time, so that as a winger you can focus on offense. I guarantee if the Habs get Wright, whenever good wingers will be available down the road they’ll salivate at the thought of playing with either of these two. Not to mention the more talented wingers we draft and groom (Roy, Farrell etc.) will likely look better next to them. Suzuki/Wright are also the types to be durable while playing tonnes of minutes. Notice how Suzuki never misses games and rarely puts himself in a position to get injured. Wright is that type of player too. It’s not the main argument, and of course freak accidents happen, but durability is something to consider when making such an important decision and building a championship level squad.
This is who I want:
- Wright
- Cooley
- Nemec
- Slafkovsky
- Jiricek
- Nazar
- Savoie
I don’t want anyone else with our 1st pick.
I have Cooley second because he’s comparable to the others but plays center. Nemec is the equivalent of Wright on defence, in the sense that his floor is very high and plays a great team game. He’s pretty much a lock to be at least a number 2 D. Slaf and Jiricek have enormous upside, so much that either might turn out to be the best player of this class, but they feel a bit raw in comparison. We’ve got so many holes, we need a sure thing here.
The goal is to win the cup. Teams that are strong at center are at the very least competitive. It’s no secret. My grandmother knows this and she doesn’t know what hockey is. She’s also dead. 30 some years we’ve been failing at icing a good center line. I’m tired of this crap. In that time frame we’ve had all the other ingredients, a fantastic goalie (Price), terrific defensemen (Markov, Subban/Weber, Petry), some very good wingers (Kovalev, Cammalleri, Gionta, Pacioretty…), solid depth; but the best combos at center have been broken Koivu/Plekanec, Plekanec/prime Desharnais (snicker) or young Suzuki/Danault last year. And look at that, those teams performed decently in the playoffs. I compare the Habs to other teams now, we’re still bottom ten in the league at center both at pro level and in terms of organizational depth.
Wright is the classic center. Elite IQ, highly skilled, attention to detail, good at scoring but better at making his linemates shine. Just a great team player and a coach’s dream. He has the highest floor. He’ll be at worst Nick Suzuki, at best Joe Sakic. Habs cannot afford a project here. We need to get it right and get Wright. Imagine, for 40 minutes a game we’d have either Suzuki or Suzuki + on the ice for the next 10 years! This needs to happen. Of course, one more good player doesn’t turn this mediocre team into a champion. We’ll need other pieces. But fixing the center issue once and for all makes it easier to build the rest of the team. And that part we’ve been pretty decent at. If we pick a winger or a defenseman, we’re left hoping that Kidney is the one to fix the center issue. Or that we win the lottery next year. Or that we trade for or sign a top center. That is either very hopeful or difficult and expensive (money, assets). Wingers are easier to get via trade or free agency. Especially when you have 2 classic centers to help attract them. Suzuki and Wright are the type of centers all wingers want to play with. Responsible, efficient, generous with the puck. You get open they’ll find you. They’ll play a decent enough 2 way game and make the right decisions most of the time, so that as a winger you can focus on offense. I guarantee if the Habs get Wright, whenever good wingers will be available down the road they’ll salivate at the thought of playing with either of these two. Not to mention the more talented wingers we draft and groom (Roy, Farrell etc.) will likely look better next to them. Suzuki/Wright are also the types to be durable while playing tonnes of minutes. Notice how Suzuki never misses games and rarely puts himself in a position to get injured. Wright is that type of player too. It’s not the main argument, and of course freak accidents happen, but durability is something to consider when making such an important decision and building a championship level squad.
This is who I want:
- Wright
- Cooley
- Nemec
- Slafkovsky
- Jiricek
- Nazar
- Savoie
I don’t want anyone else with our 1st pick.
I have Cooley second because he’s comparable to the others but plays center. Nemec is the equivalent of Wright on defence, in the sense that his floor is very high and plays a great team game. He’s pretty much a lock to be at least a number 2 D. Slaf and Jiricek have enormous upside, so much that either might turn out to be the best player of this class, but they feel a bit raw in comparison. We’ve got so many holes, we need a sure thing here.
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The top 5 in this draft (Wright, Cooley, Slaf, Nemec and Jiricek) make me feel a lot better and excited than I did in 2012 and 2018. They don’t have the glaring weaknesses/limits the top of those drafts had as a whole (minus the top 2 in 2018 obviously). This was exacerbated even more by the Habs taking the two players with the biggest question marks at the time.
For instance, Nemec and Jiricek have bigger upside than Ryan Murray ever did. Cooley and Slaf at this point are just better players than KK/Tkachuk/Hayton were at the same time of their drafts.
For instance, Nemec and Jiricek have bigger upside than Ryan Murray ever did. Cooley and Slaf at this point are just better players than KK/Tkachuk/Hayton were at the same time of their drafts.
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