NHL Entry Draft 2022 NHL Draft Thread - Part 2

[Icelevel]

It only makes sense to be excited and talk about how a prospect is doing well when he is, same as when they are doing very bad. We are in a thread where a player being discussed had an extremely, extremely disappointing season after being an extremely large reach, it only makes sense that the general sentiment is negative regarding the selection at the moment.

There are no people discussing how bad the Stutzle, Sanderson, Grieg picks are because they are all doing well. The exact opposite, everyone is extremely excited and discussing how well they are doing and project.

There isn't an over arching thought that people are hoping the Sens fail; it's just that at this moment, the pick looks extremely bad and that's the outlook most have on it. Perfectly fine to disagree with that and hope, but I certainly won't get behind the reasons being given that we just need to wait for a switch to flip.

I'll be more than happy to jump sides when/if the pick starts to look good, right now with everything I've seen over the past year, I'm not pleased to put it lightly. Last thing I want is for the Sens to have misused a 10th overall selection.

It was not “extremely extremely disappointing”. He played well and IS progressing. Working on different parts of his game, he just needs to continue and finish it off with some offence, which WILL come.
So yeah, chill the f$&@ out people.

 

[BondraTime]

It was not “extremely extremely disappointing”. He played well and IS progressing. Working on different parts of his game, he just needs to continue and finish it off with some offence, which WILL come.
So yeah, chill the f$&@ out people.

What parts of his game did he work on this year? That’s just a buzz phrase with no substance or evidence form the games whatsoever.

The aspect he needed to work on was his offence, and that never happened. We know he can skate and hit, that’s nothing new.

 

[Icelevel]

What parts of his game did he work on this year? That’s just a buzz phrase with no substance or evidence form the games whatsoever.

You tell me. Compare the games you watched at the beginning of the year to the last few of the ohl season into the playoffs.

 

[BondraTime]

You tell me. Compare the games you watched at the beginning of the year to the last few of the ohl season into the playoffs.

Ok, usually the one making the statements would have to explain their stance, but all good

Pre/post draft prior to season starting
Great skater
Physical beast
Offense may be lacking
Missed some time with injuries

From NCAA through to OHL
He's a great skater
One of the most physical players in the league (Both NCAA and OHL)
Gives 100%
Will stick up for teammates, won't back down
Has a good shot
Goes out of way for hits, should be easily coachable to fix
Doesn't get into the open areas as a shooter
Forcing some plays in the offensive zone
Strong down low play
Consistency a huge issue
Hasn't capitalized on opportunities created by himself or teammates
Not very good defensively

We knew he was a good skater and a physical beast, no new developments there

Now, how about you tell me your points, because I'm more than happy to listen and understand

 

[OD99]

It was not “extremely extremely disappointing”. He played well and IS progressing. Working on different parts of his game, he just needs to continue and finish it off with some offence, which WILL come.
So yeah, chill the f$&@ out people.

Why will the offence come?

What elements was he missing that he worked on to have him start producing? What part of his game is progressing?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Yeah but he should've been expecting that given that they picked a guy ranked in the 2nd round at 10 overall haha



We should trade up to get one of them IMO

You have to find a team who reaaallly doesn’t want them and who really wants to pick seventh. It’s not happening

 

[Ice-Tray]

The wait and see crowd sure seems to hype up our prospects when they are doing good/being productive.

Well I mean the goal is to enjoy isn’t it?

Especially for this draft, when a guy like Ostapchuk ends the year like he did vs the start, it’s cause for at worst cautious optimism, at best excitement.

I have never really understood why this fanbase seems so resistant to publicly hyping our prospects. It’s like we’re too embarrassed to put ourselves out there for the fun of it. It’s sports, if we hype and the busts, so what, we all move on.

No one anywhere is going to look back at us and point their fingers and laugh. It’s all right to have fun as a fan, talk a little smack, be excited, be hopeful, and try and enjoy the experience.

This place tends to critically analyze everything to death. I know lots of folks love that, and I find it interesting as well at times as we have some very bright posters in here, but some of us are just very different fans at the end of the day. Maybe the more fanatic type, that wants to cheer at any opportunity!

There hasn’t been much to cheer about for quite a while before this rebuild started, but the winds of change have been blowing for a while now, and the cheering feels good

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Of course they would be happy to get those guys with 10th OA. The difference is that Backes and Simmonds showed notably better production that Boucher in their draft year, while Lucic obviously brought an element that Boucher has not shown yet and doesn't really project to ever have. Add in the fact that all three showed huge development leaps in their D+1 year and it's no surprise that people don't see the same upside in Boucher as those players.

Hopefully next year we see one of those leaps in development from Boucher to spur some optimism.

Yeah, I was just trying to point out that teams don't expect prime versions of Lucic/Backes/Simmonds with 2nd round picks. So while they were all drafted in the 2nd round, that if a team truly believed they were going to get an equivalent player that they would draft that prospect much earlier.

I would think that the Sens saw similar upside when they evaluated Boucher and that is why they took him so high. Whether he becomes that or not remains to be seen. It would at least be a logical explanation behind them making the pick if they projected similar upside, thought it would take some time to develop him into it but were very confident that they could develop him into that. We will see what he becomes as he develops.

I think it is a decent strategy to target scarce players but a lot of work needs to be done in making accurate evaluations. There should be ample justification as to why that projected upside seems attainable in order to avoid making poor draft selections. I'm not as big of a fan of the gambling approach with picks so I don't really support taking swings on some small chance that a prospect might be successful. I would want to know the logic of it; how exactly they were going to be developed into that player and why there is reason to believe that prospect specifically is likely to achieve those development projections.

 

[aragorn]

Ottawa not only has a lot of good young players now on their roster, they are also their best players. They also have a number of good young prospects coming who could also turn out better than a number of players on their current roster. I'm all for improving the team with good acquisitions, I just don't want to trade certain young players who IMO have tremendous potential & could turn into better players than the guy they get traded for as Zibanijad has.

IMO we should not be trading Pinto, Greig or Kleven they need these kind of players on their roster, they play roles they would need to go out & get anyway & the acquisitions as we have seen don't always work out. We have good players coming who can fill roles in the top & bottom six, it's on RD that IMO they could use another very good player.

 

[bicboi64]

Ottawa not only has a lot of good young players now on their roster, they are also their best players. They also have a number of good young prospects coming who could also turn out better than a number of players on their current roster. I'm all for improving the team with good acquisitions, I just don't want to trade certain young players who IMO have tremendous potential & could turn into better players than the guy they get traded for as Zibanijad has.

IMO we should not be trading Pinto, Greig or Kleven they need these kind of players on their roster, they play roles they would need to go out & get anyway & the acquisitions as we have seen don't always work out. We have good players coming who can fill roles in the top & bottom six, it's on RD that IMO they could use another very good player.

Pinto, Grieg, and Kleven did not have the draft pedigree of Zibby and were not consistent members of our roster who were improving every season for multiple seasons.

Pinto, Grieg, and Kleven can all become key pieces for a competitive Sens team, but their current value to the organization is not that of what Zibby was at the time of his trade.

 

[aragorn]

Pinto, Grieg, and Kleven did not have the draft pedigree of Zibby and were not consistent members of our roster who were improving every season for multiple seasons.

Pinto, Grieg, and Kleven can all become key pieces for a competitive Sens team, but their current value to the organization is not that of what Zibby was at the time of his trade.

Kakko has zero value for me based on what I saw of him in the playoffs, he looks too scared to play in a rough game, I wasn't surprised at all that they didn't dress him in the last game. I'd trade Brannstrom or White for him, but that's about it. We don't need another soft regular season perimeter player who doesn't like contact.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Kakko has zero value for me based on what I saw of him in the playoffs, he looks too scared to play in a rough game, I wasn't surprised at all that they didn't dress him in the last game. I'd trade Brannstrom or White for him, but that's about it. We don't need another soft regular season perimeter player who doesn't like contact.

Believe it or not, Tyler Kleven at one point in time was a highly regarded player.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Jiricek going to unite us all and usher in an era of prosperity.

I don't think there's a chance in hell he falls to 7.

 

[Micklebot]

I have never really understood why this fanbase seems so resistant to publicly hyping our prospects. It’s like we’re too embarrassed to put ourselves out there for the fun of it. It’s sports, if we hype and the busts, so what, we all move on.

Idk, to me the fanbase hypes up prospects they think deserve it. You are free to have a different opinion on who deserves it, that's all part of the fun, not everyone has to agree.

We as a fanbase were really hyping up Karlsson as a prospect, we hyped up Stone, Batherson too. Rundblad was super hyped up, as was Silfverburg. Lots of people are hyping up Sanderson now and obviously Stutzle. Fans have even changed their opinions on guys that surpassed initial expectations; Norris and Pinto are great examples of players that fans were not initially high on but ended up really getting hyped.

Don't confuse not being willing to hype up prospects regardless of merit, with being resistant to hype up prospects in general. We also don't go around planing the SC parade every year regardless of the quality of the roster.

 

[Emerica]

I don't think there's a chance in hell he falls to 7.

I definitely thinks there's a chance now with the Gauthier hype train. What does your top-10 mock look like? If Philly or CBJ go Gauthier, there would only need one team to go with Kemell, Savoie or another wildcard for one of Nemec or Jiricek to fall to 7.

Not saying its going to happen, but I'd say with Gauthier moving up the boards the way he has, there's a better chance today that Jiricek is there at 7 than there was 2 months ago. imo

 

[Mingus Dew]

I don't think there's a chance in hell he falls to 7.

There's a chance. Probably not a good chance, but a chance.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I definitely thinks there's a chance now with the Gauthier hype train. What does your top-10 mock look like? If Philly or CBJ go Gauthier, there would only need one team to go with Kemell, Savoie or another wildcard for one of Nemec or Jiricek to fall to 7.

Not saying its going to happen, but I'd say with Gauthier moving up the boards the way he has, there's a better chance today that Jiricek is there at 7 than there was 2 months ago. imo

I think both Nemec and Jiricek are gone by pick 5

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

I definitely thinks there's a chance now with the Gauthier hype train. What does your top-10 mock look like? If Philly or CBJ go Gauthier, there would only need one team to go with Kemell, Savoie or another wildcard for one of Nemec or Jiricek to fall to 7.

Not saying its going to happen, but I'd say with Gauthier moving up the boards the way he has, there's a better chance today that Jiricek is there at 7 than there was 2 months ago. imo

I think Jiricek is the best defenseman in the draft, and Nemec also has top pairing potential as well. In my opinion other than Cooley, Wright, and Slafkovsky, no forward in this draft really has the potential that Jiricek or Nemec do (maybe Yurov or Miroshnichenko). I would be shocked if either one of them are available.

 

[Qward]

I ran a draft sim based on team needs, Nemec fell to us.

It wents
Habs-Wright
NJ - Savoie
Yotes - Slaf
Seattle - Cooley
Flyers - Jiricek
CBJ - Kemell
Ottawa - Nemec

 

[Ice-Tray]

Idk, to me the fanbase hypes up prospects they think deserve it. You are free to have a different opinion on who deserves it, that's all part of the fun, not everyone has to agree.

We as a fanbase were really hyping up Karlsson as a prospect, we hyped up Stone, Batherson too. Rundblad was super hyped up, as was Silfverburg. Lots of people are hyping up Sanderson now and obviously Stutzle. Fans have even changed their opinions on guys that surpassed initial expectations; Norris and Pinto are great examples of players that fans were not initially high on but ended up really getting hyped.

Don't confuse not being willing to hype up prospects regardless of merit, with being resistant to hype up prospects in general. We also don't go around planing the SC parade every year regardless of the quality of the roster.

I’ve been a Sens fan in here for a very long time; I’m not confused, and I meant what I said.

My point was more about folks being down on other folks for hyping prospects that they don’t like. Having to argue that their hype is ‘rational’ and so their choices for hype are solid, while other prospects they don’t like should be hyped, and those who do are less rational.

It’s silly, the whole thing. being a sports fan is ridiculous at its core, rationally speaking, the whole point is in the fun of it.

 

[edguy]

I ran a draft sim based on team needs, Nemec fell to us.

It wents
Habs-Wright
NJ - Savoie
Yotes - Slaf
Seattle - Cooley
Flyers - Jiricek
CBJ - Kemell
Ottawa - Nemec

Savoie going 2 would be beyond shocking. For many reasons

 

[JungleBeat]

Pierre Groulx went from a goalie coach to scout? What was the reasoning behind that? Also, since when did Brock Boesers cousin work for the Sens

 

[Hale The Villain]

Pierre Groulx went from a goalie coach to scout? What was the reasoning behind that? Also, since when did Brock Boesers cousin work for the Sens

Old boys club

 

[Qward]

Pierre Groulx went from a goalie coach to scout? What was the reasoning behind that? Also, since when did Brock Boesers cousin work for the Sens

We spent our "Pierre firing budget" on the other Pierre.

 

[BondraTime]

Pierre Groulx went from a goalie coach to scout? What was the reasoning behind that? Also, since when did Brock Boesers cousin work for the Sens

4th year for Boeser, Groulx was “reassigned” mid last season, was reported he was fired in place of Zac Bierk by some, but he was reassigned.

Strange to hire a new guy because you say the goaltending has been underwhelming, then keep the guy you’re replacing on.