NHL Entry Draft 2022 NHL Draft Thread - Part 2

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Use 7OA and a young D to get Chykrun while dumping Zaitsev and get in order of preference Giroux, Palat, Smith to fill the 2nd line winger spot.
All this talk about a top 6 forward. It makes me think about Bobby Ryan. Great guy but that move never had the impact we all hoped it would. Personally, I think our forward group is fine. Obviously not as deadly as some groups around the league, but good enough.

We need a top 4 D and Chychrun would be pretty perfect. Only drawback is he's a lefty.

The only other area we need help is in goaltending. I am not convinced a Forsberg/Gus tandem will get us to the playoffs.
 
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All this talk about a top 6 forward. It makes me think about Bobby Ryan. Great guy but that move never had the impact we all hoped it would. Personally, I think our forward group is fine. Obviously not as deadly as some groups around the league, but good enough.

We need a top 4 D and Chychrun would be pretty perfect. Only drawback is he's a lefty.

The only other area we need help is in goaltending. I am not convinced a Forsberg/Gus tandem will get us to the playoffs.
Chykrun plays both sides, thanks for pointing that out @Sens of Anarchy

We can get by with 5 top 6 forwards, most teams do, but we currently only have 4.

Goaltending is what it is.
 
If Chychrun truly can play both positions, then that's easiest trade to make without question.

Then sign whoever on offense(heck we can freaking find a way for Giroux as well).

7th+Zaitsev+b prospect for Chychrun

buyout white.

Giroux. Would be a hell of an offseason.
 
If Chychrun truly can play both positions, then that's easiest trade to make without question.

Then sign whoever on offense(heck we can freaking find a way for Giroux as well).

7th+Zaitsev+b prospect for Chychrun

buyout white.

Giroux. Would be a hell of an offseason.

It would likely cost a lot more than that. Yotes' asking price is apparently extremely high.

7th + protected 2023 1st is probably closer, especially if they are taking on Zaitsev in the deal (at least a 2nd+ in negative value).
 
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Sens have drafted 78 players since 2010, only 6 were shorter than 6ft (Prince, Pageau, Dahlen, Dunn, Crookshank, Grieg (now listed at 6ft)). Smallest D drafted was Tychonik at 6ft 180. For a comparison, the Leafs since 2019 have drafted 21 players, 6 of them 6ft or bigger, 7 were 5'9 or smaller. Just an insanely bad drafting strategy from the Leafs.

If we're hoping for a "smaller" player, Sens tend to stay away from them for the most part. Size is absolutely a trait at the very least valued more than the average scouting staff.

Robertson, Niemela, Hirvonen, Abruzzese, Tverberg and Voit all look like good draft picks at the spots they were taken and all are sub 6'0.

Don't know if I agree that it's an insanely bad drafting strategy. Looks like it's paying dividends for them actually.
 
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Robertson, Niemela, Hirvonen, Abruzzese, Tverberg and Voit all look like good draft picks at the spots they were taken and all are sub 6'0.

Don't know if I agree that it's an insanely bad drafting strategy. Looks like it's paying dividends for them actually.
Of course they do, they are small offensive players who excel prior to getting to the NHL. It’s not surprising whatsoever they are looking good, that should be expected. The AHL and NHL on small ice with men is where it gets tough for these guys, large ice and junior/NCAA is their bread and butter.

I certainly hope the Leafs plug these guys into their lineup, will make them much easier to play against. That’s just a few of the smaller players they’ve taken the past 3 years, and I don’t think I’d trade for any of them for Tampa’s 2nd save possibly Niemela and Tverberg.
 
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It would likely cost a lot more than that. Yotes' asking price is apparently extremely high.

7th + protected 2023 1st is probably closer, especially if they are taking on Zaitsev in the deal (at least a 2nd+ in negative value).

That 2023 pick is extremely valuable. Draft looks so deep that a couple potential top line forwards or top 15 calibre Dmen are likely to be found in the middle round(which is where we are likely to finish, even in a successful season). A 15-17th overall might land you similar calibre prospect to 7th overall this year. Two top 10 pick value is kinda nuts. I'd overload one trade.

7th+Brannstrom+Jarventie/Sokolov+TB 2nd +Zaitsev for Chychrun.
 
All this talk about a top 6 forward. It makes me think about Bobby Ryan. Great guy but that move never had the impact we all hoped it would. Personally, I think our forward group is fine. Obviously not as deadly as some groups around the league, but good enough.

We need a top 4 D and Chychrun would be pretty perfect. Only drawback is he's a lefty.

The only other area we need help is in goaltending. I am not convinced a Forsberg/Gus tandem will get us to the playoffs.

We need a lot to become a perennial playoff team including:
1. Top 4 D (assuming Sanderson becomes one too)
2. Top 6 F
3. Top G
 
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Robertson, Niemela, Hirvonen, Abruzzese, Tverberg and Voit all look like good draft picks at the spots they were taken and all are sub 6'0.

Don't know if I agree that it's an insanely bad drafting strategy. Looks like it's paying dividends for them actually.
Are the leafs really the team we wanna compare ourselves too?

However the Leafs build their team I wanna do the opposite, because it isn't working. Who cares how many points ya get in the regular season if you can't get past round 1?

Size, character, passion, and tough to play against that seems to be what wins teams cups. Sure we need some skill in there too, but it seems to be those role players who really seal the deal.
 
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Of course they do, they are small offensive players who excel prior to getting to the NHL. It’s not surprising whatsoever they are looking good, that should be expected. The AHL and NHL on small ice with men is where it gets tough for these guys, large ice and junior/NCAA is their bread and butter.

I certainly hope the Leafs plug these guys into their lineup, will make them much easier to play against. That’s just a few of the smaller players they’ve taken the past 3 years, and I don’t think I’d trade for any of them for Tampa’s 2nd save possibly Niemela and Tverberg.

Still beats picking a less talented and less intelligent player that won't make the league at all.

I prefer drafting players with some size in rounds 1-2 but throwing darts at smaller players with NHL skill and IQ in rounds 3-7 is smart practice when looking at the history of players drafted late that ended up being above replacement level (top 6 forward/top 4 D).
 
That 2023 pick is extremely valuable. Draft looks so deep that a couple potential top line forwards or top 15 calibre Dmen are likely to be found in the middle round(which is where we are likely to finish, even in a successful season). A 15-17th overall might land you similar calibre prospect to 7th overall this year. Two top 10 pick value is kinda nuts. I'd overload one trade.

7th+Brannstrom+Jarventie/Sokolov+TB 2nd +Zaitsev for Chychrun.

The Sens apparently called the Yotes about Chychrun and balked at the asking price, as did the rest of the league as Chychrun is still in AZ.

It would probably cost more than we'd expect, especially if we're dumping a bad contract or two on them.
 
Of course they do, they are small offensive players who excel prior to getting to the NHL. It’s not surprising whatsoever they are looking good, that should be expected. The AHL and NHL on small ice with men is where it gets tough for these guys, large ice and junior/NCAA is their bread and butter.

I certainly hope the Leafs plug these guys into their lineup, will make them much easier to play against. That’s just a few of the smaller players they’ve taken the past 3 years, and I don’t think I’d trade for any of them for Tampa’s 2nd save possibly Niemela and Tverberg.
Are the Leafs sub 6' prospects predominantly perimeter players? In watching the Leafs in the playoffs they rely pretty heavily on perimeter hockey and that includes their core forwards like Matthew, Marner and Nylander. Those three showed more of a willingness this playoffs but they still weren't that consistent at it. Matthews in particular has the physical traits to play a much more assertive and territorial game and if he developed it then it would help them in the playoffs.

Shorter players can still be pretty effective in the playoffs if they are willing to go to those dirty areas. I get the impression that the Leafs prospect pool is primarily perimeter players though, is that accurate?
 
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Are the leafs really the team we wanna compare ourselves too?

However the Leafs build their team I wanna do the opposite, because it isn't working. Who cares how many points ya get in the regular season if you can't get past round 1?

Size, character, passion, and tough to play against that seems to be what wins teams cups. Sure we need some skill in there too, but it seems to be those role players who really seal the deal.
Size, character, passion, tough to play against & skilled. There are always some big guys who are also very skilled (Stone, Tkachuk, Batherson) to be found in the draft & IMO Cutter Gauther LW & David Jiricek RD are two examples who could be available when we pick at 7th OA, Connor Geekie is another guy people are so/so on who has the size & skill package that could turn into a good playoff performer.

Ottawa also has enough good sized players on the roster to afford drafting a high skilled smaller player, but who that player is & how he develops is the question that is difficult to project. I like Lekkerimaki because he seems to have a knack for scoring goals & could be protected on that top line with Tkachuk on his line, but how some of these guys perform in the playoffs remains to be seen until they do it.

David Jiricek RD, Cutter Gauthier LW & Connor Geekie C all have that size & skill combination that most teams convet & who sometimes perform well in the playoffs & all three could be available when Ott picks at 7th OA. Who thought Paul would be as good as he has been for Tampa in these playoffs? People seem to prefer these regular season phenoms who get targeted in the playoffs & have trouble dealing with being shadowed in the playoffs.
 
Still beats picking a less talented and less intelligent player that won't make the league at all.

I prefer drafting players with some size in rounds 1-2 but throwing darts at smaller players with NHL skill and IQ in rounds 3-7 is smart practice when looking at the history of players drafted late that ended up being above replacement level (top 6 forward/top 4 D).
One of the challenges is there is only a finite number of roster spots. Once a team has a core established and locked up to term, it impacts their drafting strategy. Each prospect needs to be evaluated as to where they could fit in that future lineup. If they are a high skill prospect then the question is whether they have the kind of upside to displace or make expandable one of the core pieces, and if they don't or are unlikely to do so, then the question is how effective can they be in a lesser role.

Once that core is established then it is more important to build out the right support cast for that core. That means prospects that can play effectively in more roles are typically more valuable than players that can play in limited roles. That is unless a prospect looks like they will be elite for a very specific role and sometimes a very limited one. This would include a lot of depth roles like penalty killers, agitators, 3rd and 4th line centers, etc.

The implication of this is that a skilled prospect who likely won't be able to challenge the core to displace their roles and is more limited in their ability to play multiple smaller roles effectively, is not as valuable of a prospect as those that are more capable of playing support roles effectively.

The common counterargument to this is the suggestion of drafting skill and then trading for or signing support players. There are two problems with this counterargument. The first is that most skilled players that aren't able to displace core players and can't play support roles very effectively are not that valuable on the trade market. All teams would like to win the Stanley Cup and are looking to build their rosters to achieve that objective and as a result they don't want to pay premium assets or even very valuable assets for a player that won't be part of their core, will likely get pushed down the lineup and won't be as effective as other players in a support role.

The second is that high end support players are difficult to acquire while they are in their prime and while they are cost controlled. Particularly in a salary cap era, there is an importance on controlling and optimizing the cost of the support role players to build around the more expensive core. Drafting these support players allows an organization to have them contribute to their team while they are likely in their prime and while they are cost controlled. In addition, if they are high end support players or elite for specific roles then they are highly coveted by other teams and will garner a high return in a trade at the trade deadline if the organization is forced to go through a rebuild and is looking to sell off.

As a result, this impacts the draft strategy of most organizations once their core is pretty much in place. If they are good at this drafting approach then they stay highly competitive for multiple years and either win or have multiple attempts to win one or many Stanley Cups.
 
Are the leafs really the team we wanna compare ourselves too?

However the Leafs build their team I wanna do the opposite, because it isn't working. Who cares how many points ya get in the regular season if you can't get past round 1?

Size, character, passion, and tough to play against that seems to be what wins teams cups. Sure we need some skill in there too, but it seems to be those role players who really seal the deal.

If the past couple years are any indication, what gets teams far in the playoffs is top tier goaltending and strong defense, not necessarily having a forward group filled with big guys.

Tampa won two cups with most of their top forwards (Kucherov, Point, Palat, Gourde, Cirelli, Coleman and Johnson) being below-average size.

The smurfs even managed to sneak their way into the finals last year with a bunch of small forwards because their D was massive and Price was exceptional.

The key seems to be having a goalie who can make big saves when needed and having a huge D filled with shutdown guys who can take advantage of the lax rules in the post-season and get away with a lot more.
 
All this talk about a top 6 forward. It makes me think about Bobby Ryan. Great guy but that move never had the impact we all hoped it would. Personally, I think our forward group is fine. Obviously not as deadly as some groups around the league, but good enough.

We need a top 4 D and Chychrun would be pretty perfect. Only drawback is he's a lefty.

The only other area we need help is in goaltending. I am not convinced a Forsberg/Gus tandem will get us to the playoffs.
Ryan came in at the same time Alfie went out, so he was never a "true" add, and we lost Silfer in the trade.

Then he had on-ice and off-ice difficulties...
 


Lesser known Draft Prospects. First up is Jiri Kulich. He had a solid but unspectacular year & his character was attractive but he LIT UP the U18’s & was named MVP. Still not a 1st for us because the body of work doesn’t warrant it but that is a hell of a last impression! Sam Rinzel. We have always been reluctant to have High School players rated high (with the odd exception) but Rinzel has us VERY excited. He was exceptional for Chaska & solid for Waterloo in USHL but he jumps off the tape I’ve watched on InStat. Very intriguing Prospect. Reid Schaefer, The SEA TBirds were down 3-1 to Portland & the big LW Reid Schaefer helped lead them back to 3 straight wins & a Game 7 win w/ 3 pts. Even before playoffs, we've loved his size, ability to move & average of 1 point per game. Lots of tools & his ceiling is high. Paul Ludwinski, The energetic Centreman that plays with pace & has a very good north-south game has impressed us all year long. I’m not sure he will score a lot in the NHL but he is a very low risk Prospect that will be a very effective middle 6 guy. Excellent on the PK too.
 
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I’m starting to warmup to a Gauthier type pick. Power rules in the playoffs. I’d even take Warren in the second.

We won’t get those guys, and their skillset, if we don’t draft them.

Brady Norris Batherson
Greig Jimmy Soko/Jarvy
Gauthier Opstachuk Boucher

Is getting nice any heavy
 
It would likely cost a lot more than that. Yotes' asking price is apparently extremely high.

7th + protected 2023 1st is probably closer, especially if they are taking on Zaitsev in the deal (at least a 2nd+ in negative value).
I think 7th + Brannstrom would be enticing to Arizona for Chykrun. Zaitsev would need to be a separate deal so we can pay his SB, I’m thinking 2023 2nd + Zaitsev works. Zaitsev would be owed 6.25 over 2 years and Arizona gets a higher cap hit than salary.
 
Lets temper expectations with our prospects. Remember when we thought Kaspers was going to light it up?
I'd say the same with trades and buy-outs. If even half of what some people are talking about occurred, I'd think we would be very fortunate.
 
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