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NHL Entry Draft 2022 NHL Draft Thread - Part 2

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Ill tell you one thing, after this tournament - I’ve changed my mind about a few guys.
Lane Hutson, Issac Howard, Jimmy Snuggerud, Jiri Kulich, and Lekkermaki have all impressed me to various degrees.
 
Sweden beats the powerhouse USA team for the gold.
Lekkerimaki with the empty netter to make it 6-4 adding to 3 assists ; Leads the U18s in points
 
Kulich-Cooley-Lekkermaki
Hutson-Hamara
Havelid

Thats the All-star team for the tournament. An all time great goaltending performance for Havelid.
 
Hugo Havelid .. wins the gold, wins MVP today, wins top goalie. He's eligible for the 2022 draft.. On the small side for goalies these days.
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UglyPuckling said:
Are any of the Swedish players in this tournament on the Senators radar screen?
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I'd suspect there's a few that will be on their radar for sure.. How they rank them is another question.
 
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So…. Are we actually going to pick with our first?

I really hope PD can find a way to add without giving up our (hopefully!) last high first for a long time.
 
Looks like Rutger Mcgroarty had a real solid u18 tournament. He finished 2nd in goals and 7th in points. He should be given more consideration for our pick. If the scouts are confident in his offensive upside then he could end up being a viable target.
 
RAFI BOMB said:
Looks like Rutger Mcgroarty had a real solid u18 tournament. He finished 2nd in goals and 7th in points. He should be given more consideration for our pick. If the scouts are confident in his offensive upside then he could end up being a viable target.
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He shouldn’t be given any consideration for our pick at 7. There are at a minimum 4 guys from his own team ahead of him, then all the other guys from all the other leagues.

Would be another misappropriation of a top end pick.
 
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RAFI BOMB said:
Looks like Rutger Mcgroarty had a real solid u18 tournament. He finished 2nd in goals and 7th in points. He should be given more consideration for our pick. If the scouts are confident in his offensive upside then he could end up being a viable target.
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He definitely had a great tournament and him along with many other that played for team USA at the u18’s had upward momentum in regards to draft ranking - He definitely benefited from his line mates. Teams are going to like his leadership and toughness and he’s played his best hockey at the major scouting events so although I disagree that the Senators should be targeting him at #7/8. It wouldn’t surprise me if he went anywhere in the mid-late first.
 
BondraTime said:
He shouldn’t be given any consideration for our pick at 7. There are at a minimum 4 guys from his own team ahead of him, then all the other guys from all the other leagues.

Would be another misappropriation of a top end pick.
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I think he is pretty underrated. Other than his skating I am not seeing the reason to be so low on him. He will get a boost in the rankings based on his U18 play. If McKenzie's final list ends up having him ranked around 10 or higher are you reevaluating your assessment?

I get the idea of being cautious about reaching on a player but if the final consensus ends up pretty high on him then in my opinion he is a worthwhile target.
 
RAFI BOMB said:
Looks like Rutger Mcgroarty had a real solid u18 tournament. He finished 2nd in goals and 7th in points. He should be given more consideration for our pick. If the scouts are confident in his offensive upside then he could end up being a viable target.
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I like him enough but I would not pick him top 10 in this draft. Late teens early twenties around there.

I would pick several players ahead of McGroarty but based on the Boucher pick .. I guess we should not be surprised if they take him. I do think he projects to be an NHL player. I just want a higher ceiling
 
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I like him enough but I would not pick him top 10 in this draft. Late teens early twenties around there.

I would pick several players ahead of McGroarty but based on the Boucher pick .. I guess we should not be surprised if they take him.
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How much weight do you put into the consensus rankings? For example if McKenzie's final rankings have McGroarty at 10 are you still against drafting him with our pick? I don't know if he will end up being ranked that high but he has a lot of good traits and if the consensus among scouts has him really high in the final rankings then wouldn't he be worth targeting?
 
RAFI BOMB said:
How much weight do you put into the consensus rankings? For example if McKenzie's final rankings have McGroarty at 10 are you still against drafting him with our pick? I don't know if he will end up being ranked that high but he has a lot of good traits and if the consensus among scouts has him really high in the final rankings then wouldn't he be worth targeting?
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I think there were a few players that helped their draft stock at the U18s. He helped his.. Which of these players typically ranked higher from his own team will he pass

Cooley
Gauthier
Snuggerud
Nazar
Howard .. / McGroarty are closer but Howard helped his case as well.
There is also a couple D that are in the running there Chesley and Casey
Ostlund, Ohgren, Lekkerimaki, Kemell, Kulich all helped there cases as well as others

If Bob had Jordan Dumais in his top 10 final rankings are you going to say he is worth targeting?

Jordan Dumais finishes the season with 37 points in his final 12 games. His 109 total points trails only Sidney Crosby and P-Marc Bouchard in points by a 17-year-old in the QMJHL in the last 20 years (per @StephRDSJunior)
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RAFI BOMB said:
I think he is pretty underrated. Other than his skating I am not seeing the reason to be so low on him. He will get a boost in the rankings based on his U18 play. If McKenzie's final list ends up having him ranked around 10 or higher are you reevaluating your assessment?

I get the idea of being cautious about reaching on a player but if the final consensus ends up pretty high on him then in my opinion he is a worthwhile target.
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I’d be extremely surprised if he was that high, and would stay away for the fact there are numerous guys who are worth picking before him who will be available.

There are better players available. No need in looking his way for the sake of trying to find hidden value.
 
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I think that if the top 5 are gone ( Wright, Slafkovsky, Cooley, Nemec & Jiricek) that Ottawa might look towards a goal scoring RW & Lekkerimaki could be reminding them of Alfredsson. He's clearly got top line skill & has a great shot & Ottawa has a number of guys who can get him the puck, but he can make plays too. High skillset, fast skater, top line player, scoring RWer, he's basically what they want & are trying to add in Fiala. It might take a yr or two before he is strong enough to play in the NHL but he already has everything else.
 
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BondraTime said:
I’d be extremely surprised if he was that high, and would stay away for the fact there are numerous guys who are worth picking before him who will be available.

There are better players available. No need in looking his way for the sake of trying to find hidden value.
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What is it about his game that you don't like? I'm struggling to see why you aren't as high on him. There seems to be some polarizing opinions on him such as the ones in his thread in the prospects board. From what I've seen, I'm reminded a lot of Mason McTavish from last year and McTavish went 3rd overall. His talent seems pretty clear to me and sometimes based on the reactions I see on here I feel like I am watching an entirely different player. Can you elaborate on your perception of him?
 
Sens of Anarchy said:
I think there were a few players that helped their draft stock at the U18s. He helped his.. Which of these players typically ranked higher from his own team will he pass

Cooley
Gauthier
Snuggerud
Nazar
Howard .. / McGroarty are closer but Howard helped his case as well.
There is also a couple D that are in the running there Chesley and Casey
Ostlund, Ohgren, Lekkerimaki, Kemell, Kulich all helped there cases as well as others

If Bob had Jordan Dumais in his top 10 final rankings are you going to say he is worth targeting?
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I will give consideration to any player that McKenzie has ranked in that range.

From the USNTP Cooley is the only player than I think is clearly above McGroarty. From what I have seen from the other US players I'm not fully convinced that they are better prospects. I think if McGroarty was a better skater that he would clearly be ranked above them, So then that creates the question of how much does the gap in skating impact his ranking?

I would need to watch more of the other players you listed but from what I have seen, I also don't see them as better prospects than McGroarty. Kemell had some hype early on but he looks like he is falling in the rankings. I also don't get much of the excitement over Lekkerimaki or Ohgren. They get a lot of hype around here but I struggle to see the justification for it. Maybe I need to evaluate their play more closely or get some different footage on them but I'm not seeing the reason to get excited at this point.

After the top five I don't really see a big gap in the next chunk of players. Dorion's comments at the press conference suggested that this was going to be a good draft but mostly filled with good 2nd, 3rd and 4th line players with not a lot of 1st liners. He didn't specify where the cut off was other than implying that the very top of the draft is very good. If the Sens scouts see the peak potential of players available at 7 and after as 2nd liners then style can play a big role.

McGroarty looks like he could be a very good 2nd liner maybe even in the mold of someone like David Backes. His style of play looks like it will lead to a fair amount of production in the playoffs as he looks like he is capable of thriving in a more tight checking environment. Looking at the other forwards in that range I would need some convincing that their upside looks like it will be higher than a really good 2nd liner either that or some convincing as to why McGroarty's upside is less than a really good 2nd liner to change my opinion.

I am also more interested in who will be the better performer in the playoffs at the NHL level so I will rank prospects lower who could be good regular season players but won't be as impactful come playoffs. Or stated differently, I'm primarily focused on assessing the tools and abilities of prospects within the context of how well I think it adapts to NHL playoff hockey. So it isn't just about how they look it is more of how suitable I think their game is to thriving in NHL playoff hockey.
 
Sens could easily select McGroarty in the top 10.

They could talk themselves into it by focusing on his intangibles, physical game, size, high likelihood of being an NHLer, etc.... AKA a lot of the same things that helped them convince themselves Boucher was the pick at 10.

Based on what I have seen there's at least 15 or so guys I'd prefer over him on draft day, but it wouldn't shock me in the least if he was very high on our list.
 
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What is it about his game that you don't like? I'm struggling to see why you aren't as high on him. There seems to be some polarizing opinions on him such as the ones in his thread in the prospects board. From what I've seen, I'm reminded a lot of Mason McTavish from last year and McTavish went 3rd overall. His talent seems pretty clear to me and sometimes based on the reactions I see on here I feel like I am watching an entirely different player. Can you elaborate on your perception of him?
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There is nothing wrong with his game thats making me not be high on him. He's a solid prospect that you see taken in the mid/late 1st every year.

Even just looking at this tournament, excluding all the guys who weren't there, I'm not sure how we would think McGroaty was a better option than Nazar, Lekkerimaki, Kemell, Ohgren or Gauthier, all of whom looked just as good if not better. Then you have guys like Pickering, Ostlund, Snuggerud (who I also wouldn't be looking at for 7), Chesley, Howard, Kulich etc who all had good tournaments. These guys all had as good/better tournaments, most/all will not be making large jumps.

This was probably the weakest U-18 tournament I have seen in ages, which is to be expected eliminating a top team and a whole league of the CHL from competing.

I expect him to be ranked in the late teens, he'll be a solid pickup for a team in that range. The Sens have a whole group of prospects available to them at 6-10 who project to be better players.

If anyone's stock should rise for the Sens, it should be Lekkerimai and Kemell, who were much better than Mcgroaty, were/are ranked much higher than him, and have been top end picks all season long. 1 of those guys at minimum will be available at 7th (or one of the top 5), and would be very hard to pass for a guy like Mcgroaty, it would not make much sense.

There are at least 10/12 guys after, the obvious top 5 guys we should want, I'd be looking towards before getting to Mcgroaty. If that's the route the Sens take, I'll live with it, but it will be another questionable at best pick.

Take the best player available high in the first, there is no way I could be convinced Mcgroaty is the best player available, not even close. Though I'd have said the same thing about Boucher, so who knows with the Sens, hopefully they've learned from that mistake

Drafting for style of play in the high first is a very big mistake
 
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GermanSpitfire said:
Ill tell you one thing, after this tournament - I’ve changed my mind about a few guys.
Lane Hutson, Issac Howard, Jimmy Snuggerud, Jiri Kulich, and Lekkermaki have all impressed me to various degrees.
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Howard and Snuggerud really moved up in my eyes. If we are in the 7-9 range Snuggerud, Gauthier both feel like Mann picks.
 
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