WC: 2022 IIHF World Championship Finland (Russia and Belarus tossed out) No Politics

[Fjorden]

Why is group B so much stronger than group A?

Easiest group ever for Canada.
Group B looks much stronger.

Group A and IIhf ranking---------------------Group B and IIHF ranking
Canada(2)-------------------------------------Finland(1)
Slovakia(5)------------------------------------USA(3)
Germany(6)-----------------------------------Sweden(4)
Switzerland(8)--------------------------------Czech Republic(7)
Denmark(9)-----------------------------------Latvia(10)
Kazakhstan(12)-------------------------------Norway(11)
Italy(13)---------------------------------------GB(16)

(iihf ranking with RUS AND BLR removed after 2022 olympics)

THey should swap Sweden-Germany and/or Slovakia-USA to make it more even

 

[JackSlater]

Why is group B so much stronger than group A?

Easiest group ever for Canada.
Group B looks much stronger.

Group A and IIhf ranking---------------------Group B and IIHF ranking
Canada(2)-------------------------------------Finland(1)
Slovakia(5)------------------------------------USA(3)
Germany(6)-----------------------------------Sweden(4)
Switzerland(8)--------------------------------Czech Republic(7)
Denmark(9)-----------------------------------Latvia(10)
Kazakhstan(12)-------------------------------Norway(11)
Italy(13)---------------------------------------GB(16)

(iihf ranking with RUS AND BLR removed after 2022 olympics)

THey should swap Sweden-Germany and/or Slovakia-USA to make it more even

A team that could have contender is now gone, and fewer contenders makes it more possible for lopsided groups. It's not really a big deal. Add one certain unsavoury element to Group A and it looks less lopsided.

 

[ES]

Sweden disappointing last year was the key to uneven groups. Russia's expulsion made it worse. Russia and USA were swapped places as organizers hoped to get lots of Russian fans and make it fan-wise top team in Helsinki group.

 

[Fjorden]

A team that could have contender is now gone, and fewer contenders makes it more possible for lopsided groups. It's not really a big deal. Add one certain unsavoury element to Group A and it looks less lopsided.

In group B the four top spots are almost locked with Finland, Sweden, USA and Czech. I'll consider all those four teams a contender for the wc title.

Group A is very open from 2-6 behind Canada. Could be either of Slovakia, Switzerland, Denmark and Kazakhstan. Canada is he only contender for the wc title in this group.

From a norwegian perspective I would have taken Slovakia and Germany any day instead of USA and Sweden. Slovakia and Germany is not at the same as level as Sweden and USA, not even close.

 

[Jussi]

Interesting. Good choice and I would've been fine if Slovakia got selected instead of them as well.

I wonder if they'll take turns next season attending the EHT tournaments? Switzerland maybe host the Russian tournament? Slovakia takes part in the Finnish and Czech tournaments and Switzerland hosts one and takes part in the Swedish one?

 

[garbageteam]

So has it been confirmed they will not replace Russia/Belarus and just go with 14 teams this time around?

 

[Eye of Ra]

Slovakia and Germany is not at the same as level as Sweden and USA, not even close.

How so? Germany have done better than Sweden 2 last WC and Slovakia crushed us in the bronze game recently.

 

[Fjorden]

How so? Germany have done better than Sweden 2 last WC and Slovakia crushed us in the bronze game recently.

Based on the player material and the depth swedish hockey has, Sweden should be better.

Germany and Slovakia can have "lucky punch" and a deep run sometimes in tournaments, but in the long run they don't have nearly the same depth as Sweden.

 

[Yakushev72]

I addressed it in the Russia board but yesterday I scanned one large Russian hockey site with the comments and mainly people don't care, some are actually very positive that they think the MHL will get attention it deserves and as such there may be a better development for prospects.

The loneliest place in the World has been an MHL game. The league has not been adequately promoted and developed, and there are a lack of emotional rivalries to build interest. Very little publicity, name recognition, etc. Nothing like they have in the CHL in Canada.

 

[Yakushev72]

I addressed it in the Russia board but yesterday I scanned one large Russian hockey site with the comments and mainly people don't care, some are actually very positive that they think the MHL will get attention it deserves and as such there may be a better development for prospects.

The loneliest place in the World has been an MHL game. Very little has been done to promote and develop the league, and there is a lack of emotional rivalries to build fan interest around. Very little publicity, name recognition, etc. Nothing comparable to the CHL in Canada.

 

[Mestaruus]

I wonder if they'll take turns next season attending the EHT tournaments? Switzerland maybe host the Russian tournament? Slovakia takes part in the Finnish and Czech tournaments and Switzerland hosts one and takes part in the Swedish one?

Yeah I think I read something like it that they might do that but that was some weeks back and who knows if the plan has changed by now. We'll see.

 

[Eye of Ra]

IIHF - Tournament updates

Council approves changes in 2022 IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship program

www.iihf.com

 

[garbageteam]

IIHF - Tournament updates

Council approves changes in 2022 IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship program

www.iihf.com

Interesting changes especially down to the Div 1 level. You could see a host of very unusual teams making it to the Championship in 2023 since two of the strongest teams are no longer in play. Slovenia and Korea are the favorites to rejoin, but you could say Romania, Hungary or Lithuania (for the first time?) also have a real shot at squeaking into the second slot.

I really wonder how things will go if/when ROC and Belarus are re-inserted? Does someone who had qualified into the Elite division get bumped off? Do they start themselves back at Division III (or even IV, where we would see lopsided scores the likes you could not even have imagined if China played NHLers).

 

[Eye of Ra]

Interesting changes especially down to the Div 1 level. You could see a host of very unusual teams making it to the Championship in 2023 since two of the strongest teams are no longer in play. Slovenia and Korea are the favorites to rejoin, but you could say Romania, Hungary or Lithuania (for the first time?) also have a real shot at squeaking into the second slot.

I really wonder how things will go if/when ROC and Belarus are re-inserted? Does someone who had qualified into the Elite division get bumped off? Do they start themselves back at Division III (or even IV, where we would see lopsided scores the likes you could not even have imagined if China played NHLers).

how is korea favorites? their imports are gone. hungary is much stronger than korea

 

[penepi]

France and Austria to replace the two expelled teams.

 

[garbageteam]

how is korea favorites? their imports are gone. hungary is much stronger than korea

Last time they played each other in 2019 Korea won 5-1 and placed third in the group with 9 points, just missing promotion by one point, while Hungary placed 5th, just narrowly missing relegation due to Head to Head with Lithuania. I'm not so sure they are "much stronger". That game between Korea and Hungary, all five goals were scored by domestic Korean players too. Korea also beat Slovenia and Belarus that tournament with all of the goal scorers also being Korean.

Not that things wouldn't have markedly changed over three years but I think they're only weaker in losing Dalton, from what I can see their 2019 roster only has two imports as skaters (defensemen). So maybe instead of winning 5-1 they would have won 5-4 without him in 2019. I don't think Hungary developed a bunch of new prospects since then or become significantly stronger.

In any case, I do think Div 1A is wide open and as interesting as it has ever been. Hell even Slovenia could shit the bed a couple of games, they haven't been knocking it out of the park with their hockey development program. It would be cool to see Lithuania be promoted for the first time ever, or Romania for the first time since 1977.

 

[Albatros]

Korea never really relied on imports all that much with the exception of Dalton, the main problem without the Canadians to me is that their team is a whole lot less physical which may not be ideal for a tournament where every point matters.

 

[JabbaJabba]

Helsinki Ice Hall will unsurprisingly replace Hartwall Arena.

 

[Jussi]

Helsinki Ice Hall will unsurprisingly replace Helsinki Arena.

Fixed.

 

[Lambo]

Are there any changes in the grouping now? Group B is significantly stronger. I don't think that's okay. France is not a substitute for Russia. Austria instead of Belarus is still justifiable

 

[Gold Standard]

I'm looking forward to the best World Hockey Championships in a decade or more. I hope Team Canada jerseys display proudly.

 

[Eye of Ra]

I'm looking forward to the best World Hockey Championships in a decade or more. I hope Team Canada jerseys display proudly.

sweden have yellow jerseys

 

[Jumptheshark]

IIHF - Tournament updates

Council approves changes in 2022 IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship program

www.iihf.com

I wonder which country was behind this move.

 

[Jussi]

I wonder which country was behind this move.

Everyone not named Russia or Belarus.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Everyone not named Russia or Belarus.

It sounds like it was a money thing. Tickets were sold and the IIHF like most places do not like giving money back.

We should start hearing in the next week or so players from non playoff teams agreeing to go via back channels.

Should be interesting who says no and who says yes.

I am supposed to fly to Helsinki but that is just way too close to Russia for me right now.