The interesting thing about Korchinski to me is he's gone from 5'10" to over 6'2"(and still growing) in just over a year and his skating has gotten better because of it according to scouts.
2022 Draft Thread - July 7-8 (CBJ to pick 6th (via CHI) and 12th overall)
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The Athletic did an anonymous interview with some scouts and executives to get their take on the draft prospects. It was very interesting. I wouldn't normally post this, but the story has been up for 11 days, so any of you who were going to read it, probably have.
Here's what they said about the D-men after Jiricek and Nemec.
And after those two are off the board, there is some debate in the scouting world about who the next best defenseman is. So we asked scouts: Who is the third best defenseman in the draft (presuming Jiricek and Nemec are top two in some order)?
Scout 1: “Denton Mateychuk. Kevin Korchinski and Pavel Mintykuov have the flashy talent but they don’t play defense. Mateychuk can make plays and competes in his own end even though he lacks size at 5-foot-11.”
Scout 2: “I think Mintyukov would have the slight edge on talent, but due to his Russian passport I would take Korchinski.”
Executive 1: “I say Korchinski but with the caveat that I think it’s a massive drop from 2 to 3 on the D list. I wouldn’t take any non-Nemec/Jiricek defensemen in the top 15.”
Scout 3: “It’s Lane Hutson for me. I get the size concerns but all he does is makes plays. He’s an elusive skater, and he has a high compete level. He was one of the best players in every game I saw him.”
Scout 4: “It’s for sure Korchinski. He could be a top 10 pick. He’s a dynamic player, a guy you’re projecting as the next Shea Theodore.”
Executive 2: “It’s Korchinski for me. Don’t over think this one. He’s 6-2, he’s a great skater, he makes a ton of plays. The upside is really high in his game.”
Kevin Korchinski and Pavel Mintyukov are two of the top rated defensemen in the draft. They are both highly entertaining prospects to watch with size, skating and skill. The big debate with scouts all season is: Do Korchinski and Mintyukov defend well enough to be high picks?
Executive 1: “I think both are overrated for that reason, I don’t think either think it well enough in their ends or care enough about defending. They get you excited with their rushes and o-zone play but they’ll frustrate the hell out of coaches.”
Executive 2: “I’m not as worried about it with Korchinski. The ice tilts when he’s on the ice, he must be doing something right in his own end. Mintyukov I don’t think tries to play defense, but I think part of that is what the team told him to do.”
Scout 1: “Mintyukov is a little wild with his pinches, but he plays hard and can be heavy on his checks. I think you can work with him. Korchinski just never engages physically, I’m worried he’ll get pushed around in the NHL.”
Scout 2: “Do I think they’re great defensively? No. But I’m not that concerned about it. They’ll generate so much offense and help you in transition that on balance you’ll be really happy to have them on your team.”
Here's what they said about the D-men after Jiricek and Nemec.
And after those two are off the board, there is some debate in the scouting world about who the next best defenseman is. So we asked scouts: Who is the third best defenseman in the draft (presuming Jiricek and Nemec are top two in some order)?
Scout 1: “Denton Mateychuk. Kevin Korchinski and Pavel Mintykuov have the flashy talent but they don’t play defense. Mateychuk can make plays and competes in his own end even though he lacks size at 5-foot-11.”
Scout 2: “I think Mintyukov would have the slight edge on talent, but due to his Russian passport I would take Korchinski.”
Executive 1: “I say Korchinski but with the caveat that I think it’s a massive drop from 2 to 3 on the D list. I wouldn’t take any non-Nemec/Jiricek defensemen in the top 15.”
Scout 3: “It’s Lane Hutson for me. I get the size concerns but all he does is makes plays. He’s an elusive skater, and he has a high compete level. He was one of the best players in every game I saw him.”
Scout 4: “It’s for sure Korchinski. He could be a top 10 pick. He’s a dynamic player, a guy you’re projecting as the next Shea Theodore.”
Executive 2: “It’s Korchinski for me. Don’t over think this one. He’s 6-2, he’s a great skater, he makes a ton of plays. The upside is really high in his game.”
Kevin Korchinski and Pavel Mintyukov are two of the top rated defensemen in the draft. They are both highly entertaining prospects to watch with size, skating and skill. The big debate with scouts all season is: Do Korchinski and Mintyukov defend well enough to be high picks?
Executive 1: “I think both are overrated for that reason, I don’t think either think it well enough in their ends or care enough about defending. They get you excited with their rushes and o-zone play but they’ll frustrate the hell out of coaches.”
Executive 2: “I’m not as worried about it with Korchinski. The ice tilts when he’s on the ice, he must be doing something right in his own end. Mintyukov I don’t think tries to play defense, but I think part of that is what the team told him to do.”
Scout 1: “Mintyukov is a little wild with his pinches, but he plays hard and can be heavy on his checks. I think you can work with him. Korchinski just never engages physically, I’m worried he’ll get pushed around in the NHL.”
Scout 2: “Do I think they’re great defensively? No. But I’m not that concerned about it. They’ll generate so much offense and help you in transition that on balance you’ll be really happy to have them on your team.”
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Well, it's harder than I thought. I'm likely to change this but here's the list of my top 50. This is in my preference to how I would approach a top board if drafting for the CBJ. There is no Hutson on my list and that is strictly because I can't justify a top 50 pick on a defenseman of that size. He may end up an NHL player but I prefer other upside. You'll also note I tend to have the Russian players higher on my list. I've tried to watch them and listen to a few describe their play. I think they could offer very high upside and a longer horizon. I think 2nd and 3rd round would be ideal for the second tier. I have Yurov as one I would easily take with 12OA, maybe even 6OA but my preferences have already been stated.... Have at it...
1. Cooley – C
2. Nemec – RHD
3. Wright – C
4. Slafkovsky – LW
5. Jiricek – RHD
6. Gauthier – C/LW
7. Mintyukov – LHD
8.Yurov – LW/RW
9. Kasper – C
10. Kemell – RW
11. Miroshnichenko – LW/RW
12. Lambert – C
13. Nazar – C
14. Lekkerimaki – RW
15. Mateychuk – LHD
16. Korchinski – LHD
17. Geekie – C
18. Savoie – C/RW
19. Firkus – RW
20. Kulich – C/RW
21. Ohgren – LW
22. Bichsel - LHD
23. Chesley – RHD
24. Ostlund – C
25. Howard – LW
26. McGroarty – LW
27. Mesar – LW/RW
28. Pickering – LHD
29. Neuchev – RW/LW
30. Goyette – C/LW
31. Gaucher – C
32. Trikozov – LW/RW
33. Snuggerud – RW
34. Rinzel – RHD
35. Bystedt – C
36. Casey – RHD
37. Grudinin – LHD
38. Sapovaliv – C/LW
39. Forsmark – LHD
40. Hughes – C
41. Solomonsson – RHD
42. Lorenz – RW
43. Vidicek – C
44. Del Bel Belluz – C
45. Nyman – RW/LW
46. Zhilkin – C
47. Duda – LHD
48. Lindgren – LHD
49. Sykora – LW
50. Moldenhauer - C
1. Cooley – C
2. Nemec – RHD
3. Wright – C
4. Slafkovsky – LW
5. Jiricek – RHD
6. Gauthier – C/LW
7. Mintyukov – LHD
8.Yurov – LW/RW
9. Kasper – C
10. Kemell – RW
11. Miroshnichenko – LW/RW
12. Lambert – C
13. Nazar – C
14. Lekkerimaki – RW
15. Mateychuk – LHD
16. Korchinski – LHD
17. Geekie – C
18. Savoie – C/RW
19. Firkus – RW
20. Kulich – C/RW
21. Ohgren – LW
22. Bichsel - LHD
23. Chesley – RHD
24. Ostlund – C
25. Howard – LW
26. McGroarty – LW
27. Mesar – LW/RW
28. Pickering – LHD
29. Neuchev – RW/LW
30. Goyette – C/LW
31. Gaucher – C
32. Trikozov – LW/RW
33. Snuggerud – RW
34. Rinzel – RHD
35. Bystedt – C
36. Casey – RHD
37. Grudinin – LHD
38. Sapovaliv – C/LW
39. Forsmark – LHD
40. Hughes – C
41. Solomonsson – RHD
42. Lorenz – RW
43. Vidicek – C
44. Del Bel Belluz – C
45. Nyman – RW/LW
46. Zhilkin – C
47. Duda – LHD
48. Lindgren – LHD
49. Sykora – LW
50. Moldenhauer - C
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We saw how impactful Blankenburg was for us, by all accounts looking better than some of our other younger highly drafted guys like Bean and Boqvist. Assuming with how high he's rated it would appear Hutson is the better player. Seriously think this dude might become one of the best if not the best d-man in this draft. He's insanely good at hockey. Honestly would have no issues taking him at 12
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Pretty much same here, except I've got Nazar above Gauthier and Savoie and Kasper above Mintyukov.
Well, okay, that and I Trust Jarmo(tm).
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12 is a tad early for me but I think he's worth betting on in the first round for sure.
I'm curious if you had a take on Owen Beck? He looks like the next Cirelli to me.
You might be right about Hutson. The scouts love him, except for his size. With our current pipeline, I can't pick him at 12. The team that drafts him will be one that already has a lot of size in the system. I'd rather take a chance on someone else.
That's sort of the way I see it. I wouldn't really be that surprised if Hutson is the next Girard, but not every system has a need for that type of player to begin with. Girard, for what it's worth, is likely to get moved by Colorado this offseason.
Now, if our due diligence turns up that his dad is 6'3" and Hutson doesn't have hair on his legs yet, maybe you take a chance.
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I like Beck. Tough to rank outside top 20 or so. I think he's a solid skater with good skill. He's probably in that 40ish range with so many others. I think he has upside. He's smart, skilled and can play an 3 zones. I need to look a little more, just like others.
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This is my take on how the CBJ should rank top prospects this year. This isn't scouting so much as aggregation of stuff I've gleaned from the web.
For me, the draft is about acquiring skill and potential. Organizational need (except in the case of goaltenders) and scarcity of position are almost complete non-factors. Let the coaches worry about who plays where and when, just get the best talent available.
Given two players who seem to have similar potential, I lean toward the larger player. I call this my Anze Kopitar Rule. (No, I am not still bitter about Gilbert Brule.*)
I believe observers who say this year has a strong group of Russian prospects. That, along with the geo-political situation, may present an opportunity.
I would not be heartbroken if Jarmo were to deal young forwards for second or third-round choices, if he likes what he sees still available. They need to keep replenishing the talent pool, and it could free up some space for the cream of our current crop.
I have nothing against Shane Wright, but I suspect his growth curve has flattened out. Cooley and Slafkovsky both may have more bust potential, but maybe more boom, too.
Ryan Chesley reminds me of Brian Leetch, one of my all-time favorite players. It's just a gut reaction, and who am I to argue with my micro-biome? He probably has little chance of ending up here, so I hope he has a nice career.
I would be elated to see Ivan Miroshnichenko with the CBJ but that also seems unlikely. I consider him a reach at 12 and he's probably long gone by the second round.
This should be a fun draft!
*I lied.
For me, the draft is about acquiring skill and potential. Organizational need (except in the case of goaltenders) and scarcity of position are almost complete non-factors. Let the coaches worry about who plays where and when, just get the best talent available.
Given two players who seem to have similar potential, I lean toward the larger player. I call this my Anze Kopitar Rule. (No, I am not still bitter about Gilbert Brule.*)
I believe observers who say this year has a strong group of Russian prospects. That, along with the geo-political situation, may present an opportunity.
I would not be heartbroken if Jarmo were to deal young forwards for second or third-round choices, if he likes what he sees still available. They need to keep replenishing the talent pool, and it could free up some space for the cream of our current crop.
I have nothing against Shane Wright, but I suspect his growth curve has flattened out. Cooley and Slafkovsky both may have more bust potential, but maybe more boom, too.
Ryan Chesley reminds me of Brian Leetch, one of my all-time favorite players. It's just a gut reaction, and who am I to argue with my micro-biome? He probably has little chance of ending up here, so I hope he has a nice career.
I would be elated to see Ivan Miroshnichenko with the CBJ but that also seems unlikely. I consider him a reach at 12 and he's probably long gone by the second round.
This should be a fun draft!
*I lied.
| 1. Cooley |
| 2. Slafkovsky |
| 3. Wright |
| 4. Jiricek |
| 5. Nemec |
| 6. Gauthier |
| 7. Lekkerimäki, |
| 8. Geekie |
| 9. Savoie |
| 10. Kemell |
| 11. Nazar |
| 12. Korchinski |
| 13. Lambert |
| 14. Mateychuk |
| 15. Kasper |
| 16. Mintyukov |
| 17. Yurov |
| 18. Kulich |
| 19. Bichsel |
| 20. Del Bel Belluz |
| 21. McGroarty |
| 22. Oghren |
| 23. Firkus |
| 24. Ostlund |
| 25. Trikozov |
BB88
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That’s why I like Lambert as wild card pick at 12.
He’s got the highest ceiling from prospects in that range.
Columbus has done great job with rebuilding their u25 pools depth and they have the 6th pick to add on it still.
So I’d like them to go for the home run pick at 12 that could be the final piece of their new core
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I agree with this approach. What is likely though, is that our thought of the home run is likely not Jarmo's so the pick at 12 may make us scratch our heads but to the CBJ it is the home run pick. I have Yurov or Miroshnichenko as that pick.
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I think you're exactly right with this. As demonstrated by the Chinakhov pick. The organization's idea of a home run could be Lambert, Miroshnichenko, Kaspar, or somebody we "outsiders" aren't talking about yet. (And I would be happy with any of them.)
A GM has to trust their own scouts and instincts. And it takes a few years to assess the results.
So far, I am willing to continue believing in Jarmo.
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I keep trying to remove Savoie from my lists or knock him down. But I can’t. There’s so much talent there. There’s so much compete and heart too. He has a lot of good tools. I get the concerns about injuries and long term ability to play C, but this kid has top 3 talent. It’s a hard call to make. I wouldn’t blame us for passing on him but he does have a lot of things you look for in a star.
Can’t make a stylistic comparison because I haven’t seen him play, but between Savoie’s size and how you described him here, he sounds an awful lot like Brayden Point, who I wouldn’t hate to have.
I've been told by some WHL watchers that the comparison between Point and Savoie doesn't hold. They said that Point was always much better on the wall and in traffic. He's tremendously strong and his compete level was on a different level. And that Savoie is more of an open-ice and powerplay easy points guy.
I've gotten used to seeing Lambert labeled as a high ceiling player. I've said it myself a few times. But I think that's wrong. A player with poor vision and poor game sense is not high ceiling. To me a higher ceiling player would be Noah Ostlund. Many doubt that Ostlund will be able to play in the NHL because of his slight build but if he figures out how to do it then his ceiling is very high. He has amazing vision and hockey sense.
I don't think either have much bust potential. I see more red flags with Wright actually.
I'm a tad confused because you didn't rank the guy that reminded you of Brian Leetch. I don't see it personally, Chesley can shoot but his passing game is getting poor marks. I had him mid-first because I like his defending so much but in the blackbook they have scouts saying that he makes poor puck decisions under pressure. He seems more like an Andrew Peeke type. One advantage though is that Chesley is a lot closer to NHL ready, his defensive game is polished and he has pro level strength already.
What do you see with Lekkerimaki and Geekie?
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BB88
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I still held hold for Lambert.
I hope he ”figures it out”, his tools are so awesome otherwise.
But it doesn’t have to be Lambert, I just hope they go for the ceiling at 12 and not for a safe bet bottom6 player
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Everyone is smack talking Shane wright so much that now my interest is peaked….I’d love to know what our scouts think about him. I’d be tempted to jump up if he slides and they like him.
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At 12 I would rather draft someone like Kasper than someone like Lambert.
Id rather have a Phillip Denault type center than draft a guy who has a 20% chance to be a star, 40% chance to be average, and 40% be a bust. (There is absolutely no science behind these percentages - I just made them up.) Will Denault ever be a star? No. Is he an incredibly impactful player that every playoff team would love to have? Yes.
With the 12th pick, the Columbus Blue Jackets select Ineva Herduvem.
Cowumbus
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Craig Button has Savoie at 17th, so you know he will be top5 in the draft class
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