2022 Draft Thread - July 7-8 (CBJ to pick 6th (via CHI) and 12th overall)

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majormajor

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At 12 I would rather draft someone like Kasper than someone like Lambert.

Id rather have a Phillip Denault type center than draft a guy who has a 20% chance to be a star, 40% chance to be average, and 40% be a bust. (There is absolutely no science behind these percentages - I just made them up.) Will Denault ever be a star? No. Is he an incredibly impactful player that every playoff team would love to have? Yes.

I definitely would take a swing on a player if I think he's the next Danault. That's part of why I've got Beck around #16 and Kasper around #10.

I also like to swing on players with 20% star probabilities, that sounds like a high enough number to pick a guy in the mid first. If I thought Lambert had that much of a chance I'd be open to taking him but I think his upside is much lower than that. I just can't think of a player with his deficiencies that became a star.
 

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At 12 I would rather draft someone like Kasper than someone like Lambert.

Id rather have a Phillip Denault type center than draft a guy who has a 20% chance to be a star, 40% chance to be average, and 40% be a bust. (There is absolutely no science behind these percentages - I just made them up.) Will Denault ever be a star? No. Is he an incredibly impactful player that every playoff team would love to have? Yes.
The problem here is that Kasper has a 20% chance to be Danault, 50% chance to be average, and 30% chance to be a bust.

There is no top 6 locks around #12, so it's a gamble no matter who you take. Lambert is just a more high risk-high reward gamble than the alternatives
 

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I guess it’s time to reveal my final top-50. In the last 7 months I have mainly watched and focused on WHL, OHL and international tournaments, so the effect of that bias might be prominent in this list.

Names with no color coding are players I’ve seen in 0-5 games this season.
Reds: 6-10 games.
Blues: 10+ games.

1. Simon Nemec RD
2. Juraj Slafkovsky LW
3. Shane Wright C
4. Logan Cooley C
5. David Jiricek RD

I have Nemec ranked 1OA but honestly it could be anyone of this group. There’s no clear #1 in this draft class for me. Jiricek and Slafkovsky may have greater upsides than the rest but Slaf is kind of a slow skater and isn’t showing exceptionally high hockey IQ in every game, and Jiricek’s skillset is very raw and his understanding of the game has left me unimpressed many times. There is some recklessness in the ways he approaches some puck battles and races that have made me worry if his career may end a lot sooner than it should. I think he has to learn to be smarter in that regard to avoid Klesla-like, injury-filled career.

6. Denton Mateychuk LD
7. Cutter Gauthier C/LW
8. Frank Nazar C/RW

I have already written quite a bit about Mateychuk, he’s probably my favorite player of this draft. Anticipates most plays very quickly, and is constantly looking for ways to make an impact on the ice. Particular skill I value very high in defensemen is puck retrievals in DZ, and he might be the best draft eligible D I’ve seen in that particular area of DZ game. I was tempted to leave Nazar out of my top-10 thanks to underwhelming performances in the U18 final rounds, but at the end of the day I’m still a huge fan of his potential.

9. Pavel Mintyukov LD
10. Marco Kasper C
11. Noah Ostlund C
12. Rutger McGroarty C
13. Danila Yurov RW
14. Jimmy Snuggerud C

Mintyukov is obviously really gifted, a few years down the road he may have become the best D of this class. I’ve been concerned of his D zone play and risky decisions he’s done on offense. OZ off-puck movement looks very smart at times, but sometimes it seemed as if he wasn’t prepared for the type of plays that are most likely going to occur. It’s like he has one kind of offensive play in mind that could actualise and which would look nice if it happened, and then he just goes for the play he visualizes but which doesn’t have the greatest chance of happening. This is one of the reasons Mateychuk is higher on my list, he seems more attuned and mature in these situations, makes better reads in general and is also more focused in DZ trying to cover and box out opposing players, rather than spend time puck watching and hoping for some low-percentage outcome from the play.

Ostlund is my favorite Swede this year. Elusive skater with slick hands and super high hockey IQ, could be a steal in the 2nd round if he falls that far. Snuggerud might be a tad too high here according to many experts, maybe there isn’t enough flash and speed to impress most people. I think his 200ft game and skillset are underappreciated, smart 6’2 two-way forward with a hard shot should carve himself a long NHL career.

15. Connor Geekie C
16. Matthew Savoie C
17. Jiri Kulich C
18. Liam Ohgren LW

Kulich and Ohgren seem to be most NHL-ready players of these 4 forwards. I put Geekie ahead of other 3 mainly because of size difference. I don’t see any of them as a future top line player. All may become great middle-6 wingers or centers, they have enough tools and willingness to play a responsible two-way game.

19. Jonathan Lekkerimaki RW
20. Owen Pickering LD
21. Brad Lambert C/RW
22. Gleb Trikozov C
23. Owen Beck C
24. Joakim Kemell RW

Yeah, Kemell and Lekkerimaki are rather low in my list in contrast to consensus. Haven’t watched them a lot, and in the very little I saw (U18s) either one was making enough high end skill/vision plays which I expect from 5’11 or shorter players to earn a top-18 ranking on my list.

I’m not a big believer in Pickering’s offensive abilities at NHL level - doesn’t have very smooth hands, slow release, lacks high end vision. I can see him settle for mid or bottom pair shut-down role and be really solid at it. Chesley and Bichsel are both great at defending as well, Chesley’s shorter frame caused him to drop to a lower position than Pickering. Bichsel could be a lot higher if I had seen full games of him during the year. I really don’t know what to think of his potential, at least seems mobile for a big guy who likes to get physical.

I’m having trouble at ranking all Russian forwards this year, Trikozov may have the most complete skillset of them all so I placed him second after Yurov. Beck should be an excellent defensive center in the NHL. He was probably the best player at the faceoff dot in OHL this year, already a good skater, really sound positionally, strong on the puck.

25. Ryan Chesley RD
26. Kevin Korchinski LD
27. Nathan Gaucher C
28. Lian Bichsel LD
29. Jagger Firkus RW
30. Viktor Neuchev F
31. Isaac Howard LW
32. Artyom Duda LD

Duda is a late riser here. I really liked some of his puck plays in MHL games. 6’1 LD has promising-looking hands, shot, vision and skating skills. I see something unique in his offensive game, I can’t explain it well and put it into words yet but I feel quite confident that people will start to notice his special qualities eventually once he’s taken his first shifts on NA ice.

I’m definitely not a fan of Gaucher’s hands and vision, but a center of his size and physical, effective, north-south playing style is a valuable piece to any NHL forward group.

Firkus is the player I’ve watched the most this year along with Mateychuk. I’d say he’s got near-elite offensive IQ. Crazy wrist shot. Unpredictable, versatile and skilled passer. Certainly a risky pick - if you pick him you gotta hope and pray he starts to bulk up and work on his skating, especially on acceleration.

Neuchev reminds me of Kucherov with his elegant puck poise. Vision and passing skills however are nowhere close to Kucherov, he’s definitely a offensive player with shoot-first mentality. Don’t get me wrong, I think he can recognize patterns on the play while having puck on his stick, and then deke through defense and do a skillful pass, but IMO it hasn’t looked like he was able to do really quick reads on passing opportunities when time and space were more limited. Still a very intriguing F prospect with unique talent, there’s massive steal potential with this pick.

33. Filip Mesar RW
34. Tristan Luneau RD
35. Alexander Perevalov LW
36. Reid Schaefer LW
37. Mattias Havelid RD
38. Lane Hutson LD
39. Ivan Miroshnichenko RW
40. Seamus Casey RD

Some may argue that Mesar and Luneau should be ranked higher, and maybe they’re right. I just haven’t seen them enough to realize their greatness as prospects. Luneau seems to play solid all-around game without really shining at any part of the game. To me, Mesar is one of those small and fast wingers who most likely will never play in the top-6 of an NHL team’s forward lines but will excel at lower levels. I wonder what he’s able to do with the puck in smaller rinks where he has less time and space to make plays. Perevalov is decent sized two-way winger with noticeable skillset, including an excellent shooting ability. Schaefer is less skilled but plays more physical game, seems he’s still very underrated in the internet scouting communities. I didn’t know where to throw Miro’s name on this list, in my view he has looked too talented in the games prior to his cancer diagnosis to be left out of this list so I thought he should deserve at least a 2nd round ranking.

41. Paul Ludwinski C
42. Adam Sykora LW
43. Calle Odelius LD
44. David Goyette C
45. Sam Rinzel RD

Ludwinski is another late riser. I really liked his speed and energy in the games I have rewatched lately. Odelius strikes to me as a tad smaller, left-handed Luneau. Great two-way D but puck skills and skating aren’t great enough to see a first round ranking. Goyette was originally much higher on my list but after a disappointing U18 tournament I started to discover more players in this same late 1st/early 2nd range who seemed to be more ready for the next level, physically and mentally. That said, there’s still significant upside in him, his production may explode next year in Sudbury.

46. Logan Morrison C
47. Isaiah George LD
48. Julian Lutz LW
49. Matthew Seminoff RW
50. Noah Warren

OHL playoffs MVP Morrison should hear his name called in the first two rounds this year despite being ’02 born overager. Plays both ways, pass-first mentality, can be at center or wing, high end hockey IQ. Not the strongest or fastest skater though, so needs to work on it. Has swagger and playmaking skills that reminds me a little of Johansen and Giroux.

If George learns to play a bit smarter and calmer game with the puck, he should be a great two-way top-6 D on an NHL team, has tools and is physically quite developed. Coaching might be crucial with his development. Seminoff is slightly more skilled, Calvert/Dorsett-esque warrior without proper fighting skills. I’m sure he’ll be a fan favorite for the team that drafts him. He displays that unreal ”never quit” mindset and competitiveness on every shift which will get everybody in the building fired up.
 
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I don't think either have much bust potential. I see more red flags with Wright actually.



I'm a tad confused because you didn't rank the guy that reminded you of Brian Leetch. I don't see it personally, Chesley can shoot but his passing game is getting poor marks. I had him mid-first because I like his defending so much but in the blackbook they have scouts saying that he makes poor puck decisions under pressure. He seems more like an Andrew Peeke type. One advantage though is that Chesley is a lot closer to NHL ready, his defensive game is polished and he has pro level strength already.


What do you see with Lekkerimaki and Geekie?
Fair questions! I publicly embrace my internal contradictions!

The Chesley-Leetch comp is mostly what I feel (or maybe what I want to see) - the similar frame and multi-dimensional skillset. I read that he may never produce points in the NHL, and that's usually what teams want from a defenseman taken high in the first round, So I'm okay with thinking of him as a late first-round choice. But if he is there at 44 I will be yelling loud enough for Jarmo to hear me in Montreal.

With Geekie, I like his size - it's a skill you can't coach and in his case, you don't need to hope or project. I've read he needs to simplify his game and may lack every-shift passion, but I think those are traits that might be developed. There seems to be general agreement he will play center in the NHL, and that's attractive - I am sort of burnt out on "we can always move him to the wing" types.

With Lekkerimäki, I like that he's playing against pros as a 17-year old, in what I believe is regarded as a high-quality league. I like his speed and am okay with a guy who prefers to snipe from the perimeter. He may show more grit inside as he matures. And I give him bonus points for the umlaut.
 

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I guess it’s time to reveal my final top-50. In the last 7 months I have mainly watched and focused on WHL, OHL and international tournaments, so the effect of that bias might be prominent in this list.

Names with no color coding are players I’ve seen in 0-5 games this season.
Reds: 6-10 games.
Blues: 10+ games.

1. Simon Nemec RD
2. Juraj Slafkovsky LW
3. Shane Wright C
4. Logan Cooley C
5. David Jiricek RD

I have Nemec ranked 1OA but honestly it could be anyone of this group. There’s no clear #1 in this draft class for me. Jiricek and Slafkovsky may have greater upsides than the rest but Slaf is kind of a slow skater and isn’t showing exceptionally high hockey IQ in every game, and Jiricek’s skillset is very raw and his understanding of the game has left me unimpressed many times. There is some recklessness in the ways he approaches some puck battles and races that have made me worry if his career may end a lot sooner than it should. I think he has to learn to be smarter in that regard to avoid Klesla-like, injury-filled career.

6. Denton Mateychuk LD
7. Cutter Gauthier C/LW
8. Frank Nazar C/RW

I have already written quite a bit about Mateychuk, he’s probably my favorite player of this draft. Anticipates most plays very quickly, and is constantly looking for ways to make an impact on the ice. Particular skill I value very high in defensemen is puck retrievals in DZ, and he might be the best draft eligible D I’ve seen in that particular area of DZ game. I was tempted to leave Nazar out of my top-10 thanks to underwhelming performances in the U18 final rounds, but at the end of the day I’m still a huge fan of his potential.

9. Pavel Mintyukov LD
10. Marco Kasper C
11. Noah Ostlund C
12. Rutger McGroarty C
13. Danila Yurov RW
14. Jimmy Snuggerud C

Mintyukov is obviously really gifted, a few years down the road he may have become the best D of this class. I’ve been concerned of his D zone play and risky decisions he’s done on offense. OZ off-puck movement looks very smart at times, but sometimes it seemed as if he wasn’t prepared for the type of plays that are most likely going to occur. It’s like he has one kind of offensive play in mind that could actualise and which would look nice if it happened, and then he just goes for the play he visualizes but which doesn’t have the greatest chance of happening. This is one of the reasons Mateychuk is higher on my list, he seems more attuned and mature in these situations, makes better reads in general and is also more focused in DZ trying to cover and box out opposing players, rather than spend time puck watching and hoping for some low-percentage outcome from the play.

Ostlund is my favorite Swede this year. Elusive skater with slick hands and super high hockey IQ, could be a steal in the 2nd round if he falls that far. Snuggerud might be a tad too high here according to many experts, maybe there isn’t enough flash and speed to impress most people. I think his 200ft game and skillset are underappreciated, smart 6’2 two-way forward with a hard shot should carve himself a long NHL career.

15. Connor Geekie C
16. Matthew Savoie C
17. Jiri Kulich C
18. Liam Ohgren LW

Kulich and Ohgren seem to be most NHL-ready players of these 4 forwards. I put Geekie ahead of other 3 mainly because of size difference. I don’t see any of them as a future top line player. All may become great middle-6 wingers or centers, they have enough tools and willingness to play a responsible two-way game.

19. Jonathan Lekkerimaki RW
20. Owen Pickering LD
21. Brad Lambert C/RW
22. Gleb Trikozov C
23. Owen Beck C
24. Joakim Kemell RW

Yeah, Kemell and Lekkerimaki are rather low in my list in contrast to consensus. Haven’t watched them a lot, and in the very little I saw (U18s) either one was making enough high end skill/vision plays which I expect from 5’11 or shorter players to earn a top-18 ranking on my list.

I’m not a big believer in Pickering’s offensive abilities at NHL level - doesn’t have very smooth hands, slow release, lacks high end vision. I can see him settle for mid or bottom pair shut-down role and be really solid at it. Chesley and Bichsel are both great at defending as well, Chesley’s shorter frame caused him to drop to a lower position than Pickering. Bichsel could be a lot higher if I had seen full games of him during the year. I really don’t know what to think of his potential, at least seems mobile for a big guy who likes to get physical.

I’m having trouble at ranking all Russian forwards this year, Trikozov may have the most complete skillset of them all so I placed him second after Yurov. Beck should be an excellent defensive center in the NHL. He was probably the best player at the faceoff dot in OHL this year, already a good skater, really sound positionally, strong on the puck.

25. Ryan Chesley RD
26. Kevin Korchinski LD
27. Nathan Gaucher C
28. Lian Bichsel LD
29. Jagger Firkus RW
30. Viktor Neuchev F
31. Isaac Howard LW
32. Artyom Duda LD

Duda is a late riser here. I really liked some of his puck plays in MHL games. 6’1 LD has promising-looking hands, shot, vision and skating skills. I see something unique in his offensive game, I can’t explain it well and put it into words yet but I feel quite confident that people will start to notice his special qualities eventually once he’s taken his first shifts on NA ice.

I’m definitely not a fan of Gaucher’s hands and vision, but a center of his size and physical, effective, north-south playing style is a valuable piece to any NHL forward group.

Firkus is the player I’ve watched the most this year along with Mateychuk. I’d say he’s got near-elite offensive IQ. Crazy wrist shot. Unpredictable, versatile and skilled passer. Certainly a risky pick - if you pick him you gotta hope and pray he starts to bulk up and work on his skating, especially on acceleration.

Neuchev reminds me of Kucherov with his elegant puck poise. Vision and passing skills however are nowhere close to Kucherov, he’s definitely a offensive player with shoot-first mentality. Don’t get me wrong, I think he can recognize patterns on the play while having puck on his stick, and then deke through defense and do a skillful pass, but IMO it hasn’t looked like he was able to do really quick reads on passing opportunities when time and space were more limited. Still a very intriguing F prospect with unique talent, there’s massive steal potential with this pick.

33. Filip Mesar RW
34. Tristan Luneau RD
35. Alexander Perevalov LW
36. Reid Schaefer LW
37. Mattias Havelid RD
38. Lane Hutson LD
39. Ivan Miroshnichenko RW
40. Seamus Casey RD

Some may argue that Mesar and Luneau should be ranked higher, and maybe they’re right. I just haven’t seen them enough to realize their greatness as prospects. Luneau seems to play solid all-around game without really shining at any part of the game. To me, Mesar is one of those small and fast wingers who most likely will never play in the top-6 of an NHL team’s forward lines but will excel at lower levels. I wonder what he’s able to do with the puck in smaller rinks where he has less time and space to make plays. Perevalov is decent sized two-way winger with noticeable skillset, including an excellent shooting ability. Schaefer is less skilled but plays more physical game, seems he’s still very underrated in the internet scouting communities. I didn’t know where to throw Miro’s name on this list, in my view he has looked too talented in the games prior to his cancer diagnosis to be left out of this list so I thought he should deserve at least a 2nd round ranking.

41. Paul Ludwinski C
42. Adam Sykora LW
43. Calle Odelius LD
44. David Goyette C
45. Sam Rinzel RD

Ludwinski is another late riser. I really liked his speed and energy in the games I have rewatched lately. Odelius strikes to me as a tad smaller, left-handed Luneau. Great two-way D but puck skills and skating aren’t great enough to see a first round ranking. Goyette was originally much higher on my list but after a disappointing U18 tournament I started to discover more players in this same late 1st/early 2nd range who seemed to be more ready for the next level, physically and mentally. That said, there’s still significant upside in him, his production may explode next year in Sudbury.

46. Logan Morrison C
47. Isaiah George LD
48. Julian Lutz LW
49. Matthew Seminoff RW
50. Noah Warren

OHL playoffs MVP Morrison should hear his name called in the first two rounds this year despite being ’02 born overager. Plays both ways, pass-first mentality, can be at center or wing, high end hockey IQ. Not the strongest or fastest skater though, so needs to work on it. Has swagger and playmaking skills that reminds me a little of Johansen and Giroux.

If George learns to play a bit smarter and calmer game with the puck, he should be a great two-way top-6 D on an NHL team, has tools and is physically quite developed. Coaching might be crucial with his development. Seminoff is slightly more skilled, Calvert/Dorsett-esque warrior without proper fighting skills. I’m sure he’ll be a fan favorite for the team that drafts him. He displays that unreal ”never quit” mindset and competitiveness on every shift which will get everybody in the building fired up.
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Bob McKenzies final list it out. Top 10:

1. Slaf - 5 votes for 1st
2. Wright -4 Votes for 1st
3. Cooley - 1 Vote for 1st
4. Nemec
5. Gauthier
6. Jiricek
7. Kemell
8. Lekkerimaki
9. Savoie
10. Kasper

Bob has nailed the past 10 number 1 overall picks but this will be interesting to see who goes first this year.

Jackets seem to be in a solid position at 6 but if Wright slips to 2 would they move up to grab him? His stock seems to be falling.

Edit: Slafkovsky edges Wright for top spot in McKenzie’s final draft ranking - TSN.ca
 
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At 12 I would rather draft someone like Kasper than someone like Lambert.

Id rather have a Phillip Denault type center than draft a guy who has a 20% chance to be a star, 40% chance to be average, and 40% be a bust. (There is absolutely no science behind these percentages - I just made them up.) Will Denault ever be a star? No. Is he an incredibly impactful player that every playoff team would love to have? Yes.
I mean prime Danault would be great but I don’t think depth will be an issue moving forward.

Laine, Johnson, Sillinger, Bjorkstrand, Jenner, whoever they pick at 6.
The question is and will be will anyone of them be good enough to be the best player on a contender so I’d aim for potential at 12, whoever you feel has the highest ceiling there.

It doesn’t have to be Lambert, he was just a name to make a point.
Go for the ceiling
 

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I don't hate Slafkovsky, I just feel like I've read this book before. Big players with skill who perform in tournaments get a lot of hype in the draft. I think there's a much better chance he ends up the 5th-6th best player than the best.
 
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If Jersey move that pick they move it for win now help.
I doubt they want to move down.
Yeah maybe so. I guess the argument for them moving down is that they dont need another center in Wright, but Im not sure having too much center depth is actually a real issue
 

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. I think there's a much better chance he ends up the 5th-6th best player than the best.

Most scouts seem to be saying the same for Shane Wright. He looks more like a low-motor 2C.

I'd pass on 6 and 12 for Wright at 2. For Cooley though? That's a really hard one for me. I'm 50/50 on that.

I'd prefer Cooley to Wright but I'd also prefer Jiricek+Nazar or Gauthier+Mintyukov over any single player.
 

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Most scouts seem to be saying the same for Shane Wright. He looks more like a low-motor 2C.



I'd prefer Cooley to Wright but I'd also prefer Jiricek+Nazar or Gauthier+Mintyukov over any single player.
Wright is a very interesting case. I have Cooley as my #1 but it's hard to knock Wright down too far. He's been so good in the past. What is the reason for his disappointing year? I'm trying to find other comparisons of guys who were supposed to be first overall and slipped. Nolan Patrick had injury history, Angelo Esposito just flat out sucked, what is it with Wright?
 

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Yeah maybe so. I guess the argument for them moving down is that they dont need another center in Wright, but Im not sure having too much center depth is actually a real issue

If you’ve followed the rumours they all say they looked at getting NHL ready players.
For them it’s about time to take the next step
 

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I know people expected him to score a lot more, but he was still really really good



His scoring was lower than expected but it really wasn't an issue that would move him out of 1st OA. Still pretty good numbers.

It was more watching him play and seeing how low his battle level was. He was getting outcompeted by much lesser players. He pretty much only scores with shooting and passing and positional iq. You'll rarely see Wright win a puck in the corner and drive the net, or make some cutbacks to turn a defender inside out, or roll off a check with a power move to pull another defender over and pass to an open teammate. The thinking is that there is only so much he can do with his current skill set in the NHL. Obviously if he can unlock something in his training and change his energy level, then everything changes. We don't really know, at least publicly, why he lost his energy.

FWIW in some drafts you'll have half a dozen Canadian juniors with a 99 or 100 offensive grade, so it doesn't tell you too much by itself. The defensive grade being only 66 vs juniors is more interesting, that would have been closer to 100 for a Danault or Bergeron level defensive forward. I knew that Wright wasn't as good defensively as he is often billed because he loses puck battles and doesn't fully engage physically. He's got a brilliant mind but you need to work your tail off to be a great defensive player.

Wright is a very interesting case. I have Cooley as my #1 but it's hard to knock Wright down too far. He's been so good in the past. What is the reason for his disappointing year? I'm trying to find other comparisons of guys who were supposed to be first overall and slipped. Nolan Patrick had injury history, Angelo Esposito just flat out sucked, what is it with Wright?

I don't know. It is an unusually flat development curve. When he grew in to his body he might have just lost his energy permanently. Or maybe his trainers have him some bad advice and he'll figure it out and become a great player.
 

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Everything I hear about wright is that he does the small things so well but he isn’t flashy.

You know what, I’m not opposed to that concept in general for an anchor of a center. The big concern is he might not put up huge points. Well, I’m kicking the tires hard if he isn’t 1oa because once the pressure is off of “he is a generational talent 1oa exceptional status”…. He sounds like the kind of player I really like
 
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