Not as bad as Geekie - both were listed as average skaters or above average skaters
2022 Draft Thread - July 7-8 (CBJ to pick 6th (via CHI) and 12th overall)
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Not as bad as Geekie - both were listed as average skaters or above average skaters
At least regarding Sillinger's skating I don't think this report was the common view. Although I like that the black book gave him a 9 in compete.
They easily had him higher than anyone else at 5th.KJ had some really nice edgework, just lacking strength in his stride.
KJ Dangler
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I’m hoping Sillinger joins the Boone Jenner skating school , as Boones skating seemed to improve tremendously .. KJ , I think as he gets stronger , skating will be a strength of his , his edgework, anticipation, and shiftiness are huge strengths .At least regarding Sillinger's skating I don't think this report was the common view. Although I like that the black book gave him a 9 in compete.
KJ had some really nice edgework, just lacking strength in his stride.
I just don’t see the point on Geekie , unless you feel he can be a number 1 center .. we already have Jenner , Roslovic , Texier , Sillinger and Kuraly. Especially if Lambert / Nazar is available
LazyCircuits
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I don’t see the defensive ability to play centre with Geekie. I think he ends up as a wing in the NHL.
Xoggz22
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Interestingly, many "experts" see him as one of the pure centers. Savoie was moved to wing on Geekie's line many situations. I have no idea but from my view he seems like a center but certainly has bust potential if he can't improve his skating. He has his warts but he has upside as well. I'd still take Kasper and Gauthier over him or move the risk pick to the 2nd round as there are other big C's with question marks in a similar manner (Sapovaliv for example - I like him in the 2nd - among others. Just an example)
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Would you look at that? Nazar #2!?
I’ll I’m sayin is that Nazar seems like a safe pick to me. He will develop at Michigan (like everyone else that has gone there) and come out ready to make an impact. Even guys like JT Compher and Tyler Motte developed into solid NHL players through UM.
Cowumbus
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I apologize if it has been discussed before but has anyone seen this Lane Hutson kid? He’s got strength and good skating ability… @majormajor ?
Looks like a Walmart brand Cale Makar here
Looks like a Walmart brand Cale Makar here
I wouldn't call him strong, the size concerns are very real for Hutson. He gets dinged and pushed off pucks. A lot of ability but if he ever makes it it might be as one of a kind. He came into the combine at 5'8 158 lbs, there's no prototype for that.
Some teams will think he won't make it. Some will think he'll make it but don't want to build their team around small D. So Hutson is likely to make it at least into the 2nd round.
**** I did hear that Hutson went to the combine bearing a letter from his endocrinologist that said his growth plates were still open and that he should still be growing for another year or two. That is rare for his age. But if true, and if he can make it up to say, 5'11, then he's suddenly fitting the prototype of some great D-men. I personally won't be assessing that sort of thing in my list, it's just impossible for me to judge, but I do think that sort of information is exactly what teams will be combing over when they're deciding whether to make the plunge with Hutson.
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I think the knock on him is his size and he is pure offense. He supposedly often looks like the best player on the USNTDP, but will his game translate to the NHL? I heard someone say he is like if Johnny Gudreau played defense.
I'm really shocked some player, include Nazar, Cooley or our Sýkora.Would you look at that? Nazar #2!?
I’ll I’m sayin is that Nazar seems like a safe pick to me. He will develop at Michigan (like everyone else that has gone there) and come out ready to make an impact. Even guys like JT Compher and Tyler Motte developed into solid NHL players through UM.
I honestly would like to see if we can get a late first or an early second. This draft has good depth I think.
Also I'm starting to feel like years from now this draft will be viewed as a better defenseman class than a forward class. Jiricek, Nemec, Mintyukov, Mateychuk, Pickering, Hutson, Casey, Chesley all could be good, plus some others I didn't mention. I was previously slightly leaning Mateychuk over Mintyukov but I've flipped on that because I like them both about equally so size is the tiebreaker. My dream draft was 6th Nazar, 12th Mintyukov but I wonder if I have the order flipped in terms of what's most likely. Central scouting would lead me to believe so at least.
I'm still not as sold on Gauthier as most of you guys are. To me his interviews and approach will be crucial. I think he will be alright no matter what but if he's obsessed at a near Kent Johnson level he could become a very special player. When I watch him I think he has a lot of work to do in order to "put it all together" in the NHL.
Also I'm starting to feel like years from now this draft will be viewed as a better defenseman class than a forward class. Jiricek, Nemec, Mintyukov, Mateychuk, Pickering, Hutson, Casey, Chesley all could be good, plus some others I didn't mention. I was previously slightly leaning Mateychuk over Mintyukov but I've flipped on that because I like them both about equally so size is the tiebreaker. My dream draft was 6th Nazar, 12th Mintyukov but I wonder if I have the order flipped in terms of what's most likely. Central scouting would lead me to believe so at least.
I'm still not as sold on Gauthier as most of you guys are. To me his interviews and approach will be crucial. I think he will be alright no matter what but if he's obsessed at a near Kent Johnson level he could become a very special player. When I watch him I think he has a lot of work to do in order to "put it all together" in the NHL.
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I was very high on Miroshnichenko before he fell ill. I'd still love the option to take a chance on him. Big wild card in terms of where he'll get drafted (could be top 15, could be 2nd round) and what he'll become (could be 1st line, could never play in NHL). Love the tool kit (I know a few of you don't, that's cool). I just don't see a way to get it done. The 12th pick likely doesn't carry enough weight to get a mid 1st and early 2nd or late 1st - although recently I have heard "experts" start to say it's a clear top 6 (includes Gauthier now) and then a top 15 that separates in this draft.
I can't justify taking him at 12th but a little later (say 16th?) and then pick up an early 2nd and take Filip Bystedt (Big C with excellent skating). That combo could be the risk you take in a draft like this. I still think we end up with Gauthier and Mintyukov (6/12) or Nemec/Jiricek and Kasper. And that too would be awesome in my book. Hell maybe Miroshnichenko falls all the way to 44 for us in the 2nd. That would be a home run any way you slice it (in my book)
I can't justify taking him at 12th but a little later (say 16th?) and then pick up an early 2nd and take Filip Bystedt (Big C with excellent skating). That combo could be the risk you take in a draft like this. I still think we end up with Gauthier and Mintyukov (6/12) or Nemec/Jiricek and Kasper. And that too would be awesome in my book. Hell maybe Miroshnichenko falls all the way to 44 for us in the 2nd. That would be a home run any way you slice it (in my book)
koteka
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I could see trading with Buffalo if they want to move up to grab a particular player. They have 3 first round picks.
#6 for the #9 and #16
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#12 and #44 for #16 and #28.
Maybe we need to add a little.
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I don’t see Jarmo trading down at 6.
He’ll want to find that high end piece as I doubt they are looking at drafting in the top10 again in the near future and the depth isn’t looking like a concern with Werenski, Boqvist, Laine, Bjorkstrand, Sillinger, Johnson and so on.
Missing out on their potential 1C( or 1RD) is not worth the trade down.
Nemec might be there at #6 but I'm starting to sour on him a bit. I had him at 8th on my list, so that's probably low enough, but I just don't see much high end anything coming from him. I see him looking very average at the NHL level.
I think you might get the idea from this Scouching profile. Side note: A lot of this data is hard to parse because it's a lot of short sample junk from players in wildly differing leagues. It doesn't tell you much. But from the game video I just see Nemec as a very average player. He has a bit of speed and skill advantage in the Slovak league that he won't have in the NHL unless he gets a lot quicker and a lot better. He has shown big improvement from the point this year but his underlying physical tools might not get him much further.
I think you might get the idea from this Scouching profile. Side note: A lot of this data is hard to parse because it's a lot of short sample junk from players in wildly differing leagues. It doesn't tell you much. But from the game video I just see Nemec as a very average player. He has a bit of speed and skill advantage in the Slovak league that he won't have in the NHL unless he gets a lot quicker and a lot better. He has shown big improvement from the point this year but his underlying physical tools might not get him much further.
I would also love a late 1st or early 2nd. Some guys that have a chance of being there that I'd jump to get are Ostlund, Firkus, Beck, Chesley, or Trikozov.
As far as the D goes, I like the class. The guys you mentioned should go in the top 20 or so picks except I'm not sure how far Casey and Hutson will fall. Casey probably goes late 1st or early 2nd. Hutson might slip past our 2nd rounder even. Most teams didn't even interview him, I don't know if the Jackets were one of them. Personally, my interest in Hutson is piqued if I expect him to keep growing. If he doesn't grow, he's the Johnny Gaudreau of defenders and I don't think I even want that.
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Devils fan here with a question for Bluejackets fans.
Is their an appetite in trading both 1st rounders for Pick 2?
Devils can add their 2nd round pick to the deal and a player such as Jesper Boqvist (Adam's big bro) or Pavel Zacha or Andres Johnsson or Tomas Tatar.
It will guarantee that you get a 1C in Cooley.
Is their an appetite in trading both 1st rounders for Pick 2?
Devils can add their 2nd round pick to the deal and a player such as Jesper Boqvist (Adam's big bro) or Pavel Zacha or Andres Johnsson or Tomas Tatar.
It will guarantee that you get a 1C in Cooley.
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That's too much value for #2.
Zacha, Johnsson, and Tatar provide no value to this team given what they are and how they play.
I'd do like 6+a 2nd or 3rd
Or 12 + like foudy
I think the consensus is that we don’t feel like the player we get at 6 will be significantly worse than the player we’d take at 2, if there’s even a difference on Jarmos wild and crazy draft board.
I'm relatively high on Cooley so I'd at least think about it.
The value is reasonable as far as a generic draft goes. This year I might say it is too flat to justify trading up. It is a good question.
If Jarmo and company feel there is a big gap from the player they will get at 6 versus 2 then yes, I hope they consider it.
For example if they think Cooley is that guy for them and we can finally solve our top 6 center issues to go along with Sillinger then I hope they do it.
That said it just doesn’t seem like there is much of a gap from 6 to 2 but you never know on Jarmo’s board.
Interesting proposal nonetheless.
koteka
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I think the trade to move up for the Jackets is with Arizona. 6 and 12 for 3 and one of those Arizona picks in the 30s. If Arizona wants local boy Gauthier but doesn’t want to draft him at 3. Assuming Wright is first and the Devils don’t move the pick and take Slafkovsky, then the Jackets can grab Cooley at 3 and should still have a decent pick in the early 30s to grab a defenseman (Luneau? Warren?) or some forward that Jarmo likes. 6 and 12 for Cooley seems like too much if we can the 6 and 12 for Cooley and some other pretty good prospect instead.
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