Prospect Info: 2022 Draft Prospects, Part II
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Thanks… I dumbly cut off the pick number and closed the tab. I think it was
3 Slafkovsky
32 Perevalov
34 Firkus
48 Chesley
64 Lamoureux
I think!
not like this is going to happen anyway but
3 Slafkovsky
32 Perevalov
34 Firkus
48 Chesley
64 Lamoureux
I think!
not like this is going to happen anyway butIf the pick numbers are accurate, this is actually all possible except for Chesley at #48. The site has an extremely dumb ranking of him -- Chesley is the type of player GMs love and I can't see him falling past the top 20. Everything else here is within the realm of possibility.Thanks… I dumbly cut off the pick number and closed the tab. I think it was
3 Slafkovsky
32 Perevalov
34 Firkus
48 Chesley
64 Lamoureux
I think!
I might try the draft engine again, but without drafting guys who are unrealistic to be there at a specific spot.
Considered a very weak draft for goalies. Tyler Brennan of Prince George WHL is probably the top ranked, and he could fall to the 3rd round.
That sucks. I guess we’re going to have to settle for any scraps we can get. Thank you as always for the reply!
Guadana
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We can take overagers, sign free agents from europs and NCAA students.
It was
3 Slafkovsky
30 Perevalov
34 Firkus
38 Chesley
44 Lamoureux
69 Schaeffer
101 Koromyslov
165 Ali
197 Bell
I did two pick swaps. The start randomized the lottery and Devils won the lottery. I traded down to 3 and got back 30 and 32 I think then traded some of that and lower picks. It was fun and totally unlikely
FinnishDevil
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Where do overager goalies usually go? Nick Malik is currently lighting up Liiga - .920 in regular season and currently .950 in playoffs for 8th seed KooKoo. I was surprised to find out no one drafted him yet since apparently he has been eligible for 2 years. Had a good year in Czech last year too.
Yeah, so that would be the most ridiculous draft ever. But it sure is nice to dream.It was
3 Slafkovsky
30 Perevalov
34 Firkus
38 Chesley
44 Lamoureux
69 Schaeffer
101 Koromyslov
165 Ali
197 Bell
I did two pick swaps. The start randomized the lottery and Devils won the lottery. I traded down to 3 and got back 30 and 32 I think then traded some of that and lower picks. It was fun and totally unlikely
I was a bit bummed the draft engine did not include overages. I tried to take Logan Morrison in the 6th round but he wasn't available. Those guys need to get to work!
Nico Daws was an overage goalie when NJ drafted him. I'm not sure where Malik goes, goalies are very difficult to pinpoint.
C Luca Del Bel Belluz, Mississauga OHL
Del Bel Belluz is a very skilled hockey player who came out of virtually nowhere this year to become one of the best players in the OHL. With 30 goals and 43 assists for 73 points through 65 games, he has emerged as a possible pick as high as the late 1st round for the 2022 draft. Though his consensus ranking would probably be in the early 2nd round range, he has garnered 1st rankings from multiple scouting bureaus, including an anomalous high ranking of #16 overall from TSN's Craig Button. Is Del Bel Belluz worth a pick in the top 20?
What we have here is a very skilled center with good size (6'1-180), decent skates, a high in-game awareness and several projectable tools. Del Bel Belluz is at his best with the puck, as all of his puck skills can be rated as high-end. He is an excellent puck-handler, with excellent vision and a terrific shot. Though none of his tools are quite in the "elite" end, Del Bel Belluz's puck skills are terrific both when analyzed separately or when working in tandem, and this is his calling card as an NHL prospect. Del Bel Belluz has to be considered a kid with 2C upside at the highest levels, and he offers very good scoring potential.
We also must scrutinize the reasons why, despite so many positives, Del Bel Belluz is generally considered to be a 2nd rounder by the consensus. Personally, I have a few questions about his athleticism. His skating is average to above average, but not very explosive. He can keep up, but it certainly is not an asset. His strength is also something Del Bel Belluz will need a lot of work improving -- I've seen him outmuscled for pucks by much smaller players. This is not a question of Del Bel Belluz's compete level, which is perfectly good. It's just some kids are physically strong for their size, and some are not. I feel Del Bel Belluz needs a lot of time with skating coaches and in the weight room, but the upside is clearly there.
I'm going to agree with the consensus the Del Bel Belluz is a perfect pick for the top half of the 2nd round. If everything goes well in development, there is certainly the potential for a 60+ point 2C. This is a player who is outstanding with the puck and very smart. He's a dual-threat who can beat high-level opposition with both the shot and the pass. He's a center possessing several weapons at his disposal, and as such Luca Del Bel Belluz should hear his name called very early on Day Two of the NHL Draft.
Del Bel Belluz is a very skilled hockey player who came out of virtually nowhere this year to become one of the best players in the OHL. With 30 goals and 43 assists for 73 points through 65 games, he has emerged as a possible pick as high as the late 1st round for the 2022 draft. Though his consensus ranking would probably be in the early 2nd round range, he has garnered 1st rankings from multiple scouting bureaus, including an anomalous high ranking of #16 overall from TSN's Craig Button. Is Del Bel Belluz worth a pick in the top 20?
What we have here is a very skilled center with good size (6'1-180), decent skates, a high in-game awareness and several projectable tools. Del Bel Belluz is at his best with the puck, as all of his puck skills can be rated as high-end. He is an excellent puck-handler, with excellent vision and a terrific shot. Though none of his tools are quite in the "elite" end, Del Bel Belluz's puck skills are terrific both when analyzed separately or when working in tandem, and this is his calling card as an NHL prospect. Del Bel Belluz has to be considered a kid with 2C upside at the highest levels, and he offers very good scoring potential.
We also must scrutinize the reasons why, despite so many positives, Del Bel Belluz is generally considered to be a 2nd rounder by the consensus. Personally, I have a few questions about his athleticism. His skating is average to above average, but not very explosive. He can keep up, but it certainly is not an asset. His strength is also something Del Bel Belluz will need a lot of work improving -- I've seen him outmuscled for pucks by much smaller players. This is not a question of Del Bel Belluz's compete level, which is perfectly good. It's just some kids are physically strong for their size, and some are not. I feel Del Bel Belluz needs a lot of time with skating coaches and in the weight room, but the upside is clearly there.
I'm going to agree with the consensus the Del Bel Belluz is a perfect pick for the top half of the 2nd round. If everything goes well in development, there is certainly the potential for a 60+ point 2C. This is a player who is outstanding with the puck and very smart. He's a dual-threat who can beat high-level opposition with both the shot and the pass. He's a center possessing several weapons at his disposal, and as such Luca Del Bel Belluz should hear his name called very early on Day Two of the NHL Draft.
2022 Draft Profile:
RW Zakary Lavoie, Mississauga OHL
Lavoie has received little to no attention leading up to the 2022 draft because of a lack of speed or size (5'11-170) -- a combination which normally gets a player overlooked unless they are putting up just absurd point production. I wanted to write him up however, because this is a kid who is just a hockey player, a high-compete ball of courage who squeezes the most out of his natural abilities and leaves everything on the ice, shift in and shift out. I think he has the gumption and heart to make the NHL as a bottom 6 winger, and as such he's worth a flyer in the 6th or 7th round.
I don't think anyone has told Lavoie he's just 170 pounds. He plays like a 220-pound power forward. Everything is funneled to the net -- he's a volume shooter with the puck, and without it he's always crease crashing. I'd say his foremost strengths are his shot -- which is very good -- and his propensity for finding and burying rebounds. Thus far this year, Lavoie has accumulated 21 goals for the Steelheads, and he's a valuable contributor in their top 6. Lavoie is also a ferocious forechecker and hits anything in sight. Defenseman twice his size? He doesn't care. Lavoie is not fast, but his low skating stance and relative strength makes him a bit of a cannonball, routinely upending much larger opponents, much to their surprise and chagrin. Zakary Lavoie is a pain in the ass, and that's a big compliment.
Of course, the lack of speed will be a limitation going forward. Lavoie is also not a player to wow with his puck skills. He's a catch-and-release player -- either put it on net or dish it off to a teammate who is more adept at creating. But we should not be looking at Zakary Lavoie for what he is not, but rather for what he is -- and that's a heart and soul player with some scoring ability and the possibility of being a very good contributor for your bottom 6 someday.
RW Zakary Lavoie, Mississauga OHL
Lavoie has received little to no attention leading up to the 2022 draft because of a lack of speed or size (5'11-170) -- a combination which normally gets a player overlooked unless they are putting up just absurd point production. I wanted to write him up however, because this is a kid who is just a hockey player, a high-compete ball of courage who squeezes the most out of his natural abilities and leaves everything on the ice, shift in and shift out. I think he has the gumption and heart to make the NHL as a bottom 6 winger, and as such he's worth a flyer in the 6th or 7th round.
I don't think anyone has told Lavoie he's just 170 pounds. He plays like a 220-pound power forward. Everything is funneled to the net -- he's a volume shooter with the puck, and without it he's always crease crashing. I'd say his foremost strengths are his shot -- which is very good -- and his propensity for finding and burying rebounds. Thus far this year, Lavoie has accumulated 21 goals for the Steelheads, and he's a valuable contributor in their top 6. Lavoie is also a ferocious forechecker and hits anything in sight. Defenseman twice his size? He doesn't care. Lavoie is not fast, but his low skating stance and relative strength makes him a bit of a cannonball, routinely upending much larger opponents, much to their surprise and chagrin. Zakary Lavoie is a pain in the ass, and that's a big compliment.
Of course, the lack of speed will be a limitation going forward. Lavoie is also not a player to wow with his puck skills. He's a catch-and-release player -- either put it on net or dish it off to a teammate who is more adept at creating. But we should not be looking at Zakary Lavoie for what he is not, but rather for what he is -- and that's a heart and soul player with some scoring ability and the possibility of being a very good contributor for your bottom 6 someday.
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2022 Draft Profile:
C Owen Beck, Mississauga OHL
Owen Beck is the penultimate two-way center. Offensively, he's good without being necessarily gifted, and has produced admirably with 21 goals and 51 points in 66 games for Mississauga as the 2nd line center behind Luca Del Bel Belluz. Defensively is where Beck really shines, as he's one of the better shut-down pivots in the OHL -- playing a cerebral brand of hockey off the puck which frustrates opponents with regularity. He's a kid with very good size and strength at 6'0-190, and it's also safe to call him a good skater, though he's by no means a burner.
Owen Beck's primary offensive weapon is his brain. This is one of the highest hockey IQs in the OHL, if not the 2022 draft class. He processes the game at an extraordinarily high rate, and while he's not a dangler or high-vision passer, he can make the opposition look just as silly as an elite-skills player by out-thinking them on the fly. I've seen him enter the zone 1-on-3 while his teammates were in the midst of a line change, then fake a dump-in to turn one defender around, then make two quick moves to spread the other out and take the puck outside, where he actually turned a nothing play into extended zone possession for the Steelheads. This is the type of player Beck is -- while his skills are not quite that of a #1 center, he's so smart and cool he just squeezes every iota out of his natural abilities.
Beck is one of the best transition centers in the league. Despite ceding top PP unit duties to Del Bel Belluz and playing without high end talent on the 2nd line, Beck almost singlehandedly makes his line one of the more formidable units in the league. Everything in his line goes through him -- he's the best player on his team in the defensive zone with high-end instincts and puck-hawking skills combined with a high motor. In transition, he's a beast -- this is a kid who is always looking to enter with possession, but also a player who is team-first and responsible and rarely turns the puck over. In the offensive zone, again Beck is the driver. Though he lacks a high-end shot and his puck skills rate as good-not-great, every play he makes is so smart you immediately realize it was the right decision as soon as he makes it. This is a player you want on your team, plain and simple.
Beck's consensus ranking is probably in the top half of the 2nd round. I've seen him get a few 1st round rankings with a high ranking of #23 from Elite Prospects. I've also seen him underrated by a few in the bottom of the 2nd round, as with Craig Button's #58 ranking. But he's just such a good player, no one is dropping him into the 3rd. For me, Beck has a shot to squeeze into the tail end of my 1st round rankings. There's just so much to like about this player. He will help you in offense, in defense, in transition and possession. Though he lacks the pure skill to make it as a regular for your top 6, I'd say Owen Beck is almost the penultimate 3rd line center. His advanced processing of the game raises his floor so much that I would call him as can't-miss as any player taken after the top 10 or 12 overall in the 2022 draft. This is a terrific hockey player.
C Owen Beck, Mississauga OHL
Owen Beck is the penultimate two-way center. Offensively, he's good without being necessarily gifted, and has produced admirably with 21 goals and 51 points in 66 games for Mississauga as the 2nd line center behind Luca Del Bel Belluz. Defensively is where Beck really shines, as he's one of the better shut-down pivots in the OHL -- playing a cerebral brand of hockey off the puck which frustrates opponents with regularity. He's a kid with very good size and strength at 6'0-190, and it's also safe to call him a good skater, though he's by no means a burner.
Owen Beck's primary offensive weapon is his brain. This is one of the highest hockey IQs in the OHL, if not the 2022 draft class. He processes the game at an extraordinarily high rate, and while he's not a dangler or high-vision passer, he can make the opposition look just as silly as an elite-skills player by out-thinking them on the fly. I've seen him enter the zone 1-on-3 while his teammates were in the midst of a line change, then fake a dump-in to turn one defender around, then make two quick moves to spread the other out and take the puck outside, where he actually turned a nothing play into extended zone possession for the Steelheads. This is the type of player Beck is -- while his skills are not quite that of a #1 center, he's so smart and cool he just squeezes every iota out of his natural abilities.
Beck is one of the best transition centers in the league. Despite ceding top PP unit duties to Del Bel Belluz and playing without high end talent on the 2nd line, Beck almost singlehandedly makes his line one of the more formidable units in the league. Everything in his line goes through him -- he's the best player on his team in the defensive zone with high-end instincts and puck-hawking skills combined with a high motor. In transition, he's a beast -- this is a kid who is always looking to enter with possession, but also a player who is team-first and responsible and rarely turns the puck over. In the offensive zone, again Beck is the driver. Though he lacks a high-end shot and his puck skills rate as good-not-great, every play he makes is so smart you immediately realize it was the right decision as soon as he makes it. This is a player you want on your team, plain and simple.
Beck's consensus ranking is probably in the top half of the 2nd round. I've seen him get a few 1st round rankings with a high ranking of #23 from Elite Prospects. I've also seen him underrated by a few in the bottom of the 2nd round, as with Craig Button's #58 ranking. But he's just such a good player, no one is dropping him into the 3rd. For me, Beck has a shot to squeeze into the tail end of my 1st round rankings. There's just so much to like about this player. He will help you in offense, in defense, in transition and possession. Though he lacks the pure skill to make it as a regular for your top 6, I'd say Owen Beck is almost the penultimate 3rd line center. His advanced processing of the game raises his floor so much that I would call him as can't-miss as any player taken after the top 10 or 12 overall in the 2022 draft. This is a terrific hockey player.
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Nick Malek was 10th (out of 13) on European Goalies Central Scouting European Goalies list in 2021.
I was ashamed (ASHAMED I TELL YOU) to discover that Jakub Malek was 10th (out of 10) in CS EG 2020. I missed that after whining he was never listed.
Nick was the top goalie on the U20 Czech team and that tends to get you some love at least in the late rounds. Nick was listed at 6’1” and 177 though and he also didn’t play much that season. He came over to play in the OHL in his draft year and didn’t do all that well so that didn’t help his cause.
The draft was light on goalies due to COVID and teams emphasized size (to put it mildly). He’s listed as 6’2” now which helps him.
We drafted overager Malek at #100, OA can go whenever. His play in the SHL means he could possibly go early, and by that I mean the 2nd Rd, but I don’t know what people are saying about him now.
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Don't be ashamed.Nick Malek was 10th (out of 13) on European Goalies Central Scouting European Goalies list in 2021.
I was ashamed (ASHAMED I TELL YOU) to discover that Jakub Malek was 10th (out of 10) in CS EG 2020. I missed that after whining he was never listed.
Nick was the top goalie on the U20 Czech team and that tends to get you some love at least in the late rounds. Nick was listed at 6’1” and 177 though and he also didn’t play much that season. He came over to play in the OHL in his draft year and didn’t do all that well so that didn’t help his cause.
The draft was light on goalies due to COVID and teams emphasized size (to put it mildly). He’s listed as 6’2” now which helps him.
We drafted overager Malek at #100, OA can go whenever. His play in the SHL means he could possibly go early, and by that I mean the 2nd Rd, but I don’t know what people are saying about him now.
2022 rankings:
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2022 Draft Profile:
LW Mikey Milne, Winnipeg WHL
I'm writing Milne up now, because I had a friend ask me about the top over-agers for the 2022 draft, and Milne cannot be left out of the conversation. A September 2002 birthdate, Milne was passed over for the 2021 draft despite PPG numbers, probably because of a lack of high-end speed, size or scoring tools. But we're also talking about a kid with one of the highest motors in the 2022 draft, a tremendous forechecker and top-notch defensive forward with a high-IQ and a propensity for puck-hawking. We can pick apart his tools until we're blue in the face, but it won't change the fact that Mikey Milne is an exceptional hockey player.
From the outset of the 2021-22 campaign, Milne has essentially been attached to the LW of the second line for the high-octane Winnipeg Ice. The reasoning for this is simple -- Winnipeg's 2C is Conor Geekie, who is not the best defensive pivot around and Milne is the best defensive forward on the team. Just having Milne out there frees Geekie up to take more chances offensively. What is also impressive, is that despite being extremely defensively responsible and positionally conservative, Milne has still produced outstanding numbers: 35 goals, 37 assists, 72 points in 64 games.
Milne is an above average skater, but he's not fast. He plays faster because his instincts are so terrific -- it's easier to win those puck races once you've had a head start of anticipating the play. He's one of the best forecheckers in the WHL, if not the best. He uses deception and relentless energy to drive opposing defenders batty as they try to clear the zone and begin transition. Milne is an effective A/B passer, which is to say he's not very creative, but he finds the open man and gets the puck to him. Without the puck, Milne will crash the crease and plays with the physicality and courage of a 6'3 power forward even though he's averaged sized at 5'11-185.
I give Milne a very high likelihood of making an NHL bottom 6, and as such it would be criminal if he went undrafted again in 2022. The sum here is so much greater than the parts, that any singular analysis just doesn't do him justice. He makes every player he plays with better, always hustling and supporting in his own zone, while digging out pucks and crashing creases in the offensive zone. Mikey Milne is a hockey player. He's a great pick from the 4th round on, and if he slips any later he's an absolute steal.
LW Mikey Milne, Winnipeg WHL
I'm writing Milne up now, because I had a friend ask me about the top over-agers for the 2022 draft, and Milne cannot be left out of the conversation. A September 2002 birthdate, Milne was passed over for the 2021 draft despite PPG numbers, probably because of a lack of high-end speed, size or scoring tools. But we're also talking about a kid with one of the highest motors in the 2022 draft, a tremendous forechecker and top-notch defensive forward with a high-IQ and a propensity for puck-hawking. We can pick apart his tools until we're blue in the face, but it won't change the fact that Mikey Milne is an exceptional hockey player.
From the outset of the 2021-22 campaign, Milne has essentially been attached to the LW of the second line for the high-octane Winnipeg Ice. The reasoning for this is simple -- Winnipeg's 2C is Conor Geekie, who is not the best defensive pivot around and Milne is the best defensive forward on the team. Just having Milne out there frees Geekie up to take more chances offensively. What is also impressive, is that despite being extremely defensively responsible and positionally conservative, Milne has still produced outstanding numbers: 35 goals, 37 assists, 72 points in 64 games.
Milne is an above average skater, but he's not fast. He plays faster because his instincts are so terrific -- it's easier to win those puck races once you've had a head start of anticipating the play. He's one of the best forecheckers in the WHL, if not the best. He uses deception and relentless energy to drive opposing defenders batty as they try to clear the zone and begin transition. Milne is an effective A/B passer, which is to say he's not very creative, but he finds the open man and gets the puck to him. Without the puck, Milne will crash the crease and plays with the physicality and courage of a 6'3 power forward even though he's averaged sized at 5'11-185.
I give Milne a very high likelihood of making an NHL bottom 6, and as such it would be criminal if he went undrafted again in 2022. The sum here is so much greater than the parts, that any singular analysis just doesn't do him justice. He makes every player he plays with better, always hustling and supporting in his own zone, while digging out pucks and crashing creases in the offensive zone. Mikey Milne is a hockey player. He's a great pick from the 4th round on, and if he slips any later he's an absolute steal.
Not sure what's going on these player profile paragraphs but I can think of at least a few ways to interpret them:
a) @StevenToddIves is just mixing up the names of Mississauga Steelheads and Niagara IceDogs. He's actually talking about Zakary Lavoie and Owen Beck of the Mississauga Steelheads.
b) He's describing some of the Niagara Ice Dogs players that are not named Owen Beck and Zakary Lavoie.
c) Lavoie and Beck have actually played for the Ice Dogs at some point this season, we're just not aware of that.
d) He typed "Ice Dogs" there on purpose just to see if anyone notices, for finding out how many of us are really reading these profiles.
e) More than one of the above
f) None of the above
Thanks, you got me. I'll fix it.Not sure what's going on these player profile paragraphs but I can think of at least a few ways to interpret them:
a) @StevenToddIves is just mixing up the names of Mississauga Steelheads and Niagara IceDogs. He's actually talking about Zakary Lavoie and Owen Beck of the Mississauga Steelheads.
b) He's describing some of the Niagara Ice Dogs players that are not named Owen Beck and Zakary Lavoie.
c) Lavoie and Beck have actually played for the Ice Dogs at some point this season, we're just not aware of that.
d) He typed "Ice Dogs" there on purpose just to see if anyone notices, for finding out how many of us are really reading these profiles.
e) More than one of the above
f) None of the above
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Okay...I know I'm not the brightest bulb in the house here but can someone remind me what an Overager is?
Tao Jersey Jones
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20+ in juniors, usually fifth+ year players. 24+, Grad (fifth year) in NCAA.
I look at it from my own perspective but in terms of draftees, I think anyone who wasn't drafted during their first year of eligibility. We've done it quite a bit since Castron came aboard. Shara was drafted in his +1 for instance. Think Rykov was another.
Pretty sure the guys who finish college, whether they went 5th year or not, just go UFA. Less sure but still think the same is true of the 20+ year olds coming out of Canada juniors.
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Shara was actually drafted in his +2. Was first eligible in 2016 went in 2018.
There you go.
Tyce Thompson, Nico Daws, Shara, I mentioned Rykov. Looks like Malek last year is another one.
We've had a lot of picks since Castron came on board, but I'd bet we drafted more "overagers" then any other team in that time.
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