2022 Draft Discussion (after the trade)

[Raccoon Jesus]

I would rather see them take swings with multiple picks on players that the scouting staff feels has the highest upside.
Depending on which players drop on draft day I would rather they trade back the #19 pick for picks #30 and #34.

With how this team has done in the second round vs the 1st, they should give up their entire draft for four 2nd rounders!

 

[Rekingsfan17]

With how this team has done in the second round vs the 1st, they should give up their entire draft for four 2nd rounders!

I agree.......I think the scouting staff is willing to take bigger swings in the second round and go for the players with the higher upside even if the floor lower.
If Arizona really likes a player at pick #19, and the Kings don't so much, I would like for the Kings to trade down for picks #30 and #34.

 

[kingsfan]

I agree.......I think the scouting staff is willing to take bigger swings in the second round and go for the players with the higher upside even if the floor lower.
If Arizona really likes a player at pick #19, and the Kings don't so much, I would like for the Kings to trade down for picks #30 and #34.

Pass on trading back 11 spots in the first round for a good second. There's precident for deals like those and they don't tend to favor the team trading back. Additionally, we have a lot of prospects as is, so we need quality, not quantity. If we were to trade back, I'd want something in the 23-26 range along with a high 2nd or I'd rather just stay put.

As for Lambert and Miroshnichenko, LA is so deep and is in need of potentially elite offensive playmakers that much that we absolutely should swing for the fences. This is the year to do if we keep the pick. Unless either of those kids have a significant character flaw, I'd be more than happy to see us pick one. Preference would be for Miroshnichenko.

 

[Rekingsfan17]

Pass on trading back 11 spots in the first round for a good second. There's precident for deals like those and they don't tend to favor the team trading back. Additionally, we have a lot of prospects as is, so we need quality, not quantity. If we were to trade back, I'd want something in the 23-26 range along with a high 2nd or I'd rather just stay put.

As for Lambert and Miroshnichenko, LA is so deep and is in need of potentially elite offensive playmakers that much that we absolutely should swing for the fences. This is the year to do if we keep the pick. Unless either of those kids have a significant character flaw, I'd be more than happy to see us pick one. Preference would be for Miroshnichenko.

Yeah that sounds pretty good as well. The closest the draft simulator would accept a trade asset value wise just using draft picks was trading pick #19 down for picks #24 and #59. So it would be a later 2nd round instead of a high second. The Kings scouting staff might be able to find better gems at #30 and #34 over picks #24 and #59.
I would rather a player the Kings scouting staff has ranked much higher falls to them at #19 instead of trading back. I just want them to go for the prospect with the highest upside on their list and not the safest pick.....

It would be awesome if Lambert or Miroshnichenko fell to the Kings. I would be really surprised if Lambert fell that far but look at were the Kings picked Kaliyev.

 

[YP44]

too early to talk about trading back IMO.
I think LA should take BPA or package the pick for an impact player. Two biggest holes for me are getting a finisher and a legit top 4 LHD

 

[Peter James Bond II]

The Kings should not trade back. If anything, trade up, if they see a player they want that is falling past 10ish.

There will be a few of these at 19 as it stands.
Korchinski, Mintyukov, Geekie, Gauthier, McGroarty, Snuggerud, Bichsel, Ohgren, Kasper, Mesar, Kulich.
The Kings don't need quantity - they need quality.

Just no more RHD for 2 more drafts! Unless Faber wants out. He seems like the type that if he truly wanted to sign with the Wild, he would tell Blake that was his intention, to give him a chance to trade him there.
I hope that's not the case. I would be worried if he does not sign mext year. I don't think the Wild woud trade Jesper Wallstedt or Boldy. But theres LHD Carson Lambos. Not sure if I would want Rossi. The possible health issue and not wanting any smallish centers.

 

[Docgonzo]

See you take the 32nd pick, package it with a couple of prospects for a LhD or a impact winger. Profit.

 

[Mats26]

I always liked Lambos, if we can deal a RD for him I would, but Faber would be a huge loss regardless. I hope he stays and is part of this core.

 

[Rekingsfan17]

The Kings should not trade back. If anything, trade up, if they see a player they want that is falling past 10ish.

There will be a few of these at 19 as it stands.
Korchinski, Mintyukov, Geekie, Gauthier, McGroarty, Snuggerud, Bichsel, Ohgren, Kasper, Mesar, Kulich.
The Kings don't need quantity - they need quality.

Just no more RHD for 2 more drafts! Unless Faber wants out. He seems like the type that if he truly wanted to sign with the Wild, he would tell Blake that was his intention, to give him a chance to trade him there.
I hope that's not the case. I would be worried if he does not sign mext year. I don't think the Wild woud trade Jesper Wallstedt or Boldy. But theres LHD Carson Lambos. Not sure if I would want Rossi. The possible health issue and not wanting any smallish centers.

I REALLY like Bichsel and I think he could eventually fill our LHD need. He probably needs 2 or three years to develop. I hope the Kings pick him......

I also REALLY like Warren. I know we have too many RHD but the Kings don't have any that are like him. Huge defensive minded defenseman that can skate and lays massive hits. If the Kings have the chance I hope they draft him and package one of our other RHD prospects for their/our other needs......

 

[lumbergh]

See you take the 32nd pick, package it with a couple of prospects for a LhD or a impact winger. Profit.

I see what you did there.

 

[kingsfan]

Yeah that sounds pretty good as well. The closest the draft simulator would accept a trade asset value wise just using draft picks was trading pick #19 down for picks #24 and #59. So it would be a later 2nd round instead of a high second. The Kings scouting staff might be able to find better gems at #30 and #34 over picks #24 and #59.
I would rather a player the Kings scouting staff has ranked much higher falls to them at #19 instead of trading back. I just want them to go for the prospect with the highest upside on their list and not the safest pick.....

It would be awesome if Lambert or Miroshnichenko fell to the Kings. I would be really surprised if Lambert fell that far but look at were the Kings picked Kaliyev.

We have picked safe in the first round, which is an issue. Turcotte was probably BPA on most teams lists at that pick, same with Byfield and Bjornfot is a lower ceiling but higher floor type too. Vilardi likely should have been gone by the time we picked, Clarke same thing and Kupari at 20 wasn't much of a reach.

It's likely why we do better in round two than one (in terms of players exceeding draft value), by round two the guys without serious question marks are gone and you're gambling on guys with one or more flaws (like skating for Kaliyev). LA is just arguably better at figuring out which flawed guys are better at panning out than others.

The biggest downside to this is LA is likely to get a bunch of avergae to above average players, but not likely to get a stud unless they hit on a lottery ticket in the third to seventh rounds, like Brayden Point, Kucherov, Kaprizov, etc.

 

[Herby]

We have picked safe in the first round, which is an issue. Turcotte was probably BPA on most teams lists at that pick, same with Byfield and Bjornfot is a lower ceiling but higher floor type too. Vilardi likely should have been gone by the time we picked, Clarke same thing and Kupari at 20 wasn't much of a reach.

It's likely why we do better in round two than one (in terms of players exceeding draft value), by round two the guys without serious question marks are gone and you're gambling on guys with one or more flaws (like skating for Kaliyev). LA is just arguably better at figuring out which flawed guys are better at panning out than others.

The biggest downside to this is LA is likely to get a bunch of avergae to above average players, but not likely to get a stud unless they hit on a lottery ticket in the third to seventh rounds, like Brayden Point, Kucherov, Kaprizov, etc.

I think under Blake a case can be made that the Kings are the worst drafting team in the league in the 1st round and the best drafting team in the league outside of the 1st round. It is truly a fascinating thing, one that isn't discussed as much here as I think it should be. How does something like that come to be? I know with some teams the talk is the GM makes the 1st round picks and often defers to the scouts in the later rounds, I wonder if that is the case in LA.

The last part, those guys should be compliments to already drafted stars, and in the case of a guy like Point, when added with superstars is a true difference maker. The problem for the Kings now is, if you draft a Brayden Point clone he is going to be entering the Kings as the best offensive prospect on the team, and that just minimizes his value as far as building a championship because you probably aren't winning it all with Brayden Point as your best player.

And another problem with the Kings 1st round picks is so many of them have all shown their pre-draft red flags while not showcasing any of their pre-draft strengths yet at the NHL level.

Vilardi it was skating and injuries. He got hurt and struggles to keep up with the play
Turcotte it was offensive ceiling and injuries. He got hurt and has struggled to score since being drafted
Byfield it was assertiveness in the offensive zone. He has struggled to play and forecheck well in the O-zone

 

[Fat Elvis]

Being Hindsight guy is easy work. Try being Foresight guy and pick a name who they should draft this year. Then don't use excuses like injuries when said player doesn't hit their potential. Slightly more difficult.

Keep the "they should of drafted this guy 4 years ago instead" to a thread not named 2022 Draft Discussion. Start a new thread named Captain Hindsight and bitch and moan about what could of been IF. That way I can just ignore all those expert takes.

 

[Schrute farms]

Being Hindsight guy is easy work. Try being Foresight guy and pick a name who they should draft this year. Then don't use excuses like injuries when said player doesn't hit their potential. Slightly more difficult.

Keep the "they should of drafted this guy 4 years ago instead" to a thread not named 2022 Draft Discussion. Start a new thread named Captain Hindsight and bitch and moan about what could of been IF. That way I can just ignore all those expert takes.

Agree 100%

The problem is that internet guy is like the ESPN/etc. show talking heads that mention all these guys and sure one will do great. So they pat themselves on the back for that one guy; and conveniently ignore the 95% of the times when they were flat out loud & wrong.

 

[fivehole32]

See: Hugh Jessiman in Dustin Brown's draft.

 

[kingsfan]

Agree 100%

The problem is that internet guy is like the ESPN/etc. show talking heads that mention all these guys and sure one will do great. So they pat themselves on the back for that one guy; and conveniently ignore the 95% of the times when they were flat out loud & wrong.

Yep. If you agreed or disagreed with a pick, don't change your mind post-draft.

At this point I'll say the Vilardi pick was the wrong choice. I know injuries definitely played into that, but he took a step back from last year and frankly last year wasn't that special either. That said, I'll defend the pick because it is the exact same pick I would have made in that spot. On draft day getting Vilardi at 11 was a steal, possibly the steal of the draft similar to Cam Fowler falling to Anaheim. No way I fault Blake and co. for that one. Same with Byfield and most of their first rounders. The only 1st round pick I didn't like is Bjornfot, and he obviously hasn't been to bad at all. I had Raphael Lavoie at the top of my list at the time the pick was on the clock so I can't say at this point I was any smarter.

 

[Rekingsfan17]

Yep. If you agreed or disagreed with a pick, don't change your mind post-draft.

At this point I'll say the Vilardi pick was the wrong choice. I know injuries definitely played into that, but he took a step back from last year and frankly last year wasn't that special either. That said, I'll defend the pick because it is the exact same pick I would have made in that spot. On draft day getting Vilardi at 11 was a steal, possibly the steal of the draft similar to Cam Fowler falling to Anaheim. No way I fault Blake and co. for that one. Same with Byfield and most of their first rounders. The only 1st round pick I didn't like is Bjornfot, and he obviously hasn't been to bad at all. I had Raphael Lavoie at the top of my list at the time the pick was on the clock so I can't say at this point I was any smarter.

I had Phillip Tomasino at the top of my board at that pick......

 

[kingsfan]

I had Phillip Tomasino at the top of my board at that pick......

Nice. I had Tomasino third. Second was Ryan Suzuki for me.

 

[kilowatt]

Yep. If you agreed or disagreed with a pick, don't change your mind post-draft.

At this point I'll say the Vilardi pick was the wrong choice. I know injuries definitely played into that, but he took a step back from last year and frankly last year wasn't that special either. That said, I'll defend the pick because it is the exact same pick I would have made in that spot. On draft day getting Vilardi at 11 was a steal, possibly the steal of the draft similar to Cam Fowler falling to Anaheim. No way I fault Blake and co. for that one. Same with Byfield and most of their first rounders. The only 1st round pick I didn't like is Bjornfot, and he obviously hasn't been to bad at all. I had Raphael Lavoie at the top of my list at the time the pick was on the clock so I can't say at this point I was any smarter.

I had Kaliyev. But we got him anyway

 

[funky]

I had Kaliyev. But we got him anyway

So did I. Was shocked we didn’t take him. Worked out well in the end.

 

[kingsfan]

I had Kaliyev 23rd overall on my list. In one mock draft I do with some other draft nerd buddies, he went 10th. He was certainly a love him or hate him type at draft time, thankfully he was hated just enough for us to steal him in the 2nd round.

 

[Schrute farms]

I wanted Thomasino at our pick. But i have to be honest, it had nothing to do with any hockey knowledge about the kid -- i just thought his name sounded cool/fun

 

[Mcsorley47]

McGroarty is our pick this year!

Would love Bichsel but will he’ll be gone early to mid-teens.

 

[Vino]

I think under Blake a case can be made that the Kings are the worst drafting team in the league in the 1st round and the best drafting team in the league outside of the 1st round. It is truly a fascinating thing, one that isn't discussed as much here as I think it should be. How does something like that come to be? I know with some teams the talk is the GM makes the 1st round picks and often defers to the scouts in the later rounds, I wonder if that is the case in LA.

Anatomy of a Draft Pick – How the Kings Decided on Quinton Byfield

mayorsmanor.com

“The scouting staff brings Rob Blake all the information,” Yannetti said. “They bring him the process, the information, and a recommendation. That being said, Rob is the boss and he makes the decision. If the staff presents something completely foreign to what Rob’s decision would want to be, there would be a lot more discussion before we got to the end.”

In this case, the staff didn’t recommend anybody different.

“We said it’s razor thin, but we like Byfield better than player B,” Yannetti emphatically stated. “Rob didn’t make a decision in that moment either. He took all the information in and then he had the ability to review it at his leisure. A couple weeks later, he told me the direction he wanted to go. Based on how he wants the team to play, it’s easy for me to understand why that was the pick.”

If I remember right Yannetti said also before the draft in the podcast, that it's Blake's decision who is #2 overall pick.

edit.

Kings 2nd round picks 2017 - 2022

#41 Jaret Anderson-Dolan

#51 Akil Thomas

#33 Arthur Kaliyev
#50 Samuel Fagemo

#35 Helge Grans
#45 Brock Faber

#42 Francesco Pinelli
#59 Samuel Helenius

Has Kings done well or just okei? Most likely they will trade JAD during the summer and Thomas and Fagemo are so-and-so prospects.

Grans-Faber-Pinelli-Helenius - after next season it's easier to said have they (Yanetti&co) found another gem like Kaliyev.

2nd round pick #60 2020 was wasted, when they used it to get Lias Andersson.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

I REALLY like Bichsel and I think he could eventually fill our LHD need. He probably needs 2 or three years to develop. I hope the Kings pick him......

I also REALLY like Warren. I know we have too many RHD but the Kings don't have any that are like him. Huge defensive minded defenseman that can skate and lays massive hits. If the Kings have the chance I hope they draft him and package one of our other RHD prospects for their/our other needs......

Sounds like Cernak... How good would he have looked laying out McDavid, Draisaitl, and Kane every play? Also saw he was Tampa's go to guy late in the game last night.