2022 Draft Discussion (after the trade)

[Raccoon Jesus]

Teubert was a weird one because he's the kind of guy who should have thrived in that era but was just such a bricks-for-brains guy with such a stupidly inflated ego that he couldn't even just simplify his game and be a glass-and-out'er

He also should have been a cautionary tale against the continual drafting of low-offense big 'shutdown' d-men early in the draft but well the 2010s were a funny time

 

[Docgonzo]

Teubert was a weird one because he's the kind of guy who should have thrived in that era but was just such a bricks-for-brains guy with such a stupidly inflated ego that he couldn't even just simplify his game and be a glass-and-out'er

He also should have been a cautionary tale against the continual drafting of low-offense big 'shutdown' d-men early in the draft but well the 2010s were a funny time

Yup, there’s a good list of stay home defenders drafted in the first round that never live up to their draft position. Save those players for the later rounds.

 

[All The Kings Men]

Yup, there’s a good list of stay home defenders drafted in the first round that never live up to their draft position. Save those players for the later rounds.

and THEN when they exceed their draft position and go on to become totally effective partners for your franchise level defensemen OVERLOOK THEM because of their "pedestrian" draft pedigree and typical growing pains and continue to pine after oft injured defenseman on other teams that WERE drafted in the first round despite the fact that they've played their entire career with the Coyotes and there's no guarantee that they would be even half the player Mikey Anderson is and wait this got away from me...

 

[kingsfan]

I don't disagree with Drew, though I would also add a goaltender. Likely he didn't mention that because Quicky is his bud and he was also pretty solid this year, but Quick's not what he was and is 36 years old. Peterson has the potential but man last year wasn't good. Really, if we don't address our goaltending our only hope of going deep is to wish for some luck like what Edmonton has had at times. The remaining starting netminders ae Vasilevsky, Shesterkin, Kuemper (until he got hurt) and Mike Smith. One of those doesn't belong and we're not much better than the Oilers between the pipes unless Peterson starts earning his paycheque.

But we are heading into an important off-season and trying to build on a playoff qualifier. The answer there will come via trade in the short-term, not the draft. This draft looks like the perfect one to throw a mid-round pick at a goalie anyway.

Drew's right in that we need a goalscorer. Defensemen with size are a little easier to find on the trade market or in free agency than goalscorers. I'm still hoping for a guy like Ivan Miroshnichenko, but Danila Yurov, Jonathan Lekkerimaki and Frank Nazar are more likely options. Cutter Gauthier would likely be a more sure-fire top six player, though his ceiling is likely not quite as high and he should be gone by the time we pick anyway.

Every draft has some kid picked outside the first round that is an easy top 10 pick if you were to do a redraft five years down the line and I think Miroshnichenko is a great wager to be that guy. The way he's trending right now, we may even get him in the second round.

 

[Sol]

Don’t worry guys, Lintuniemi is going to be a big deal

 

[Vino]

Teubert had size, physically, and toughness – all traits DL was targeting in that pick.

As we have heard from Yanetti several times unless (2) players are equal in their rankings across the board, BPA all day every day. Draft for need and The Hockey Gods will bite you in the ass down the road.

If I remember right, they hoped that Teubert could be next Jeff Beukeboom. Just like NY Rangers hoped same thing, when they took Dylan McIlrath 2010. Bust and another bust.

I just hate phrase/term "BPA", because it's so inaccurate, so subjective. In my mind it means nothing. It's just a explanation, when you pick a player which you like. Of course Blake/Yanetti thougth 2019, that Alex Turcotte was BPA, therefore they drafted him. But if 5th overall pick would have been Detroit's, Buffalo's, Edmonton's, Anaheim's, Vancouver's etc. pick, would Turcotte been their choiche?

 

[SFKingshomer]

I was about to bring up Jiri Kulich...

Slafkovsky intrigued by Devils, No. 1 International skater for 2022 Draft | NHL.com

Kulich planning to stay in Czech Republic; Brennan a 'lion' in goal; Nemec eyes North America next season on Day 4 of Combine

www.nhl.com

Pastrnak on every other team. Branko Radivojevic on the Kings...

 

[Mats26]

If I remember right, they hoped that Teubert could be next Jeff Beukeboom. Just like NY Rangers hoped same thing, when they took Dylan McIlrath 2010. Bust and another bust.

I just hate phrase/term "BPA", because it's so inaccurate, so subjective. In my mind it means nothing. It's just a explanation, when you pick a player which you like. Of course Blake/Yanetti thougth 2019, that Alex Turcotte was BPA, therefore they drafted him. But if 5th overall pick would have been Detroit's, Buffalo's, Edmonton's, Anaheim's, Vancouver's etc. pick, would Turcotte been their choiche?

Thank you, I have been saying that for a while. Just because we took Turcotte at 5 doesn't mean he was the best choice at 5(BPA). Habs had Zegras at 3, other teams had different lists. He was the best 2-way player in their eyes and went for him after Byram was off the board.

 

[Nasti]

Even with Teubert busting, DL still got Doughty and Voynov out of that draft.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Thank you, I have been saying that for a while. Just because we took Turcotte at 5 doesn't mean he was the best choice at 5(BPA). Habs had Zegras at 3, other teams had different lists. He was the best 2-way player in their eyes and went for him after Byram was off the board.

Bob McKenzie had Turcotte at 4.
Sam Cosentino had Turcotte at 4.
Ryan Kennedy had Turcotte at 3.
Chris Peters had Turcotte at 3.
Wheeler had Turcotte at 3.
THW had Turcotte at 4.
Pronman had Turcotte at 3.

Sure, everyone had different lists/preferences. But this growing revisionist take that Turcotte was some non-consensus pick is bonkers.

 

[ricardfromage]

We haven't even seen our kids like Kaliyev/Chromiak/AndersonD/Turcotte/Byfield to name a few play two full seasons with the big club and some of us are sort of writing them off? Ask any other teams fans if they wouldn't kill to get any of those kids on their team or in their systems and you will hear a resounding YES.

Our kids are still top notch. Our top 6 is really really hard to break into and while sure some of our kids have gotten their beaks wet here and there up there none of them have been given the time that it takes to take the next step just yet and while arguably for good reason (have to earn you spot) but still they are far from not being great picks.

Next year will be Kaliyev's second season. He play injury free and build on the successes he had this past season. I think we will see a marked improvement in his overall game. Same can be said for the rest of our kids. Our D is beyond stacked with players like Anderson, Durzi, Bjornfot and Spence to name a few who have already requited themselves quite well during their time in the NHL with Anderson and Toby already earning their spots on the team. We have several talented/skilled forwards working their way onto the big club and some highly talented kids waiting for their chances. It kind of freaks me out to see a few of us denigrating some of our kids. Everybody is entitled to their opinions but we are about to become one of the top teams in the league and it is largely due to our kids both forwards and D.

 

[Mats26]

Bob McKenzie had Turcotte at 4.
Sam Cosentino had Turcotte at 4.
Ryan Kennedy had Turcotte at 3.
Chris Peters had Turcotte at 3.
Wheeler had Turcotte at 3.
THW had Turcotte at 4.
Pronman had Turcotte at 3.

Sure, everyone had different lists/preferences. But this growing revisionist take that Turcotte was some non-consensus pick is bonkers.

Where was Seider ranked???

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

Where was Seider ranked???

 

[Statto]

Where was Seider ranked???

What’s that got to do with Turcottes ranking? Or am I missing something… which is entirely possible.

 

[King'sPawn]

Where was Seider ranked???

Teens - 20s. Here's an article that ranked the prospects based on a collection of independent scouting services: We looked at 14 sources to come up with EOTP’s Consensus NHL Draft Rankings

But more specifically, McKenzie had Seider ranked 16th based on polls of independent scouts: Americans set to dominate first round of the NHL Draft - TSN.ca

 

[Schrute farms]

We haven't even seen our kids like Kaliyev/Chromiak/AndersonD/Turcotte/Byfield to name a few play two full seasons with the big club and some of us are sort of writing them off? Ask any other teams fans if they wouldn't kill to get any of those kids on their team or in their systems and you will hear a resounding YES.

Our kids are still top notch. Our top 6 is really really hard to break into and while sure some of our kids have gotten their beaks wet here and there up there none of them have been given the time that it takes to take the next step just yet and while arguably for good reason (have to earn you spot) but still they are far from not being great picks.

Next year will be Kaliyev's second season. He play injury free and build on the successes he had this past season. I think we will see a marked improvement in his overall game. Same can be said for the rest of our kids. Our D is beyond stacked with players like Anderson, Durzi, Bjornfot and Spence to name a few who have already requited themselves quite well during their time in the NHL with Anderson and Toby already earning their spots on the team. We have several talented/skilled forwards working their way onto the big club and some highly talented kids waiting for their chances. It kind of freaks me out to see a few of us denigrating some of our kids. Everybody is entitled to their opinions but we are about to become one of the top teams in the league and it is largely due to our kids both forwards and D.

Amen brother.
Sometimes it's like an obituary with the young guys on here. I fully understand the frustartion offensively -- as a team and with the young guys. In a perfect world, the hyped guys hit full speed day 1. But that's just not realistic all the time. It's a marathon and we're like barely 1-2 miles in. Enjoy the ride.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Where was Seider ranked???

Actually, this is a good illustrative strawman, thanks.

Seider was teens to twenties depending on who you asked--and Yzerman took that huge risk on him and was absolutely correct. It was an excellent pick--that also had the potential for being a Thomas Hickey blowback move had it not panned out ("Yzerman thinks he looks like a genius and jumped 10 picks to snag a guy who isn't even in the NHL when he could have had X," etc.)

Turcotte was generally ranked higher than we picked--it's still up in the air where he lands but it's hard to fault Blake for the thought process when even the usual gold standards had him higher than Blake did. People keep painting Turcotte as we drafted some low-potential two-way grinder at the time but that's incompatible with rankings and, again, just revisionist history for people's self-stroking.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Bobby Clarke was ripping into Ron Hextall for taking Nolan Patrick over Cale Makar. The general consensus among scouting publications had Patrick as either the #1 or #2 prospect in 2017, and look at him now.

Of course, in Yzerman's case with Seider, you look like a genius when that pick becomes a top flight player, and you look less smart when you draft the next Thomas Hickey. That also goes to show you maybe perhaps other scouting staffs have a better eye in identifying talent. The Oilers took Broberg over Zegras, and the Flyers selected Cam York ahead of Cole Caufield.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Bobby Clarke was ripping into Ron Hextall for taking Nolan Patrick over Cale Makar. The general consensus among scouting publications had Patrick as either the #1 or #2 prospect in 2017, and look at him now.

Of course, in Yzerman's case with Seider, you look like a genius when that pick becomes a top flight player, and you look less smart when you draft the next Thomas Hickey. That also goes to show you maybe perhaps other scouting staffs have a better eye in identifying talent. The Oilers took Broberg over Zegras, and the Flyers selected Cam York ahead of Cole Caufield.

Didn't one of the scouts come out & correct Clarke, pointing out it was Heiskanen that they wanted & not Makar?

 

[apocalypse]

I really hope we grab a goalie in the 2nd/3rd round. That's a pipeline that needs filling.

Nah you can sign a goalie or trade for one. Look at Campbell. He's available right now.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Didn't one of the scouts come out & correct Clarke, pointing out it was Heiskanen that they wanted & not Makar?

I believe you’re right. Either one would’ve been a significantly better selection over Nolan Patrick, who seemed to have peaked as a junior player.

 

[Mats26]

What’s that got to do with Turcottes ranking? Or am I missing something… which is entirely possible.

Teens - 20s. Here's an article that ranked the prospects based on a collection of independent scouting services: We looked at 14 sources to come up with EOTP’s Consensus NHL Draft Rankings

But more specifically, McKenzie had Seider ranked 16th based on polls of independent scouts: Americans set to dominate first round of the NHL Draft - TSN.ca

Actually, this is a good illustrative strawman, thanks.

Seider was teens to twenties depending on who you asked--and Yzerman took that huge risk on him and was absolutely correct. It was an excellent pick--that also had the potential for being a Thomas Hickey blowback move had it not panned out ("Yzerman thinks he looks like a genius and jumped 10 picks to snag a guy who isn't even in the NHL when he could have had X," etc.)

Turcotte was generally ranked higher than we picked--it's still up in the air where he lands but it's hard to fault Blake for the thought process when even the usual gold standards had him higher than Blake did. People keep painting Turcotte as we drafted some low-potential two-way grinder at the time but that's incompatible with rankings and, again, just revisionist history for people's self-stroking.

The whole point here don't put too much weight on where players are ranked. We have a scouting team that is paid well and it's up to them to pick the BPA. I am 100% certain no 2 teams has the same draft list. Detroit with pick 6 was almost booed out of the arena, who is laughing now.

The fact that a top 5 pick was ranked high means nothing when the scouting team thinks Turcotte was the 2nd best player on that US team, when they clearly dropped the ball scouting Zegras.

So like a poster said BPA could be 30 different players depending on the team drafting in that position.

 

[Peter James Bond III]

We haven't even seen our kids like Kaliyev/Chromiak/AndersonD/Turcotte/Byfield to name a few play two full seasons with the big club and some of us are sort of writing them off? Ask any other teams fans if they wouldn't kill to get any of those kids on their team or in their systems and you will hear a resounding YES.

Our kids are still top notch. Our top 6 is really really hard to break into and while sure some of our kids have gotten their beaks wet here and there up there none of them have been given the time that it takes to take the next step just yet and while arguably for good reason (have to earn you spot) but still they are far from not being great picks.

Next year will be Kaliyev's second season. He play injury free and build on the successes he had this past season. I think we will see a marked improvement in his overall game. Same can be said for the rest of our kids. Our D is beyond stacked with players like Anderson, Durzi, Bjornfot and Spence to name a few who have already requited themselves quite well during their time in the NHL with Anderson and Toby already earning their spots on the team. We have several talented/skilled forwards working their way onto the big club and some highly talented kids waiting for their chances. It kind of freaks me out to see a few of us denigrating some of our kids. Everybody is entitled to their opinions but we are about to become one of the top teams in the league and it is largely due to our kids both forwards and D.

Good post.
It took Filip Chytil 4 years to show what he can do now...and Troy Terry, also 4 years.
Neither of them looked that special a year ago....could have probably got them in a trade.
It took Kempe 5 years - although he was decent, his first 4....but not reaching the level he has now attained.

There will always be a few like McDavid, that can make an impact by age 19, but that's not the norm.
Even Draisaitl and MacKinnon, needed a few seasons. Matthews was making an impact, straight off.

Many of the King prospects have had short seasons and injuries: Byfield, broken ankle, Vilardi, back issues, Turcotte, 2 concussions and lower body inj, Madden, broken collarbone, Thomas, 2 bad shoulders. Brandt Clarke, knee injury. Never seen so many injuries, to prospects. Even Grans was banged up at the end of this year.
Good grief!

Most of these will be their 4th pro season, we see them hit their (near) peaks. Some will make an impact and some will be fringe.

I believe Byfield makes an impact next year, in terms of consistent play, 15 minutes a night...possibly reaches 20 goals, 40 points- if he gets PP time. I think Chromiak, Clarke make impacts by their 2nd pro year.
Hard to define impact, as you could say Spence made an impact, but he's not near where he will be, by pro season 3. That was his first pro season and pretty impressive.

I think QB worked hard and was ready in camp and played great. Then the ankle break. Who knows what his year would have been like, without that. Took 3 months away. Maybe with 3 months more experience, he's ready for round 1 vs Oilers. I think he will have a great Summer, show up 10 lbs more muscle and will be 20 in August.

I so much want Gabe to be ready to take the next step. It looked like he took a step the last 2 weeks of the year and Todd scratches him. Gabe needed to be better, earlier. I hope they don't trade him...until he's given a real shot. He had a shot 2 yrs ago, but a lot of pressure as 2C and Carter was crap...as was AA, on his line. That didn't help him.

I think Kaliyev is ready to make a bigger impact next year, as he knows he can play in this league and getting better and better. He should push for top 6. But, year 3 and 4 will be even better.

 

[verbalkint47]

Bobby Clarke also forgot Claude Giroux's name at the draft podium in 2006. Didn't want him. I believe they wanted Trevor Lewis who we had just drafted like 4 or 5 picks earlier. They look brilliant for drafting him but literally couldn't remember his name lol. Drafting ain't an exact science

 

[Soapdodger]

I wonder what people would say about the Seider selection now if he had as many injuries as Turcotte did and would not be in the NHL by now