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So what you'er saying is a top six of Chromiak-Thomas-Kaliyev / Lee-Pinelli-Madden is nigh!
2022 Draft Discussion (after the trade)
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So what you'er saying is a top six of Chromiak-Thomas-Kaliyev / Lee-Pinelli-Madden is nigh!
johnjm22
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HISTORY OF THE 19TH OVERALL PICK:
I always like looking at this because it puts into perspective what your chances of landing a good player really are.
| YEAR | PLAYER | POS | DRAFTED FROM | DRAFTED BY | ||||||
2021 | Fedor Svechkov | C | Tolyatti Lada [Rus-VL] | Nashville | ||||||
2020 | Braden Schneider | D | Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL] | NY Rangers | ||||||
2019 | Lassi Thomson | D | Kelowna Rockets [WHL] | Ottawa | ||||||
2018 | Jay O'Brien | C | Thayer Academy (US H.S.) | Philadelphia | ||||||
2017 | Josh Norris | C | U.S. National Development Team [USHL] | San Jose | ||||||
2016 | Kieffer Bellows | L | U.S. National Development Team [USHL] | NY Islanders | ||||||
2015 | Evgeny Svechnikov | L | Cape Breton Screaming Eagles [QMJHL] | Detroit | ||||||
2014 | Tony DeAngelo | D | Sarnia Sting [OHL] | Tampa Bay | ||||||
2013 | Kerby Rychel | C/LW | Windsor (OHL) | Columbus Blue Jackets | ||||||
2012 | Andrei Vasilevski | G | Ufa (KHL) | Tampa Bay Lightning | ||||||
2011 | Oscar Klefbom | D | Farjestad (Swe) | Edmonton Oilers | ||||||
2010 | Nick Bjugstad | C | Blain (MS-HS) | Florida Panthers | ||||||
2009 | Chris Kreider | C | Andover (MA. HS) | New York Rangers | ||||||
2008 | Luca Sbisa | D | Lethbridge (WHL) | Philadelphia Flyers | ||||||
2007 | Logan MacMillan | C | Halifax (QMJHL) | Anaheim Ducks2 | ||||||
2006 | Mark Mitera | D | Michigan (CCHA) | Anaheim Ducks | ||||||
2005 | Jakub Kindl | D | Kitchener Rangers (OHL) | Detroit Red Wings | ||||||
2004 | Lauri Korpikoski | C | TPS Jrs. (Finland) | New York Rangers | ||||||
2003 | Ryan Getzlaf | C | Calgary Hitmen (WHL) | Anaheim Ducks | ||||||
2002 | Jakub Koreis | C | Plzen HC (Czech) | Phoenix Coyotes | ||||||
2001 | Shaone Morrisonn | D | Kamloops Blazers (WHL) | Boston Bruins | ||||||
2000 | Krys Kolanos | C | Boston College (NCAA) | Phoenix Coyotes | ||||||
1999 | Kirill Safronov | D | St. Petersburg SKA (Russia) | Phoenix Coyotes | ||||||
1998 | Robyn Regehr | D | Kamloops Blazers (WHL) | Colorado Avalanche | ||||||
1997 | Stefan Cherneski | RW | Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL) | New York Rangers | ||||||
1996 | Matthieu Descoteaux | D | Shawinigan Cataractes (QMJHL) | Edmonton Oilers | ||||||
1995 | Dmitri Nabokov | C | Krylja Sovetov (Russia) | Chicago Blackhawks | ||||||
1994 | Chris Dingman | LW | Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL) | Calgary Flames | ||||||
1993 | Landon Wilson | RW | Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL) | Toronto Maple Leafs | ||||||
1992 | Martin Straka | C | Skoda Plzen (Czech.) | Pittsburgh Penguins | ||||||
1991 | Niklas Sundblad | RW | AIK Solna (SEL) | Calgary Flames | ||||||
1990 | Keith Tkachuk | LW | Malden Catholic H.S. (Mass.) | Winnipeg Jets | ||||||
1989 | Olaf Kolzig | G | Tri-City Americans (WHL) | Washington Capitals | ||||||
1988 | Francois Leroux | D | St.-Jean Beavers (QMJHL) | Edmonton Oilers | ||||||
1987 | Bryan Deasley | LW | U. of Michigan (NCAA) | Calgary Flames | ||||||
1986 | Jeff Greenlaw | LW | Canadian National Team (Intl) | Washington Capitals | ||||||
1985 | Yvon Corriveau | LW | Toronto Marlboros (OHL) | Washington Capitals | ||||||
1984 | Dave Pasin | C | Prince Albert Raiders (WHL) | Boston Bruins | ||||||
1983 | Jeff Beukeboom | D | Sault-Ste.-Marie Greyhounds (OHL) | Edmonton Oilers | ||||||
1981 | Jan Ingman | F |
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1980 | Paul Gagne | F | Windsor Spitfires (OHA) | Colorado Rockies |
I always like looking at this because it puts into perspective what your chances of landing a good player really are.
Just looking at 2010 onwards there is some great value there. Even Klefbom looked good till he got injured.
Later on guys like Regegr, Strakam and, my favorite name growing up, Beukaboom give hope.
King'sPawn
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I have mixed feelings about Rutger McGroarty. Though maybe I need to see more of him. In my brief viewings, I actually think I liked Tyler Boucher more than McGroarty, and Boucher was considered a major reach at 10th overall last year.
He's not a technically strong skater, or fast. He engages physically, but not a bruiser. For a power forward... I actually don't think he protects the puck that well. He has "okay" hands, but he hangs onto the puck for not nearly as much time as someone who I envision as a power forward who drives to the net with the puck.
Maybe it was just a bad game; so, like I said, I need to see more. But based on what I saw, I would be hesitant to spend even a 2nd on him.
He's not a technically strong skater, or fast. He engages physically, but not a bruiser. For a power forward... I actually don't think he protects the puck that well. He has "okay" hands, but he hangs onto the puck for not nearly as much time as someone who I envision as a power forward who drives to the net with the puck.
Maybe it was just a bad game; so, like I said, I need to see more. But based on what I saw, I would be hesitant to spend even a 2nd on him.
johnjm22
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After watching Vilardi and Kaliyev I'm pretty much done with forward prospects that have skating issues.
KingLB
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We don’t want any more prospects that can’t skate. And no more without offensive upside. And no more small defensemen. Basically a 6’3” LD with amazing skating and high end skill! Hope we only ever get the #1 pick with all the demands fans have.
King'sPawn
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johnjm22
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Toffoli fit that bill, I thought he was a worse skater than Kaliyev.
I'm not against taking guys with skating issues, but outside the first round, please.
Raccoon Jesus
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I think it's a stretch calling McGroarty a 'project' because he's not a speedster. He's got everything else you need. The Kings and prospects aren't slow by any means either, not sure why everyone thinks we're still a team of Dwight Kings.
I think he's good at protecting the puck, agree that he's not stereotypically power forward in that regard, but that he just doesn't hold it that much because it's off his stick quickly...I don't see it as a weakness at all, he's making quick smart plays with pace which is exactly how a guy that's a little slower 'plays fast.'
I'm not married to him as a prospect or our pick by any means but jesus christ you can see just in the last 10 posts how quickly shallow criticism can become a thoughtless meme.
I think he's good at protecting the puck, agree that he's not stereotypically power forward in that regard, but that he just doesn't hold it that much because it's off his stick quickly...I don't see it as a weakness at all, he's making quick smart plays with pace which is exactly how a guy that's a little slower 'plays fast.'
I'm not married to him as a prospect or our pick by any means but jesus christ you can see just in the last 10 posts how quickly shallow criticism can become a thoughtless meme.
Raccoon Jesus
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King'sPawn
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You're missing the several posts above yours that states specific flaws in which people don't want to draft under any circumstances. Relax./low-angle-view-scarecrow-against-cloudy-sky-562838541-5aaf18adfa6bcc00360a609c.jpg)
I know skating is important but it’s not like the team was a bunch of lumbering pylons out there. But I swear I remember reading on here how fast other fans thought the team was.
"Size matters..." ::cough::
#13 overall.
Yes, it matters. They made a mistake, because they drafted smaller one. Kings had a chance to take Tyler Myers 6'8" / 229 lbs... .
2008 was a really great year to draft defenceman.
I feel like this year is going to have a similar result. Maybe not a lot of top end ones, but several very good 3-5 guys that end up with solid careers. I know we've got a bunch of 'em already, but I sure wouldn't mind getting a couple more.
Steve Zissou
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Teubert had size, physically, and toughness – all traits DL was targeting in that pick.
As we have heard from Yanetti several times unless (2) players are equal in their rankings across the board, BPA all day every day. Draft for need and The Hockey Gods will bite you in the ass down the road.
At 19OA, we’re likely to get our hands on a top kid that falls.. with a draft so wide open I fully expect us to be surprised
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SFKingshomer
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I was about to bring up Jiri Kulich...
Slafkovsky intrigued by Devils, No. 1 International skater for 2022 Draft | NHL.com
Kulich planning to stay in Czech Republic; Brennan a 'lion' in goal; Nemec eyes North America next season on Day 4 of Combine
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King'sPawn
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Lombardi said specifically he drafted Teubert, because the team was missing toughness. Myers did not have that.
...and if I recall he and the Buffalo GM at the time had a deal in place where they'd swap picks if they had the same name on a piece of paper. The Kings would have gotten a 3rd. They didn't so the trade never happened but Myers was never on their list.
King'sPawn
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The trade did happen. Both Lombardi and then-Buffalo GM each wrote who they wanted on the list. Buffalo wrote Myers, and Lombardi wrote Teubert.
They traded the 12th overall for 13th + 2009 3rd round pick.
2008 NHL Entry Draft Transactions
www.prosportstransactions.com
Ollie Weeks
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I’d wondered if Lombardi had gone off the board. Looking it up, Teubert WAS ranked around there by scouts pre-draft. He was just a huge bust, which happens, and it doubly stings with all the defensemen that year who were jackpots.
That's right. It's that the trade wouldn't happen if they had the same guy.
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