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Prospect Info: 2022 8OA, Marco Kasper

Our Lady Peace said:
I would be shocked if he didn't. Griffins need a desperate injection of scoring and Marco could help get Danielson scoring again and lift the monkey off his back. Lombardi is still out, so having a speed tandem of Kasper and Danielson 1-2 punch at C is something they haven't had for 2.5 months with Lombardi being out

GR play tomorrow, Friday, Saturday, and next Wednesday. Keeping Marco in form for Detroit and boosting GR I think is a win-win
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You really run the risk of Marco falling off a cliff during our play off run then. The rookie wall is real and he’s already going to be close to hitting it. I don’t think he should play in GR. Let him rest. But the farm team standings doesn’t matter a ton to me.
 
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Coach Reggie Dunlop said:
You really run the risk of Marco falling off a cliff during our play off run then. The rookie wall is real and he’s already going to be close to hitting it. I don’t think he should play in GR. Let him rest. But the farm team standings doesn’t matter a ton to me.
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Even if it's one or two games with rests in between I'd be okay with that for him
 
How many other teams are sending their first line winger back to the AHL during the break?

You send him down and some AHL goon wrecks him and takes him out of the lineup?

The risk isn't anywhere close to worth it for the couple game tune up. How much, if any improvement is Kasper truly going to get?
 
RED WINGS STOMP said:
How many other teams are sending their first line winger back to the AHL during the break?

You send him down and some AHL goon wrecks him and takes him out of the lineup?

The risk isn't anywhere close to worth it for the couple game tune up. How much, if any improvement is Kasper truly going to get?
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It’s for cap space. Yzerman has done that his whole time here. They’ve been very strict when it comes to young prospects and moving them back and forth for cap space. Doesn’t make much sense to me either but that’s why they do it.
 
Coach Reggie Dunlop said:
It’s for cap space. Yzerman has done that his whole time here. They’ve been very strict when it comes to young prospects and moving them back and forth for cap space. Doesn’t make much sense to me either but that’s why they do it.
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They are likely to have a bonus overage into the 25/26 season due to Kane's bonuses (and perhaps even Edvinsson and/or Kasper's ELC bonuses). Maximizing cap space this season will minimize the overage that carries into 25/26.
 
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RRhoads said:
I understand why they do it, but it is poor form for an employer. Kasper is losing a lot of money because of this.
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They can’t be running a professional sports organisation thinking like that. They’re doing what’s best for the team cap wise, today and in the future. Kasper will be more than fine.
 
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Inspiration said:
They are likely to have a bonus overage into the 25/26 season due to Kane's bonuses (and perhaps even Edvinsson and/or Kasper's ELC bonuses). Maximizing cap space this season will minimize the overage that carries into 25/26.
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This too. But I think main goal is to build biggest possible cap space for the deadline, for some possible deals.
 
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Coach Reggie Dunlop said:
You really run the risk of Marco falling off a cliff during our play off run then. The rookie wall is real and he’s already going to be close to hitting it. I don’t think he should play in GR. Let him rest. But the farm team standings doesn’t matter a ton to me.
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Rookie wall is real, but usually it will affect on guys who don't play more than ~50 game seasons earlier under their belt.

Kasper has played huge amount of games already on his career years, so I think he can handle the NHL load.

2021-22 season (17-year old)
- 13 games for Rögle juniors (including playoffs)
- 59 games for Rögle SHL (including playoffs)
- 12 games for Rögle CHL
- 2 games for Austria U20
- 7 games for Austria WHC
- 11 international games for Austria
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Total of 104 games.
That like a freaking 82-game NHL season + 22 playoff game run.

2022-23 season (18-year old)
- 61 games for Rögle SHL (including playoffs)
- 10 games for Rögle CHL
- 1 game for Red Wings NHL
- 3 games for Austria Deutschland Cup
- 5 international games for Austria
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Total of 80 games.

2023-24 season (19-year old)
- 80 games for Griffins AHL (including playoffs)
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Total of 80 games.

2024-25 season (20-year old)
- 50 games for Red Wings NHL (27 regular season games left)
- 2 games for Griffins AHL
- 3 games for Austria Olympic qualifiers
- 5 international games for Austria
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Total of 60 games = on a pace for 87 games (+possible playoffs and/or international tournaments)
 
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RRhoads said:
I understand why they do it, but it is poor form for an employer. Kasper is losing a lot of money because of this.
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Yes he is, it's not the best look especially for young players.

Hopefully next CBA can fix this from a players union perspective. This is ALOT of money early for a player risking his career without major earnings yet. I understand it too overall, but I don't like it and for the Red Wings specifically, can hardly see the reasoning... (until they use up every bit of cap space on a trade/move this season)
 
Snuggs said:
I understand it too overall, but I don't like it and for the Red Wings specifically, can hardly see the reasoning... (until they use up every bit of cap space on a trade/move this season)
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This is the key. If Detroit pulls off a major trade or signing due in part to these paper moves, then everybody wins in the long run.

If they never take advantage of it from a roster standpoint, then it kinda feels like the Walman trade all over again (doing something punitive when there was probably a better solution).
 
Snuggs said:
Yes he is, it's not the best look especially for young players.

Hopefully next CBA can fix this from a players union perspective. This is ALOT of money early for a player risking his career without major earnings yet. I understand it too overall, but I don't like it and for the Red Wings specifically, can hardly see the reasoning... (until they use up every bit of cap space on a trade/move this season)
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Keep in mind, Kasper does get a $95K signing bonus this season and can get up to $1M in performance bonuses.

Next season he does not get a signing bonus, and I would wager SY will not be papering him down once that happens (same for Elmer) I am sure they have these discussions with the players.

TDL Cap space is something important to have, at least if you have it, you have opportunity options, even if you do not use it.

After the TDL, I do not think you will see either of them papered down, maybe sent down for a Griffs run if the wings are out of the NHL race by the AHL roster cutoff date.
 
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If I did count right, there was 17 possible days so far to be out from NHL roster. That makes 71 671 dollars in Kasper's case.

But that amount should have been cumulated 286k in deadline cap space. And it could be more, if Kasper is more days down, like he currently is.
 
Part of the business of playing a game as your career is dealing with these types of things. Marco has been playing pro hockey for a few years now, he's young but I imagine he's used to how business in sports is done. He makes a lot more than most 20 year olds either way. Does it suck, sure, but it comes with the territory.
 
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LongTimeDRWF said:
Keep in mind, Kasper does get a $95K signing bonus this season and can get up to $1M in performance bonuses.

Next season he does not get a signing bonus, and I would wager SY will not be papering him down once that happens (same for Elmer) I am sure they have these discussions with the players.

TDL Cap space is something important to have, at least if you have it, you have opportunity options, even if you do not use it.

After the TDL, I do not think you will see either of them papered down, maybe sent down for a Griffs run if the wings are out of the NHL race by the AHL roster cutoff date.
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Yeah, idk... I still don't care. The kid isn't wealthy and his time to make real money could only be this ELC contract if he runs into something like concussion problems.

Anyone, even a millionaire should be mad that they're getting 70k less in salary for the same work because of a systematic loophole and not performance based.

I also don't know if age should have anything to do with much in terms of 'being grateful' for having a salary cut because it's six or seven figures anyways. Just not into them taking money just cause, his performance and stuff really doesn't justify it and that's even before he was putting up points. He still showed up and played/practiced. Salary cut for the same work is totally un-warranted outside of a loop-hole.
 
Snuggs said:
Yeah, idk... I still don't care. The kid isn't wealthy and his time to make real money could only be this ELC contract if he runs into something like concussion problems.

Anyone, even a millionaire should be mad that they're getting 70k less in salary for the same work because of a systematic loophole and not performance based.

I also don't know if age should have anything to do with much in terms of 'being grateful' for having a salary cut because it's six or seven figures anyways. Just not into them taking money just cause, his performance and stuff really doesn't justify it and that's even before he was putting up points. He still showed up and played/practiced. Salary cut for the same work is totally un-warranted outside of a loop-hole.
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Guess it all comes down to perspective.

I think he should feel fortunate to have played as many games in the NHL this year as he has.

Someone like Edvinsson had to wait longer and played better at the AHL level.
 
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Frk It said:
Guess it all comes down to perspective.

I think he should feel fortunate to have played as many games in the NHL this year as he has.

Someone like Edvinsson had to wait longer and played better at the AHL level.
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I guess it certainly does because when I'm talking about Kasper and his money, I don't talk about other situations at all because Kasper has had nothing to do with Edvinsson, etc, and someone else's bad situation doesn't justify someone else being dragged down too.

I think he should feel fortunate, no doubts, but he's also earned it, right? It's not a gift, he's actually out playing people right, so what's up with a salary cut outside of a loophole that prolyl wasn't intended for cap savings and more for player development.
 
OgeeOgelthorpe said:
This seems like such a cheapskate thing to do.

What other team in the league does this to their young guys? And how much does it impact Kasper’s salary this year?
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I would not call it cheap, they aren't saving costs here, but rather try to accumulate cap space.
 
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