Prospect Info: 2022 8OA, Marco Kasper

[RED WINGS STOMP]

Remember after Danielson was drafted and everyone agreed he was trending to be 2C, relegating Kasper's future to 3C? How we feeling about that now, fam?

My expectation for the two of them has always been Zetterberg/Datsyuk or Yzerman/Fedorov 2.0 combo. Great high scoring, two way centers that win the Wings championships.

It's a nice problem to have, who knows, maybe by this time next year Danielson looks better than Kasper and they just continue to leap frog each other every offseason.

 

[Gniwder]

Well its up to the NHL team to have smaller roster if they want though.
But, yeah idk, think its good to have 6-7 matches to prepare for the new season as not playing full roster in all of them. Agree that it could be smaller rosters, but also some benefit of having more being given chances in training camp and getting a feel for how it is to be on the big team.

How are you gonna do that and play 2 games on the same day? Then 3 games B2B2B later in the same week? The schedule dictates the roster size, with most teams carry A & B teams.

Unlike the NFL, there's very little attendance. Just cut the number of games.

 

[Gniwder]

Remember after Danielson was drafted and everyone agreed he was trending to be 2C, relegating Kasper's future to 3C? How we feeling about that now, fam?

Nate's gonna be 4C like LFG, lol.

Seriously though, I bet he'll put up more points in GR than Marco did last season.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Honestly just pretty stoked to see a good offensive showing from him this preseason. Hopefully that translates into a good start in Grand Rapids. I do get why people wanted him to start the year here. I don’t think it’ll be too long now.

 

[jkutswings]

My expectation for the two of them has always been Zetterberg/Datsyuk or Yzerman/Fedorov 2.0 combo. Great high scoring, two way centers that win the Wings championships.

It's a nice problem to have, who knows, maybe by this time next year Danielson looks better than Kasper and they just continue to leap frog each other every offseason.

So when they truly contend, down the middle it'll be:

Danielson
Kasper
Larkin

And Dylan will LITERALLY be Helm with hands.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Remember after Danielson was drafted and everyone agreed he was trending to be 2C, relegating Kasper's future to 3C? How we feeling about that now, fam?

Don't you understand, they can't both be good. Such things just aren't allowed

 

[lilidk]

Don't you understand, they can't both be good. Such things just aren't allowed

And they both not as good as ASP

 

[sepster]

Remember after Danielson was drafted and everyone agreed he was trending to be 2C, relegating Kasper's future to 3C? How we feeling about that now, fam?

 

[Frk It]

Remember after Danielson was drafted and everyone agreed he was trending to be 2C, relegating Kasper's future to 3C? How we feeling about that now, fam?

Are you asking people if they want to change their mind because of 4 pre season games?

I’m confused.

 

[norrisnick]

Are you asking people if they want to change their mind because of 4 pre season games?

I’m confused.

I mean, to be fair, the minds were originally made because of 4 preseason games last year.

 

[ricky0034]

I mean, to be fair, the minds were originally made because of 4 preseason games last year.

and in a preseason where Kasper had just spent the offseason recovering from a broken kneecap at that

 

[lilidk]

Not only Kasper was very good last preseason, but also Lombardi and Danielson had their moments.

 

[jaster]

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Now it’s the other way around!

 

[jaster]

Are you asking people if they want to change their mind because of 4 pre season games?

I’m confused.

Yeah, basically, though I know no one will, so it’s mostly just for fun. I’ve always found the Kasper-Danielson discussion on this forum to be rather odd. Fickle in its origin. I don’t really expect people to flip flop now, because despite being kinda fickle, that Danielson > Kasper narrative has been around for a year. A long time to further cement the idea.

While I always felt Danielson has a higher floor, their respective projections/upsides have always been rather even to me, and I’ve never seen Danielson as clearly a better prospect. I’ve flip flopped them in my own rankings several times. Either could break out, pull ahead of the other, and it wouldn’t surprise me.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

What is the earliest ETA we see Danielson AND Kasper as regulars for Detroit? 26-27?

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

Yeah, basically, though I know no one will, so it’s mostly just for fun. I’ve always found the Kasper-Danielson discussion on this forum to be rather odd. Fickle in its origin. I don’t really expect people to flip flop now, because despite being kinda fickle, that Danielson > Kasper narrative has been around for a year. A long time to further cement the idea.

While I always felt Danielson has a higher floor, their respective projections/upsides have always been rather even to me, and I’ve never seen Danielson as clearly a better prospect. I’ve flip flopped them in my own rankings several times. Either could break out, pull ahead of the other, and it wouldn’t surprise me.

Respectfully disagree. I like Kasper a ton, but i think when it is all said and done the only category in which he'll trump Danny boy is physicality and effectiveness on the forecheck. Nate to me has the edge in speed (big edge), sniping, playmaking, puck skills, puck transportation as well as defensive prowess. Kasper's best seasons IMO will be 25/30 whereas I can totally see Danielson inching towards PPG seasons. But we'll see.

 

[Henkka]

Not only Kasper was very good last preseason, but also Lombardi and Danielson had their moments.

Danielson was best prospect at last pre-season.

 

[newfy]

Respectfully disagree. I like Kasper a ton, but i think when it is all said and done the only category in which he'll trump Danny boy is physicality and effectiveness on the forecheck. Nate to me has the edge in speed (big edge), sniping, playmaking, puck skills, puck transportation as well as defensive prowess. Kasper's best seasons IMO will be 25/30 whereas I can totally see Danielson inching towards PPG seasons. But we'll see.

To each their own but after seeing Kasper with a full off-season I'm not sure how anyone could think Danielson has a big edge in speed. Is he a faster skater? Sure, maybe. But Kasper can also absolutely fly out there. I also don't know how you can watch Kasper play and give a massive edge in puck transportation either. Kasper has been really good in the minors with zone entries and this preseason he was flying with the puck.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

What is the earliest ETA we see Danielson AND Kasper as regulars for Detroit? 26-27?

Feel like Kasper/Mazur/MBN are all on the roster next season.

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

To each their own but after seeing Kasper with a full off-season I'm not sure how anyone could think Danielson has a big edge in speed. Is he a faster skater? Sure, maybe. But Kasper can also absolutely fly out there. I also don't know how you can watch Kasper play and give a massive edge in puck transportation either. Kasper has been really good in the minors with zone entries and this preseason he was flying with the puck.

1. He just is a faster skater, his acceleration especially is better. Not saying Kasper's a snail.
2. Never said that the edge was massive, but advantage Danielson. I think this is the result of better puck skills combined with superior speed.

And apparently we agree on sniping, playmaking, puck skills and defensive prowess.

BTW: I think physicality and forechecking in the top6 are invalueable and we do not have it. So I love Kasper's toolbox.

 

[Ulysses31]

What is the earliest ETA we see Danielson AND Kasper as regulars for Detroit? 26-27?

would think kasper gets 40ish plus games this yr n danielson ditto next yr

 

[Henkka]

Feel like Kasper/Mazur/MBN are all on the roster next season.

Think Kasper, Mazur and Danielson could be. Not so sure about MBN.

Kasper and Mazur 100%. Full seasons.

Danielson and MBN 50/50. I mean some kind of split seasons.

 

[wingerdinger]

All of these scenarios really come down to injuries. As soon as we get an injury in the top 9 Kasper will be called up. And if that happens i predict Marco's play will make it impossible for the wings to send him back down.

 

[jaster]

1. He just is a faster skater, his acceleration especially is better. Not saying Kasper's a snail.
2. Never said that the edge was massive, but advantage Danielson. I think this is the result of better puck skills combined with superior speed.

And apparently we agree on sniping, playmaking, puck skills and defensive prowess.

BTW: I think physicality and forechecking in the top6 are invalueable and we do not have it. So I love Kasper's toolbox.

I think some analysis gets skewed because while Danielson has played against kids in juniors the past 4 years, Marco has been playing pro hockey against men. They are very different style players, and yes Danielson has the slight edge in skating and maybe some pure offensive talent, but the gaps are smaller than many think. Kasper is excellent with the puck and is an above average skater himself.

Along with physical play and forechecking, his other advantages are board battles, driving the net, and net-front play. Around the net, Kasper will likely have Danielson beat in shooting and puck play. But again, they are very different players, so pointing out who is better at what is nearly pointless in trying to compare who will be the better player. Ultimately, only time will tell, I just wish ya'll would stop underrating Marco

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Kasper is going to be a significant part of the Wings in 24-25. Executives, Yzerman above most, value flexibility. This lets them keep all the young players they want without having to expose any they don't care to lose for free to waivers.

Marco Kasper is gonna be the first forward called up and if he's anything like you think, he won't be going back down.

If Marco Kasper isn't pissed about it, why are you?