just to be pedantic: Lalonde said 12 forwards to start the year. Did he mean the day 1 roster or the game 1 roster?
Prospect Info: 2022 8OA, Marco Kasper
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If Detroit has something up their sleeve to move Berggren this week, Kasper will be in the lineup Thursday night. Nothing tells us that’s the case, but that’s what it came down to for Marco Kasper..
If Lombardi, Kasper, Danielson, MBN or Mazur made the team out of camp, it was likely going to have been at the expense of Berggren, and he did nothing to lose his spot.
If Berggren was still waiver exempt, Kasper would be opening up at 3C Thursday night and Berggren would be in Grand Rapids. So what comes around, goes around in a way.. And like I said, Berggren didn’t do anything to lose his spot. Kasper was just a much better 200’ player.
All we’re waiting for now, is when it happens. It certainly won’t hurt him playing another 20-40 games in the AHL as a top player. He started to be that around February last season and obviously had a really good summer with his strength and explosion.
My guess is, if a Top 9 player is injured, good bet Kasper is the player recalled. Especially if Berggren and/or Compher are struggling offensively. If those two get off to a bad start, we may see Marco anyway.
I’m also gonna wager, when he does come up, there’s a good chance he’ll work his way into the 2C spot pretty quickly, unless Compher is producing well. We seen the jump that line had when Kasper was the pivot. He’s gonna be a Top 6 C in the NHL.
There’s a lot to like in his game. I’ve always compared him to Erikkson-Ek in Minnesota and I’m gonna keep on that crusade until he’s played 100 NHL games.
The good thing is, he’s real close, and sometimes patience is worth it. It’s hard to argue how they over-marinated Edvinsson last year too. He walked right into carrying a Top 4 pairing in the NHL, those last 17-18 games. Something we’ve yet to see from the NJ kids, or Brandt Clarke in LA. All of those kids still need protection.
So there’s something to having patience with your kids. The crazy thing with Detroit is, they have a lot of kids on the same time-table. So they’re gonna start coming one after the other, over the next 6-24 months.
If Lombardi, Kasper, Danielson, MBN or Mazur made the team out of camp, it was likely going to have been at the expense of Berggren, and he did nothing to lose his spot.
If Berggren was still waiver exempt, Kasper would be opening up at 3C Thursday night and Berggren would be in Grand Rapids. So what comes around, goes around in a way.. And like I said, Berggren didn’t do anything to lose his spot. Kasper was just a much better 200’ player.
All we’re waiting for now, is when it happens. It certainly won’t hurt him playing another 20-40 games in the AHL as a top player. He started to be that around February last season and obviously had a really good summer with his strength and explosion.
My guess is, if a Top 9 player is injured, good bet Kasper is the player recalled. Especially if Berggren and/or Compher are struggling offensively. If those two get off to a bad start, we may see Marco anyway.
I’m also gonna wager, when he does come up, there’s a good chance he’ll work his way into the 2C spot pretty quickly, unless Compher is producing well. We seen the jump that line had when Kasper was the pivot. He’s gonna be a Top 6 C in the NHL.
There’s a lot to like in his game. I’ve always compared him to Erikkson-Ek in Minnesota and I’m gonna keep on that crusade until he’s played 100 NHL games.
The good thing is, he’s real close, and sometimes patience is worth it. It’s hard to argue how they over-marinated Edvinsson last year too. He walked right into carrying a Top 4 pairing in the NHL, those last 17-18 games. Something we’ve yet to see from the NJ kids, or Brandt Clarke in LA. All of those kids still need protection.
So there’s something to having patience with your kids. The crazy thing with Detroit is, they have a lot of kids on the same time-table. So they’re gonna start coming one after the other, over the next 6-24 months.
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Remember after Danielson was drafted and everyone agreed he was trending to be 2C, relegating Kasper's future to 3C? How we feeling about that now, fam?
I still like Danielson's upside more but Kasper was the better player in camp this year which should be expected.
For the record, I think they’re both great prospects.
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My expectation for the two of them has always been Zetterberg/Datsyuk or Yzerman/Fedorov 2.0 combo. Great high scoring, two way centers that win the Wings championships.
It's a nice problem to have, who knows, maybe by this time next year Danielson looks better than Kasper and they just continue to leap frog each other every offseason.
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How are you gonna do that and play 2 games on the same day? Then 3 games B2B2B later in the same week? The schedule dictates the roster size, with most teams carry A & B teams.
Unlike the NFL, there's very little attendance. Just cut the number of games.
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Nate's gonna be 4C like LFG, lol.
Seriously though, I bet he'll put up more points in GR than Marco did last season.
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Honestly just pretty stoked to see a good offensive showing from him this preseason. Hopefully that translates into a good start in Grand Rapids. I do get why people wanted him to start the year here. I don’t think it’ll be too long now.
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So when they truly contend, down the middle it'll be:My expectation for the two of them has always been Zetterberg/Datsyuk or Yzerman/Fedorov 2.0 combo. Great high scoring, two way centers that win the Wings championships.
It's a nice problem to have, who knows, maybe by this time next year Danielson looks better than Kasper and they just continue to leap frog each other every offseason.
Danielson
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Don't you understand, they can't both be good. Such things just aren't allowed
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Are you asking people if they want to change their mind because of 4 pre season games?
I’m confused.
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I mean, to be fair, the minds were originally made because of 4 preseason games last year.
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and in a preseason where Kasper had just spent the offseason recovering from a broken kneecap at that
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Yeah, basically, though I know no one will, so it’s mostly just for fun. I’ve always found the Kasper-Danielson discussion on this forum to be rather odd. Fickle in its origin. I don’t really expect people to flip flop now, because despite being kinda fickle, that Danielson > Kasper narrative has been around for a year. A long time to further cement the idea.
While I always felt Danielson has a higher floor, their respective projections/upsides have always been rather even to me, and I’ve never seen Danielson as clearly a better prospect. I’ve flip flopped them in my own rankings several times. Either could break out, pull ahead of the other, and it wouldn’t surprise me.
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Respectfully disagree. I like Kasper a ton, but i think when it is all said and done the only category in which he'll trump Danny boy is physicality and effectiveness on the forecheck. Nate to me has the edge in speed (big edge), sniping, playmaking, puck skills, puck transportation as well as defensive prowess. Kasper's best seasons IMO will be 25/30 whereas I can totally see Danielson inching towards PPG seasons. But we'll see.
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To each their own but after seeing Kasper with a full off-season I'm not sure how anyone could think Danielson has a big edge in speed. Is he a faster skater? Sure, maybe. But Kasper can also absolutely fly out there. I also don't know how you can watch Kasper play and give a massive edge in puck transportation either. Kasper has been really good in the minors with zone entries and this preseason he was flying with the puck.
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1. He just is a faster skater, his acceleration especially is better. Not saying Kasper's a snail.
2. Never said that the edge was massive, but advantage Danielson. I think this is the result of better puck skills combined with superior speed.
And apparently we agree on sniping, playmaking, puck skills and defensive prowess.
BTW: I think physicality and forechecking in the top6 are invalueable and we do not have it. So I love Kasper's toolbox.
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