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Utica Comets @ Laval Rocket

Final Score:
Laval 4 Utica 1

SOG:
Utica - 8 8 12 = 28
Laval - 16 13 12 = 41

PP:
Utica 0/4
Laval 0/3

Scoring:
Walsh (5) from Nemec (15) and Halonen (13)

Theut 37/41

No more need be said.

Comets have not had a home game since 3/10 and now come home for 5 days before hosting Syracuse on 3/24 and Rochester on 3/25 before a game in Syracuse on 3/26. A 3 in 3 weekend vs the 2 teams right on their heels. The Comets could really put those 2 farther behind and taking a stronger hold on 2nd or find themselves in 4th place at the end of the weekend. That's how close things are in this North Division race.

Ceveland lost at the hands of Belleville 4-1.
Rochester lost to Hershey 2-1.
Syracuse won 4-3 in OT over W-B/S.

Standings:
GP 61/ Toronto 83Pts
GP 61/ Utica 68Pts
GP 59/Syracuse 66 Pts
GP 59/Rochester 62 Pts
GP 61/ Belleville 61 Pts
GP 61 / Laval 60 Pts
GP 58/Cleveland 57 Pts
 

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Totally true. His season is a huge disappointment, he went way backwards in his development.
Echo that. A huge reason the Comets always struggle. He was supposed to be a big piece of the Comets offense after the loss of so m any offensive leaders. Instead he has contributed very little to the outcome of most games.
 

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Maybe the Devils don't want to write him off in his second pro season.

I'd never simply write off a 2nd year pro, but Thompson has been a serious disappointment for the Utica Comets this season. I'm sure management was looking for him to become a center piece for the Comets this season. They had already signed him to a 1-way NHL deal for next season. $775K is a lofty salary for a 3rd year pro in the AHL after a massive subpar 2nd season.
 
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I'd never simply write off a 2nd year pro, but Thompson has been a serious disappointment for the Utica Comets this season. I'm sure management was looking for him to become a center piece for the Comets this season. They had already signed him to a 1-way NHL deal for next season. $775K is a lofty salary for a 3rd year pro in the AHL after a massive subpar 2nd season.

Disappointing, Maybe? The dude did miss majority of last season with an injury. Much like development, coming back from injuries isn’t always a direct path.
 

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Disappointing, Maybe? The dude did miss majority of last season with an injury. Much like development, coming back from injuries isn’t always a direct path.
Did I say differently?

Just saying he has been playing bad hockey. When he payed here at the end of last season he revealed some skills. Don't know where they went.

His passing is off.
He is constantly struggling to keep passes on his stick.
He can't hit the broad side of the barn with his shots let alone the net.
He misses his 1-timer attempts more often than he gets them off and when he does it's wide or 6-hole.
He's a lazy back checker.
He doesn't win puck battles.
He falls down in almost every physical contact with an opponent.

I could go on. This isn't the kind of development players I have watched for decades in the AHL exhibit. These are the kind of things you see with prospects who don't go beyond the AHL if they last there at all beyond their RFA time. Maybe AHL lifers or try their efforts in Europe.

He's not the same guy we saw here last season, who put up 15Pts (6/G/9A) in 16 games. He currently has 7 goals in 45 GP and 16 assists. That's 1 more goal 7 more assist than he amassed in 16 games when "coming back from injury". He has also been injured again for the other 16 games the Comets have played without him.

I'm changing my terminology, That's more than disappointing.

Foote's season is disappointing.
Last season he put up 14G/18A/32Pts - 55 GP
This season he's put up 18G/12A/30Pts - 49 GP
He was expected as 1 of NJ's remaining 1st round top prospects to really take off in his 3rd professional season and, along with Thompson and Cllarke, take the mantle from the guys who lit up the scoreboard here last seasons - Holtz, Zetterlund, DeLeo, and Greer.

Thompson has bombed out.

Foote has improved a bit, but not enough to make that much of a difference to an offensively weak team.

Clarke is the only one to see vast improvement. He has already doubled his point output from last season and leads the team in goals, assists, and points. He is 8 points away from last season's point leader, Chase DeLeo (56), with 11 games remaining. This is where the other 2 should be as well. If they were the Comets wouldn't be struggling to win games if the other team scores 3 goal. They have been shut out 2x, scored 1 goal 11x, 2 goals 9x and 3 goals 14x. That's 36 games.

The team has scored 183 goals and given up 184. Kind of explains only 30 wins in 61 GP. The Comets only have 3 players other than Clarke and Foote with double figures in goals scored with 12 being the most and 1 with 11 was traded away. Last season they had 11 in doble figures and 4 of them had more than 20 and 3 had more than Clarke's current 21.

Holtz has played 12 games and has 11 points. Last year he had 51 in 52 GP, DeLeo 56 in 55, Zetterlund 52 in 58, and Greer 52 in 53. These guys are 1.02 to .90 PPG.

Holtz, in very limited GP, is the only near PPG Comet. Clarke is next closest at .84. 3 are in the .6 range and it's downhill from there.

Thompson and Foote should be up there with Clarke. Pinho was brought in to center for those 2 guys and he would be up there as well. He's .55 and Thompson is .51. Foote has done better away from them in scoring his goals, but is still only .61. The rest of the team is not skilled offensively and that is the team's #1 deficiency.

OH! NHL level Andreas Johnsson put up 30 Pts in his 36 games here for .83 PPG. He went in the San Jose trade so his PPG are lost.

Thank God they wanted Z instead of Holtz, as has been bantered about. Holtz will put up points in the NHL if he is given the chance to play with top 6 linemates. That's what a scoring forward is supposed to do. It might not be with NJ, but IMO it will happen.

Sorry for the diatribe, LOL
 
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What's with the Foote movement?

AHL transactions page:
3/17/23 Nolan Foote Recalled to NJ
3/18/23 Nolan Foote Returned to Utica
3/19/23 Nolan Foote Recalled to NJ
 

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Did I say differently?

Just saying he has been playing bad hockey. When he payed here at the end of last season he revealed some skills. Don't know where they went.

His passing is off.
He is constantly struggling to keep passes on his stick.
He can't hit the broad side of the barn with his shots let alone the net.
He misses his 1-timer attempts more often than he gets them off and when he does it's wide or 6-hole.
He's a lazy back checker.
He doesn't win puck battles.
He falls down in almost every physical contact with an opponent.

I could go on. This isn't the kind of development players I have watched for decades in the AHL exhibit. These are the kind of things you see with prospects who don't go beyond the AHL if they last there at all beyond their RFA time. Maybe AHL lifers or try their efforts in Europe.

He's not the same guy we saw here last season, who put up 15Pts (6/G/9A) in 16 games. He currently has 7 goals in 45 GP and 16 assists. That's 1 more goal 7 more assist than he amassed in 16 games when "coming back from injury". He has also been injured again for the other 16 games the Comets have played without him.

I'm changing my terminology, That's more than disappointing.

Foote's season is disappointing.
Last season he put up 14G/18A/32Pts - 55 GP
This season he's put up 18G/12A/30Pts - 49 GP
He was expected as 1 of NJ's remaining 1st round top prospects to really take off in his 3rd professional season and, along with Thompson and Cllarke, take the mantle from the guys who lit up the scoreboard here last seasons - Holtz, Zetterlund, DeLeo, and Greer.

Thompson has bombed out.

Foote has improved a bit, but not enough to make that much of a difference to an offensively weak team.

Clarke is the only one to see vast improvement. He has already doubled his point output from last season and leads the team in goals, assists, and points. He is 8 points away from last season's point leader, Chase DeLeo (56), with 11 games remaining. This is where the other 2 should be as well. If they were the Comets wouldn't be struggling to win games if the other team scores 3 goal. They have been shut out 2x, scored 1 goal 11x, 2 goals 9x and 3 goals 14x. That's 36 games.

The team has scored 183 goals and given up 184. Kind of explains only 30 wins in 61 GP. The Comets only have 3 players other than Clarke and Foote with double figures in goals scored with 12 being the most and 1 with 11 was traded away. Last season they had 11 in doble figures and 4 of them had more than 20 and 3 had more than Clarke's current 21.

Holtz has played 12 games and has 11 points. Last year he had 51 in 52 GP, DeLeo 56 in 55, Zetterlund 52 in 58, and Greer 52 in 53. These guys are 1.02 to .90 PPG.

Holtz, in very limited GP, is the only near PPG Comet. Clarke is next closest at .84. 3 are in the .6 range and it's downhill from there.

Thompson and Foote should be up there with Clarke. Pinho was brought in to center for those 2 guys and he would be up there as well. He's .55 and Thompson is .51. Foote has done better away from them in scoring his goals, but is still only .61. The rest of the team is not skilled offensively and that is the team's #1 deficiency.

OH! NHL level Andreas Johnsson put up 30 Pts in his 36 games here for .83 PPG. He went in the San Jose trade so his PPG are lost.

Thank God they wanted Z instead of Holtz, as has been bantered about. Holtz will put up points in the NHL if he is given the chance to play with top 6 linemates. That's what a scoring forward is supposed to do. It might not be with NJ, but IMO it will happen.

Sorry for the diatribe, LOL

Tying your happiness to an AHL team is a tough go.

It’s a weird situation. Besides Holtz and Nemec most of the AHL team isn’t worth the time. Maybe they didn’t feel the need to supplement them as much.

Its sad when people get hurt. I remember how promising Talvitie was before he destroyed his knee. Ty missed time last year and this year. I don’t think there is a reason to be upset about it.
 

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What's with the Foote movement?

AHL transactions page:
3/17/23 Nolan Foote Recalled to NJ
3/18/23 Nolan Foote Returned to Utica
3/19/23 Nolan Foote Recalled to NJ
Strange back and forth, but he certainly played well tonight with the big club. He should stick with the Devils next season as a "bottom 6er", not just because of the waiver thing. He'll likely never be a top line forward, which I can understand the disappointment, but he does bring some things to the game.
 
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What's with the Foote movement?

AHL transactions page:
3/17/23 Nolan Foote Recalled to NJ
3/18/23 Nolan Foote Returned to Utica
3/19/23 Nolan Foote Recalled to NJ
Probably paper transactions for salary cap management. After the trade deadline NHL rosters can expand beyond 23 but teams still have to remain under the cap until the regular season ends.
 

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What's with the Foote movement?

AHL transactions page:
3/17/23 Nolan Foote Recalled to NJ
3/18/23 Nolan Foote Returned to Utica
3/19/23 Nolan Foote Recalled to NJ
It might genuinely be so the Devils have cap space to sign Luke at the end of the year.

We have about 1 million in space after the Lazar acquisition, but with Foote up, I believe he cuts into that space since no one is on LTIR and we’re carrying 3G with Schmid on the roster.
 

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Probably paper transactions for salary cap management. After the trade deadline NHL rosters can expand beyond 23 but teams still have to remain under the cap until the regular season ends.
Yeah that's understandable.

Do you know what the scoop on Hawryluk is? Injured?
 

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Lazar took a week to arrive because of visa issues and I assume that's what's going on with Hawryluk, it's just more difficult for players who are not American citizens to play immediately in the US.

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You'd think someone in charge would let people know, eh? I've seen or heard nothing around here about the guy. If that's the case it would be understandable.
The Comets played in Belleville the day he and Blujus were changing teams. All they had to do was walk down the hall and change locker rooms. The Comets played Belleville again a while later and Blujus was in the lineup for the Sens. We have yet to see Jayce.
You would think the countries had a better way of speeding this process up. I mean the guy had to clear all the immigration stuff to play in Canada in the first place. It should just be a formality. Hah! Not the way government works. Foot dragging is the norm.
 

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I have no idea. I assumed it was a work visa issue but wouldn't he still be able to play for the Comets during the three games in Canada. Maybe he is injured.
I'm glad to see you are as confused as I. LOL

It might genuinely be so the Devils have cap space to sign Luke at the end of the year.

We have about 1 million in space after the Lazar acquisition, but with Foote up, I believe he cuts into that space since no one is on LTIR and we’re carrying 3G with Schmid on the roster.
Yeah, it's a circus with player clowns. LOL
 

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Syracuse Crunch @ Utica Comets

Final Score -
Utica 4 Syracuse 3

SOG:
Crunch - 10
Comets - 10

PP:
Crunch - 0/2
Comets -1/3

Scoring
Halonen (17) From Russo (20) and Clarke (28) PP - Yeah! #31 ranked of 32 AHL teams scored a PPG.
Ibragimov (3) From Pinho (16) and Walsh (28)
Pinho (10) from Walsh (29) and Groleau (8)
Wotherspoon (4) from Nemec (17)

Poulter - 24/27

3***
#1 Brian Pinho (Utica Comets) 1 G/ 1 A
#2 Graeme Clarke (Utica Comets) 1 A
#3 Isaac Poulter (Utica Comets) 24/27

Playoff race:
Utica defeats Syracuse 4-3 and moves back into 2nd over the Crunch by 2 points who still have a game in hand.
Rochester defeated Hershey 4-3 to move within 3 of Syracuse. They also have a game in hand on the Comets.
Belleville lost 5-2 to Bridgeport and are now 4 behind Rochester.
Cleveland defeated #1 Toronto 3-2 in OT to move out of the basement and sit tied for the 5th and final playoff spot.
Milwaukee defeated Laval 3-2 dropping the Rocket into 7th and last place in the North. 1 week ago Laval held the 5th spot.

Standings in the North:
GP 63 Toronto 85 PTs
GP 62 Utica 70 PTs
GP 61 Syracuse 68 PTs
GP 61 Rochester 65 PTs
GP 63 Belleville 61 PTs
GP 60 Cleveland 61 PTs
GP 63 Laval 60 Pts

Utica faces Rochester tomorrow in Utica at 7pm.
Syracuse is home to Hershey.

What a shitstorm the North Division is turning into. There are only only 72 games in the season.
 

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How in the world can Tyce be 5 inches shorter and 55 pounds lighter than his own brother Tage ?
 

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Rochester Americans @ Utica Comets

Final score:
Rochester 1 Utica 0 (SO)

SOG:
Amerks - 11 14 8 2 = 36
Comets - 5 7 6 3 = 21

No Scoring through Regulation and Overtime

Daws 35/35
The score says it must have been a pretty tight game. The SOG give you a better indication. The only thing that kept this game the way it ended was Nico Daws. What a game he played on his return from an injury. He had not played since 3/1 and missed 9 games.

The Amerks owned the ice for the entire game except for a couple shifts, a breakaway by Stevens, and a good chance in OT. The Comets couldn't catch a breath before being hounded by an Amerk. They had lots of difficulty just getting the puck to center ice. The Rochester speed killed them foreshadowing playoff troubles.

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The Comets dumped the puck in and the Amerks recovered it before a Comet got near it and their breakout happened immediately. The Comet were always trailing their breakout. If A Comet did get there in time to confront the first Amerk back, a 2nd Amerk immediately joined the 1st creating an outmanned board battle. The board battles for puck control were almost always won by the Amerks.

The Rochester breakout was fast with accurate passing to always open candidates. They came into the Utica zone with speed and what always seemed to be with an extra man. The Comets idea of defense was already known by the Amerks, 5 guys back between the dots. It hasn't changed one iota since last season. This is exactly how they defeated the Comets last Spring. They attacked the net front and the rebounds, blocked shots, missed nets, and feeble attempts by the Comets to sweep the puck out of danger were gathered by whatever 2 guys had rotated to cover the points. It was a shooting gallery through a maze of net front confusion. Comets control for a breakout was 1 guy trying to skate out of the zone and hoepfully was joined by a second to pass the puck to sideways in the neutral zone. If was accurate (not the norm), it resulted in 3 outcomes:
1 - An Amerk had caught up and tied him up and a neutral zone battle ensued. If the Comets won the puck was passed back into their zone where they tried to regroup and get it up ice. If they lost possession, the Amerks stormed right back in.

2 - Either the Comet skating the puck out dumped it in or the guy he passed it to dumped it in.

3 - Once in a while they were able to skate it in and try to get set up, but there offense was pretty much limited to a 1 and out. The 1 wasn't that much of a challenge either if it wasn't either wide or blocked. The shot totals reveal just how that went.

If the Comets were able to get the puck into the Rochester end for a decent amount of time, mostly they continually battled just to keep possession on the perimeter. Any bobbled pass, miss control of the puck, a weak pass, or a flubbed shot resulted in an Amerk defender rushing the puck. More shot attempts were blocked right a the point of contact with the puck. That's how fast they were on the puck carrier.

Daws was simply the only answer the Comets had to the Amerks 200 foot pressure the puck game.

It was Rochester 1 for 2 points and Daws forcing OT and then the Shootout for 1 point. In the Shootout he stopped all 3 of the Rochester shots in the established 3 shots each format of the silly means of settling ties. The Comets just can't handle the puck well enough to score on breakaways.

Clarke missed the net.
Holtz was stopped.
Parent got too close and was bumped by the keeper turning his angle and his shot went wide.
Stevens was stopped.

Comets play this afternoon at 5 pm in Syracuse.

The Comets have 9 games remaining counting today. 4 of those games are against Syracuse and 3 are against Rochester. The other 2 are against Division champ Toronto and the current hottest team in the North, Cleveland, who have defeated Toronto twice this week, once in OT and yesterday shut them out.

The Comets have themselves in a vice that's tightening. They won't have to lose many games to find themselves in seriously deep, deep hot water. Having to play a 3-game play-in isn't the way you want to start the playoffs. They will be seriously lacking talent in comparison when the playoffs start anyways. Finishing 4th and having to face Cleveland, who will be loaded with guys dropped down from Columbus is not the way you'd like to things start out.
 

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Utica Comets @ Syracuse Crunch

Forwards:
Gambardella/Schmelzer/Clarke
Ibragimov/Pinho/Thompson
Geertsen/Talvitie/Rotation RWs
Parent/Engaras/Laberge

D-Pairs:
Wotherspoon/Nemec
Hayes//Russo
Groleau/Walsh
Gourley

Goal - Poulter

Scratches:
Robinson (BU)
Daws (H)
Stevens (H?)
Holtz (H?)
Hutchison (Inj)
Halonen (Inj)
Vukojevic (Inj)
Hatakka (Inj)
Hawryluk (?)

According to Shaya they are resting Holtz and Stevens to keep players fresh. Are you
F--king kidding me?
Scratching Holtz (probably their best forward) and Stevens (back from injury for the 1st time last night.
They are skating 11 forwards/ All of whom have been playing in every one of the last few games. This is the way to keep[ players rested?
The Comets need points to stay in the race. Dineen is suffering from dementia.
 

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Gambardella a shot stopped.

Poulter a kick save on a shot by the point man marching right down the middle and letting fly from the slot.

Geertsen wrister held onto for a whistle.

Clarke easy shot stopped.

2 on1 and Russo blocks a shot with the net wide open as Poulter played the shooter who passed it.

Crunch all over the Comets. Poulter a big stop. They are all over and the Comets struggle to get ti out. Pinho cannot win any kind of puck battle. It has been evident all season and he is playing exactly the same way tonight.

Clarke has handled the puck 3 times. The forementioned lackadisical wrist shot, a giveaway cross ice pass at the attacking blue line, and a limp wristed pass in his own end picked off.

Schmelzer and Gambardella on a 2 on 1, Schmelzer's shot shouldered away. Crunch ice it.

Groleau a long shot saved but a huge rebound.

Shot in front stopped. Poulter is down and the Comets can't get it out of the slot and Edmonds sweeps in on the puck and shoots it into the empty net.

1-0 Crunch
10:13
 

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Comets get a chance on the same type of rebound that the Crunch just scored on and the Parent shot goes wide.

Crunch hit the post from the low slot off the rush as the Comets point man, Walsh fell down.

Save by Poulter.

Poulter another stop after an extensive amount of Crunch possession and puck movement in the Comets zone. Utica can't do anything once the Crunch get possession. That was a long shift.

Faceoff results in the same pressure.

Comets finally getout and dump it.

Crunch back in and the Comets keep chasing.

Comet turnover on the end boards and the Robert walked right in front of the net and deposited it on the backhander.

2-0 Crunch
15:57

2 huge saves by Poulter. Delayed penalty on the Comets. Poulter another stop.

Nemec 2 for cross checking.

Cross ice 1-timer and it's 3-0.

Comets weren't even in th eball park on that one.

3-0
18:12

Period ends and it's 3-0.

SOG 18/7 Crunch.

Dineen is a coaching genius!
 

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Comets get a chance on the same type of rebound that the Crunch just scored on and the Parent shot goes wide.

Crunch hit the post from the low slot off the rush as the Comets point man, Walsh fell down.

Save by Poulter.

Poulter another stop after an extensive amount of Crunch possession and puck movement in the Comets zone. Utica can't do anything once the Crunch get possession. That was a long shift.

Faceoff results in the same pressure.

Comets finally getout and dump it.

Crunch back in and the Comets keep chasing.

Comet turnover on the end boards and the Robert walked right in front of the net and deposited it on the backhander.

2-0 Crunch
15:57

2 huge saves by Poulter. Delayed penalty on the Comets. Poulter another stop.

Nemec 2 for cross checking.

Cross ice 1-timer and it's 3-0.

Comets weren't even in th eball park on that one.

3-0
18:12

Period ends and it's 3-0.

SOG 18/7 Crunch.

Dineen is a coaching genius!
How do you know that the resting didn’t extend to Dineen and they just put my mother in law behind the bench? That would explain the dementia
 
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