Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[LadyStanley]

 

[Celly4Celebrini]

Y’all can read the whole article if you want, it’s just a quick summary of all the teams. Seravalli mentions Timo, Reimer, Bonino, Nieto, and Merkley as trade pieces.

Also quick aside, Seravalli might be a solid follow for Sharks fans. He seems to talk about them a bit more than other writers and is normally the first with the scoop. He broke Merkley’s trade request and a few signings last year.

he also broke the Seattle expansion draft the morning of. What a guy

 

[Gecklund]

I was just thinking about the last year of this team and man Joe Will set us back way more than we give him credit for. We could have sold off Hertl for at least an extra first last year, Middleton for a 2nd, Ferraro for a 2nd, Reimer for a 2nd but instead all we did is get a meh goalie and a 5th (for Cogliano).

We sell those pieces off we end up picking top 10 likely and get one of Savoie, Mintyukov, Kasper, or Korchinski. With the extra first from Hertl we still pick up Bystedt. With the 3 2nds we still pick up Lund and Havelid but also add in say Goyette.

We also end up sucking this year and are in better position to pick one of the top 4 of this draft AND have the cap flexibility to pick up more picks/prospects.

Eklund-Carlsson-Timo
xxx-Goyette-Bordeleau
Lund-Bystedt-Gushchin
Coe-Robins-Raska

Mintyukov-xxx
xxx-Laroque
Kniazev-Havelid

That’s MILES better than what they have now.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Sharking taking another guy the fell in love with 5+ years ago...

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

 

[Gecklund]

I know nothing about him but looking at stats he looks like Pederson 2.0

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

Apparently he’s a decent waiver wire guy.

Checking line center that isn’t an offensive black hole. Physical, high energy guy that doesn’t have bad advanced stats.

54% Corsi For, +3.4% corsi for relative,51% xGF%

I know nothing about him but looking at stats he looks like Pederson 2.0

The winny fans were/are sad that he got claimed, so good sign.

 

[The Nemesis]

There's no way that's not a fake player that Pashelka just made up to drive clicks.

 

[Gecklund]

Apparently he’s a decent waiver wire guy.

Checking line center that isn’t an offensive black hole. Physical, high energy guy that doesn’t have bad advanced stats.

54% Corsi For, +3.4% corsi for relative,51% xGF%


The winny fans were/are sad that he got claimed, so good sign.

I mean VAN fans were livid that we claimed Gadjovich and look how that worked out. Fans aren’t the most rational source of news.

 

[Alaskanice]

Replacing Kunin?

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

I mean VAN fans were livid that we claimed Gadjovich and look how that worked out. Fans aren’t the most rational source of news.

Rationally so. He was a 21 year old second round pick who just scored a PPG in the AHL. It would be like us waiving Robbins next year if he scored at a PPG with the Cuda this year.

 

[Gecklund]

Rationally so. He was a 21 year old second round pick who just scored a PPG in the AHL. It would be like us waiving Robbins next year if he scored at a PPG with the Cuda this year.

He played 19 games that year he had 18 points. He has (and had) a good shot but that’s about it. The rest is shit.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I look at this as a stopgap move for when they start moving their other rentals. I believe they can get draft picks back for Bonino and Nieto. Having someone to fill those spots, even if they're literally just warm bodies, allows them to not utilize more of the Cuda to cover for that.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Re-signing Hertl was such a mistake for this franchise, and failing to trade Meier at the deadline would be even worse. It’s tough, because emotionally I absolutely adore both those guys, but I have a fun feeling we’ll finish like 7th instead of 4th because of them.

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

He played 19 games that year he had 18 points. He has (and had) a good shot but that’s about it. The rest is shit.

Yes, but all things considering, seems like bad asset management to waive him without giving him a shot. IIRC, that’s what the Nuck fans were upset about, not necessarily so much losing Gadjo himself.

Didn’t pan out, but there was a decent chance he could’ve been a decent 3rd liner when he was waived.

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

Re-signing Hertl was such a mistake for this franchise, and failing to trade Meier at the deadline would be even worse. It’s tough, because emotionally I absolutely adore both those guys, but I have a fun feeling we’ll finish like 7th instead of 4th because of them.

The worst mistake MG could possibly make is not trading Meier. He's sure to fetch at least a 1st in a talent rich 2023 draft. MG's whole, sole focus, should be to absolutely make this team as bad as possible THIS year in order to better our chances of drafting in the top 3. I mean, seriously. I think the turn around could be quicker than people expect with a core of Hertl, Eklund and a lottery pick like Carlsson or Bedard. Off loading EK's salary and not having to shell out a massive pay day to Meier should benefit us in trying to attract some decent pieces in FA. The thought of Carlsson and Hertl on a line together is so so tantalizing.

 

[PattyLafontaine]

Except that we're talking about players, not coin-flips or widgets.

Game theory addresses the correct choices for players. I do not know why people argue agaisnt statistical probability. It's like arguing against science with feelings.

There is no argument you are just wrong.

 

[Groo]

The worst mistake MG could possibly make is not trading Meier. He's sure to fetch at least a 1st in a talent rich 2023 draft. MG's whole, sole focus, should be to absolutely make this team as bad as possible THIS year in order to better our chances of drafting in the top 3. I mean, seriously. I think the turn around could be quicker than people expect with a core of Hertl, Eklund and a lottery pick like Carlsson or Bedard. Off loading EK's salary and not having to shell out a massive pay day to Meier should benefit us in trying to attract some decent pieces in FA. The thought of Carlsson and Hertl on a line together is so so tantalizing.

I can't see that having been a big selling point to Hasso for the job. "As bad as possible"

 

[LadyStanley]

2023 Trade Deadline Countdown: Western Conference Objectives

The West promises to be wild at the deadline, with some big names potentially available and some major tank jobs...

www.dailyfaceoff.com

San Jose Sharks
Top Objective: Continue to Dismantle
Scoop: Yes, of course, the Sharks would love to land Bedard like any of these other teams. But if Erik Karlsson continues to pile up points as he seeks to become the NHL’s first 100-point defenseman in 31 years, well then their odds are going to be pretty small compared to others. Timo Meier will be a big name in play ahead of March 3 as he puts together a career season. They also have other veterans such as Nick Bonino, Matt Nieto and James Reimer who will generate interest, plus Ryan Merkley has asked for a trade. GM Mike Grier has a lot of demolition to do as he coordinates the Sharks’ teardown.

Grier keeping some cards close to chest. Others are on the table.

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

Oh my goodness. Timo has a corsi for relative of 17.8%. Karlsson has 18.5%.

Without them, good chance we are 1st in the Bedard sweepstakes.

Only in shorks land would the first 100 point season from a defenseman in 30 years be a franchise changing mistake.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Game theory addresses the correct choices for players. I do not know why people argue agaisnt statistical probability. It's like arguing against science with feelings.

There is no argument you are just wrong.

50% of marriages end in divorce. Hence, if you get married there is a 50% chance it will end in divorce.

Agree or disagree?

 

[Juxtaposer]

Game theory addresses the correct choices for players. I do not know why people argue agaisnt statistical probability. It's like arguing against science with feelings.

There is no argument you are just wrong.

I disagree completely. Parity is so strong in the NHL that Cups are won on the margins. Brayden Point was not the “correct choice” to be drafted by your theory, and yet if Tampa doesn’t pick him they never win a Stanley Cup.

Most decisions can be made by “game theory”, but the goal is to find the people who are capable of making game theory-breaking decisions and getting them right with regularity. If you only play the odds, you’ll never win a Cup.

 

[LadyStanley]

FWIW, with the addition of Eyssimont, the Sharks are at 50 active contracts (plus Laroque).

So any trade deals with have to be equal or less # of contracts returning.

(They can sign kids to NHL deals for next season. But until they trade away someone, they'd have to only sign AHL deals for this season.)

 

[TheBeard]

The worst mistake MG could possibly make is not trading Meier. He's sure to fetch at least a 1st in a talent rich 2023 draft. MG's whole, sole focus, should be to absolutely make this team as bad as possible THIS year in order to better our chances of drafting in the top 3. I mean, seriously. I think the turn around could be quicker than people expect with a core of Hertl, Eklund and a lottery pick like Carlsson or Bedard. Off loading EK's salary and not having to shell out a massive pay day to Meier should benefit us in trying to attract some decent pieces in FA. The thought of Carlsson and Hertl on a line together is so so tantalizing.

I actually think it may be more beneficial to pick up his QO and trade him at next year's deadline so that giant 10 mil isn't lingering over everyone's head. He should have another 35 goal 80 point pace and that'll be three in three years and still young.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Oh my goodness. Timo has a corsi for relative of 17.8%. Karlsson has 18.5%.

Without them, good chance we are 1st in the Bedard sweepstakes.

Only in shorks land would the first 100 point season from a defenseman in 30 years be a franchise changing mistake.

If the Sharks had moved Hertl and Meier last year...I hope that's not something that's looked back on as a defining mistake.