Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[Gecklund]

What are people's thoughts on offer sheeting Lafreniére? up to 4.2m is only a 2nd.

a deal around 3.5aav really puts the squeeze on the Rangers, who have to pay Miller (priority IMO) and fill holes from Tarasenko and Kane.

I don't think he's a world beater but for a 2nd it could be worth injecting more age-relative youth into the core.

I’d rather offersheet Miller.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

What are people's thoughts on offer sheeting Lafreniére? up to 4.2m is only a 2nd.

a deal around 3.5aav really puts the squeeze on the Rangers, who have to pay Miller (priority IMO) and fill holes from Tarasenko and Kane.

I don't think he's a world beater but for a 2nd it could be worth injecting more age-relative youth into the core.

If he becomes available, I'd look to trade for him by swapping like Gregor or Zetterlund with a draft pick for him but let others do the offer sheet route to put them in the pinch. With Grier, we're the team that could benefit from such threats as an alternative to being forced to match. I can't imagine that Laf is going to be all that difficult for the Rangers to re-sign. After that scoreless playoff performance, it's likely in his best interest to settle on a bridge deal and get better.

 

[tiburon12]

I’d rather offersheet Miller.

yea same but that's a pipe dream haha

 

[tiburon12]

If he becomes available, I'd look to trade for him by swapping like Gregor or Zetterlund with a draft pick for him but let others do the offer sheet route to put them in the pinch. With Grier, we're the team that could benefit from such threats as an alternative to being forced to match. I can't imagine that Laf is going to be all that difficult for the Rangers to re-sign. After that scoreless playoff performance, it's likely in his best interest to settle on a bridge deal and get better.

I guess my thought was that LAF is likely worth more than a 2nd via pure trade, based on pedigree and potential. If he was a player Grier was interested in (i'd argue most teams should be), OS'ing him would be the most cost-effective way to go about that.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I guess my thought was that LAF is likely worth more than a 2nd via pure trade, based on pedigree and potential. If he was a player Grier was interested in (i'd argue most teams should be), OS'ing him would be the most cost-effective way to go about that.

Maybe but I can’t imagine the Rangers not being aware of that and moving him where they would prefer over letting that play out if they can’t come to an agreement. I don’t think they want to get into what Carolina and Montreal got into over Laf. If it’s time for them to move on because of his value on his next deal then they’ll move him at the draft.

 

[one2gamble]

I guess my thought was that LAF is likely worth more than a 2nd via pure trade, based on pedigree and potential. If he was a player Grier was interested in (i'd argue most teams should be), OS'ing him would be the most cost-effective way to go about that.

what is this potential you speak of.

 

[Gecklund]

what is this potential you speak of.

It’s like the potential that Yakupov had for years. It’s a bunch of prayers and hopes that he can figure something out.

No but seriously I wouldn’t spend a 2nd on Laf right now. I’d do something like Laf+Goodrow for Labanc though.

 

[Barrie22]

It’s like the potential that Yakupov had for years. It’s a bunch of prayers and hopes that he can figure something out.

No but seriously I wouldn’t spend a 2nd on Laf right now. I’d do something like Laf+Goodrow for Labanc though.

Just labanc is an overpayment for laf.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

It’s like the potential that Yakupov had for years. It’s a bunch of prayers and hopes that he can figure something out.

No but seriously I wouldn’t spend a 2nd on Laf right now. I’d do something like Laf+Goodrow for Labanc though.

The guy still scored 19 goals and then 16 goals as a 20/21 year old. Definitely worth a 2nd atleast.

Everyone calling him a bust is going extreme. Still a solid middle-6 winger, just not a 1st overall pick.

 

[Gecklund]

Just labanc is an overpayment for laf.

I don’t agree with that at all. Labanc has already lost in his spot in the top 6 for next season. He’s going to have to fight for it and honestly is likely fighting a losing battle based on age and contract status. Goodrow at least can play all three forward positions. Add in Laf who is still only 21 by the way and Labanc loses out even more.

The guy still scored 19 goals and then 16 goals as a 20/21 year old. Definitely worth a 2nd atleast.

Everyone calling him a bust is going extreme. Still a solid middle-6 winger, just not a 1st overall pick.

It’s not about value. It’s about the Rangers not being able to fit him and me not wanting to give up picks. I’m guessing his contract comes in above Kakko’s which is 2.2. Let’s say he comes in at 2.4 so I can keep my math easy. Rangers realistically upgrade on Laf RIGHT NOW for Labanc at 4.6 and dump Goodrow who hasn’t been very good for them. They clear out an extra 1.4M. That should give them enough room to resign Miller and add another top 6 winger which they wouldn’t be able to now.

This whole post was very rambly and I apologize for that

 

[tiburon12]

It’s like the potential that Yakupov had for years. It’s a bunch of prayers and hopes that he can figure something out.

No but seriously I wouldn’t spend a 2nd on Laf right now. I’d do something like Laf+Goodrow for Labanc though.

Look, I can't tell you what the potential of our 2nd this year will be, but i can guarantee our chances of getting a 40pt (at minimum) winger are less than 100%, which would be the chance if the 2nd is spent on LAF.

Since he doesnt need to figure anything out for it to be worth a 2nd, i think that's reason enough to entertain the idea. A trade might be more favorable but it also might not exist.

 

[Gecklund]

Look, I can't tell you what the potential of our 2nd this year will be, but i can guarantee our chances of getting a 40pt (at minimum) winger are less than 100%, which would be the chance if the 2nd is spent on LAF.

Since he doesnt need to figure anything out for it to be worth a 2nd, i think that's reason enough to entertain the idea. A trade might be more favorable but it also might not exist.

Again it has nothing to do with value and everything to do with the Rangers situation and me not wanting to give up picks.

 

[sharks_dynasty]

Has it already been discussed that we also signed defensemen Valtteri Pulli?

 

[Lebanezer]

Has it already been discussed that we also signed defensemen Valtteri Pulli?

Confirmed with Link: - Sharks sign a 6'6 Finish Defenceman, Valtteri Pulli (edit: Or not?) (edit: Actually yes)

https://sanjosehockeynow.com/san-jose-sharks-valtteri-pulli-tps-turku/ Grier: You had me at 6'6

forums.hfboards.com

 

[mogambomoroo]

With how the Toronto has played in the 2nd round in these playoffs and going for the serious question involving their big 4, can you guys see a deal involving Couture for Nylander? I know we are not competing right now, but I could see it as a bridge towards refreshing our core and using Nylander as a trade chip if he doesn't want to be part of our future. Nylander has 1 year left after this season and is a UFA. Sharks also get out of another aging contract that could benefit a guaranteed playoff team (not saying contender because the multiple 1st round exits)
It could be a scenario worth giving a look if we draft Bedard/Fantilli.

I know that Couture for Nylander sounds bad in paper for Toronto, but since they haven't really had any real success in playoffs and Couture is a straight up playoff monster, had a decent season when paired with top 6 players, is a experienced veteran and can play center position I could see Toronto taking a gamble on him. He could be the other guy taking faceoffs if he is put on Matthews, Tavares or possibly O'Reilly line.

Am I totally lost on this trade proposition, or does Toronto have better options?

 

[STL Shark]

With how the Toronto has played in the 2nd round in these playoffs and going for the serious question involving their big 4, can you guys see a deal involving Couture for Nylander? I know we are not competing right now, but I could see it as a bridge towards refreshing our core and using Nylander as a trade chip if he doesn't want to be part of our future. Nylander has 1 year left after this season and is a UFA. Sharks also get out of another aging contract that could benefit a guaranteed playoff team (not saying contender because the multiple 1st round exits)
It could be a scenario worth giving a look if we draft Bedard/Fantilli.

I know that Couture for Nylander sounds bad in paper for Toronto, but since they haven't really had any real success in playoffs and Couture is a straight up playoff monster, had a decent season when paired with top 6 players, is a experienced veteran and can play center position I could see Toronto taking a gamble on him. He could be the other guy taking faceoffs if he is put on Matthews, Tavares or possibly O'Reilly line.

Am I totally lost on this trade proposition, or does Toronto have better options?

Center depth isn't what is plaguing Toronto. Their top guys are putting up numbers, but they can't keep the puck out of their own net. Whether is be a goaltending issue or just piss poor defense, the forward group is not what is maligning them. Marner (12), Matthews (11), Rielly (11), ROR (9), Nylander (8), Tavares (7).

Their top 5 forwards are carrying the load and doing it well (along with their #1 D). It is the rest of the roster that is letting them down. Trading one of their top guys up front is likely, but it won't be for just another top 6 forward. Would have to actually address their needs on defense.

 

[Barrie22]

Center depth isn't what is plaguing Toronto. Their top guys are putting up numbers, but they can't keep the puck out of their own net. Whether is be a goaltending issue or just piss poor defense, the forward group is not what is maligning them. Marner (12), Matthews (11), Rielly (11), ROR (9), Nylander (8), Tavares (7).

Their top 5 forwards are carrying the load and doing it well (along with their #1 D). It is the rest of the roster that is letting them down. Trading one of their top guys up front is likely, but it won't be for just another top 6 forward. Would have to actually address their needs on defense.

Those 6 players have a combined 6 points in 3 games. They have not been carrying the team. And only 2 goals.

 

[tiburon12]

Those 6 players have a combined 6 points in 3 games. They have not been carrying the team. And only 2 goals.

and 0 of those points came from the two highest paid players

 

[Barrie22]

and 0 of those points came from the two highest paid players

Yeah, 5 of the points come from 2 players. 5 from the 2 Reilly's. So the top lines have a combined 1 point.

 

[stator]

What are people's thoughts on offer sheeting Lafreniére? up to 4.2m is only a 2nd.

a deal around 3.5aav really puts the squeeze on the Rangers, who have to pay Miller (priority IMO) and fill holes from Tarasenko and Kane.

I don't think he's a world beater but for a 2nd it could be worth injecting more age-relative youth into the core.

Rangers will find $4.2m x 1 easily. Since he was the first pick overall in the draft, I think an offer sheet will likely be just a paperwork exercise of the Sharks' office. Plus, the Rangers being in the other conference, they are probably a trading partner. No sense in burning that bridge.

 

[STL Shark]

Those 6 players have a combined 6 points in 3 games. They have not been carrying the team. And only 2 goals.

Meant more for the entirety of the postseason. The Toronto issues are not with the top guys. It's with a putrid defense, bad goaltending, and a bad bottom 6. Their only chance is with the top guys going off. They did that in the Tampa series and won. They're not right now and down 3-0 as a result because the roster is flawed on the backend.

 

[mogambomoroo]

Good points about the Couture/Nylander swap, but I had my mind more on the ''it'' factor that Couture has had in the playoffs that Nylander doesn't necessary have. I feel like they need Couture type of player right now, to score when Matthews/Marner/Tavares go quiet. But I can really agree on the defence not being cup contender ready yet and probably next on the list for them.

 

[Gecklund]

Rangers will find $4.2m x 1 easily. Since he was the first pick overall in the draft, I think an offer sheet will likely be just a paperwork exercise of the Sharks' office. Plus, the Rangers being in the other conference, they are probably a trading partner. No sense in burning that bridge.

Where are they going to find 4.2M? They have to resign Miller too and 2-4 other forwards (depending on prospects) and only have like 9M in cap space next year.

 

[Le Rosbeef]

With how the Toronto has played in the 2nd round in these playoffs and going for the serious question involving their big 4, can you guys see a deal involving Couture for Nylander? I know we are not competing right now, but I could see it as a bridge towards refreshing our core and using Nylander as a trade chip if he doesn't want to be part of our future. Nylander has 1 year left after this season and is a UFA. Sharks also get out of another aging contract that could benefit a guaranteed playoff team (not saying contender because the multiple 1st round exits)
It could be a scenario worth giving a look if we draft Bedard/Fantilli.

I know that Couture for Nylander sounds bad in paper for Toronto, but since they haven't really had any real success in playoffs and Couture is a straight up playoff monster, had a decent season when paired with top 6 players, is a experienced veteran and can play center position I could see Toronto taking a gamble on him. He could be the other guy taking faceoffs if he is put on Matthews, Tavares or possibly O'Reilly line.

Am I totally lost on this trade proposition, or does Toronto have better options?

Toronto wouldn't go for that without a significant add, and frankly, Nylander isn't much use to us either while we're rebuilding. He's a UFA at the end of next season - we'd have to massively overpay to keep him and he'll have just turned 28.

 

[OffSydes]

Good points about the Couture/Nylander swap, but I had my mind more on the ''it'' factor that Couture has had in the playoffs that Nylander doesn't necessary have. I feel like they need Couture type of player right now, to score when Matthews/Marner/Tavares go quiet. But I can really agree on the defence not being cup contender ready yet and probably next on the list for them.

Do we have any photos of Couture in Leaf pajamas?