Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part 1

[Pinkfloyd]

I just think if you're rebuilding, you can't give up guys that are key to that rebuild, i.e. Eklund.

I'd also be very uncomfortable giving away a 1st rounder in 2023 considering we have a real shot at Bedard.

The point is moot though, I just don't think we have what it takes. You can really tell how bad this team is when you try to put together a trade for a star and there's basically no one who is worth trading.

That and Calgary probably won't trade him within the division. Nobody expects an 8 year rebuild and nobody wants to compete with such a player within your division if you can help it.

 

[Reggae Shark]

What are the chances Timo doesn't re-up? I know there was a swiss article that quoted Timo not being happy with actual take home pay (maybe someone knows how to find that article). Anyone of the states with no income tax could significantly improve his take home, especially if were talking 8-10m. I would hope MG would be exploring and ready to trade if Timo is not on board.

 

[themelkman]

What are the chances Timo doesn't re-up? I know there was a swiss article that quoted Timo not being happy with actual take home pay (maybe someone knows how to find that article). Anyone of the states with no income tax could significantly improve his take home, especially if were talking 8-10m. I would hope MG would be exploring and ready to trade if Timo is not on board.

Im not feeling good about our odds of keeping him. Anyone will offer him what we can and a winning team would be interested in him.

Just look at Tkachuk right now, Meier can do the exact same thing

 

[gaucholoco3]

Anyone who says we only have 1.2 mil to sign the RFA’s is not reading CapFriendly effectively. With 4 roster spots left and Gadjovich, Lorentz, Gregor, and Ferraro to sign they have $6,404,999 in cap space. This is also assuming they run 13F, 7D, 3G. So moving Hill or Reimer would add 1.2 mil for them to use (not the full 2mil because they have to replace the roster spot with someone).

 

[Jargon]

Im not feeling good about our odds of keeping him. Anyone will offer him what we can and a winning team would be interested in him.

Just look at Tkachuk right now, Meier can do the exact same thing

I hope if that’s the case they trade him at the deadline for a haul.

 

[sharski]

What are the chances Timo doesn't re-up? I know there was a swiss article that quoted Timo not being happy with actual take home pay (maybe someone knows how to find that article). Anyone of the states with no income tax could significantly improve his take home, especially if were talking 8-10m. I would hope MG would be exploring and ready to trade if Timo is not on board.

Brb tweeting @MeierTimo to stop participating in the ESPP and switch to contributing to a traditional 401k instead of a roth

 

[WTFetus]

I just think if you're rebuilding, you can't give up guys that are key to that rebuild, i.e. Eklund.

I'd also be very uncomfortable giving away a 1st rounder in 2023 considering we have a real shot at Bedard.

The point is moot though, I just don't think we have what it takes. You can really tell how bad this team is when you try to put together a trade for a star and there's basically no one who is worth trading.

That’s how I feel as well. He still doesn’t make this team a contender so Eklund and the 2023 1st would be my two untouchables. I’d trade anyone else though, including Meier or Hertl. Agree that we also don’t have the package and I doubt Calgary would trade within the division. Also the Thornton trade was nearly 2 decades ago, trades and rumors run a lot differently now .

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

Tkachuk is exactly the kind of player MG would love to have.

 

[Alaskanice]

Tkachuk is exactly the kind of player MG would love to have.

Tkachuk is exactly the kind of player I would love to have.

 

[KirbyDots]

Tkachuk is exactly the kind of player I would love to have.

Tkachuk is exactly the kind of player every team in the league would love to have which means the chances of the Sharks, who have less assets and capspace, land him are next to nil.

 

[Jargon]

Would you do a Meier + 2nd for Tkachuk?

Feels like a lateral move, probably.

 

[Cas]

Would you do a Meier + 2nd for Tkachuk?

Feels like a lateral move, probably.

Tkachuk is a year younger and slightly better than Meier, but is otherwise a very similar player. I don't see much benefit in trading futures for Tkachuk unless you can guarantee he signs a lengthy extension (something like $9M/8 yrs) if Meier won't.

 

[Jargon]

Tkachuk is a year younger and slightly better than Meier, but is otherwise a very similar player. I don't see much benefit in trading futures for Tkachuk unless you can guarantee he signs a lengthy extension (something like $9M/8 yrs) if Meier won't.

Yeah. I’d honestly trade Hertl over Meier for Tkachuk but then of course we have no center.

 

[Barrie22]

Anyone who says we only have 1.2 mil to sign the RFA’s is not reading CapFriendly effectively. With 4 roster spots left and Gadjovich, Lorentz, Gregor, and Ferraro to sign they have $6,404,999 in cap space. This is also assuming they run 13F, 7D, 3G. So moving Hill or Reimer would add 1.2 mil for them to use (not the full 2mil because they have to replace the roster spot with someone).

With a team of.

Couture, hertl, meier, kunin, lindholm, labanc, eklund, bordeleau, sturm, bonino, nieto, barabanovov.

Vlasic, karlsson, simek, merkley, benning, nutivaara, ferraro.

Hill, kahkonen

That leaves us with 2.6 million after signing ferraro for 3 years at 3 million (more then i hope he gets).

The players you are signing are not needed to ice the team. We have a full team right now minus ferraro.

Removing hill or reimer is a bonus cap space, but truly not needed to stay cap compliant. Still best to do it though.

 

[Barrie22]

Tkachuk is a year younger and slightly better than Meier, but is otherwise a very similar player. I don't see much benefit in trading futures for Tkachuk unless you can guarantee he signs a lengthy extension (something like $9M/8 yrs) if Meier won't.

Where is meier weaker then either of the tkachuks? He is better offensively then both of them, better goal scorer then both. I would not trade meier for either of them.

 

[TheBeard]

Would you do a Meier + 2nd for Tkachuk?

Feels like a lateral move, probably.

Don’t know why Calgary would do it tbh

Where is meier weaker then either of the tkachuks? He is better offensively then both of them, better goal scorer then both. I would not trade meier for either of them.

Matthew just had a 42 goal/ 100+ Point season so very weird thing to say.

 

[WTFetus]

Would you do a Meier + 2nd for Tkachuk?

Feels like a lateral move, probably.

Easily.

 

[Grinner]

Pass on Tkachuck. Now it seems he's am it player but, I can't get past just how dirty a player he is.

No rats and Tkachuck is the great king rat

 

[Anomie2029]

Sharks are just not in a position to take a swing at Tkachuk.
I'd love him on the Sharks, but what they'd need to trade to get him would set the team back significantly (especially if he doesn't do a sign & trade and the sharks end up losing Meier and Tkachuk).

 

[Mattb124]

Matthew just had a 42 goal/ 100+ Point season so very weird thing to say.

How do you think their stats would differ if they swapped teams for the entirety of last season? My sense is that Meier's stats would be better and Tkachuk's would be worse, so the value is closer to even.

 

[Dicdonya]

With a team of.

Couture, hertl, meier, kunin, lindholm, labanc, eklund, bordeleau, sturm, bonino, nieto, barabanovov.

Vlasic, karlsson, simek, merkley, benning, nutivaara, ferraro.

Hill, kahkonen

That leaves us with 2.6 million after signing ferraro for 3 years at 3 million (more then i hope he gets).

The players you are signing are not needed to ice the team. We have a full team right now minus ferraro.

Removing hill or reimer is a bonus cap space, but truly not needed to stay cap compliant. Still best to do it though.

We just signed Kunin, Sturm, Kaapo and Linblom to contracts between 2 and 2.75 mil.

I know you said hope, not expect, but I would be absolutely stunned if Ferraro gets anything less than 4mil.

He had a hohum year, but the guy is still our best LD, and has the type of personality/work ethic that seems to be Grier's number one desired trait at the moment.

I have no idea how after signing someone like Kunin to 2.75, Grier could then turn around and try to argue that Ferraro should take less than 3 as our top LD playing 20+ mins a night.

I hope he gets about 4 (obviously would be stoked if its less and I am wrong about my assumptions) on a short term deal, instead of what I fear, locking him up long term at around 5-6mil.

 

[TheBeard]

How do you think their stats would differ if they swapped teams for the entirety of last season? My sense is that Meier's stats would be better and Tkachuk's would be worse, so the value is closer to even.

It’s not like Matthew has never had big seasons before.

 

[STL Shark]

We just signed Kunin, Sturm, Kaapo and Linblom to contracts between 2 and 2.75 mil.

I know you said hope, not expect, but I would be absolutely stunned if Ferraro gets anything less than 4mil.

He had a hohum year, but the guy is still our best LD, and has the type of personality/work ethic that seems to be Grier's number one desired trait at the moment.

I have no idea how after signing someone like Kunin to 2.75, Grier could then turn around and try to argue that Ferraro should take less than 3 as our top LD playing 20+ mins a night.

I hope he gets about 4 (obviously would be stoked if its less and I am wrong about my assumptions) on a short term deal, instead of what I fear, locking him up long term at around 5-6mil.

Difference between Ferraro and the others is that Ferraro is an inherited piece rather than a piece that Grier sought out for the team. Willingness to pay a guy that you inherit is much different than paying a guy that you're seeking out. The Ferraro deal strictly hinges on term. If they bridge him, he's signing the same 2 year $2.75M deal that everyone else signed (and is comparable for others in his scenario per capfriendly's comparable feature).

If they want to go long-term and buy up some UFA years, they could do a deal similar to what Dillon signed as a 24 year old when he came to SJ at around 4.6% of the cap for 5 years (would be about $3.8 million in Ferraro's circumstance).

My guess is they either bridge him at 2 years $2.75 million or go with a 4-5 year deal for $4 million or so. Ferraro is never going to be a point producer to the point that he gets 5-6 million dollars any time soon. Guy like Mattias Ekholm is the absolute ceiling for Ferraro and he played 6 years on a $3.75 million contract (and averaged 35 points per 82 games during that stretch) before getting his pay day that kicks in this coming season at age 32.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Difference between Ferraro and the others is that Ferraro is an inherited piece rather than a piece that Grier sought out for the team. Willingness to pay a guy that you inherit is much different than paying a guy that you're seeking out. The Ferraro deal strictly hinges on term. If they bridge him, he's signing the same 2 year $2.75M deal that everyone else signed (and is comparable for others in his scenario per capfriendly's comparable feature).

If they want to go long-term and buy up some UFA years, they could do a deal similar to what Dillon signed as a 24 year old when he came to SJ at around 4.6% of the cap for 5 years (would be about $3.8 million in Ferraro's circumstance).

My guess is they either bridge him at 2 years $2.75 million or go with a 4-5 year deal for $4 million or so. Ferraro is never going to be a point producer to the point that he gets 5-6 million dollars any time soon. Guy like Mattias Ekholm is the absolute ceiling for Ferraro and he played 6 years on a $3.75 million contract (and averaged 35 points per 82 games during that stretch) before getting his pay day that kicks in this coming season at age 32.

Ferraro is a guy that I'd give the max term for. If you can sign him for 8 years, 32 mil then I'd be alright with that. It's pretty clear that Ferraro's at least a solid 2nd pairing guy. Get him signed until he's 31 then let him go after that.

 

[gaucholoco3]

Ferraro is another guy who gets overvalued as a sharks pick that has overachieved his draft position in addition to him having the right attitude on and off the ice. He is at his absolute ceiling a #4D and ideally he is a #5 or #6. The problem with locking him up long term is that the Sharks don’t have a legit #3 who can carry him in the top 4 unless that is EK and then the 2nd pair would be crap. Giving him 4 years at a cap hit above 3mil is infinitely worse then any other deal MG has handed out this off season.