GDT: 2022-23 season LA Kings vs Vegas Golden Knights @7:00pm 10/11/22

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Where will the Kings finish this year?

  • Win Division

    Votes: 5 4.1%
  • Top 3 in Division

    Votes: 77 63.1%
  • Wild Card

    Votes: 30 24.6%
  • Miss playoffs

    Votes: 10 8.2%

  • Total voters
    122
The Kings bottom lines are going to feast in this division, a lot of teams in this division have garbage bottom sixes and the Kings have skilled guys. The top line is an area of concern, I don't know where Kopitar ranks as far as C's in the division but he is not on the caliber of Jack Eichel anymore and that is pretty clear. The Kings will need to have a balanced offense this season, after watching that game I am more confident in my more balanced statistical projections.
I totally agree. I feel Vegas has the best 4th line in the league, but outside of them there isn't much in the division. Every time the Kolesar line was out there I thought they might score, they are a total handful. That's what other fans will see in our bottom 6. If they continue to finish it's going to take a LOT of the onus off the top lines.

Kopitar is still strong, he makes things happen and can neutralize top opponents. But he's past the point where he can neutralize top guys then dominate on the other end. He'll make wonderful plays that make you take notice, but they are fewer and far between. Balance is absolutely the key.

It looks like that's the plan so far, too. Kopitar under 19 minutes with all those special teams? That's been unheard of, I think that was a key takeaway from the game. TM deserves a bit a Kudos for that. I think it would have been even more spread out had Vegas' 4th line not been so dominant.
 
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1 game-throw it out and move on.

I actually am excited for this team. Look forward to seeing each line and I feel like they will be competitive in every game. Get that PP going tho.
Yeah the big picture positive -- even with all the idiotic turnovers, ineffective PP, etc. -- the team kept fighting back and should have gotten (at least) 1 point...and maybe more. That bodes well. Lots of these mistakes are seemingly fixable. I'm excited for the season. Even though i'm incredibly frustrated at the ending result.
 
My hopes for an 82-0 are shattered.
Yeah the big picture positive -- even with all the idiotic turnovers, ineffective PP, etc. -- the team kept fighting back and should have gotten (at least) 1 point...and maybe more. That bodes well. Lots of these mistakes are seemingly fixable. I'm excited for the season. Even though i'm incredibly frustrated at the ending result.
But yes

But that second period needs to be addressed. It's like the whole team dude ludes after the first
 
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I think the Kings won’t get far if they keep the same defensive roster. Roy, Walker, and Edler are all useless now and it shows. Quick played crazy good at the Kings couldn’t win.
 
After having some time to calm down after last night's game...

Positives:

Vilardi looked great. It was really good to see him get the first goal of the year and see the excitement on his face. It really seems to me that he is going to take that next step this year. Looked great with Byfield and Iafallo. That line can be very dangerous.

Kaliyev is so dangerous with that shot. He needs to get more minutes and be a lot more involved on the Power Play. This dude is literally made for the power play. I'd really like to see Vilardi and Kaliyev more prioritized in that regard.

Quick looks to be in good form. The team really left him hanging out to dry and I don't think many other goalies would have stopped any of those shots.

The 1st and 2nd lines should do well. Kopitar doesn't look at slow as last year. Fiala did make a boneheaded play, but the skill is there and Kempe hasn't skipped a beat. Danault, Arvidsson and Moore had opportunities last night and I know that line will keep clicking.

Depth- The biggest difference from last year's team to me is forward depth. Fiala is a huge add. Vilardi wasn't a factor last year and not only looks like be belongs but is taking that next step. Byfield looks like he is ripe for another step forward as well.

Negatives:

Biggest negative for me was the defense. I have no idea what was going on last night, but I didn't see any of this in the preseason. Team defense as a whole looked like they were running around, out of position at times and just not prepared for the effort shown by Vegas.

Durzi - It's like for every great thing he does, he does an equally bad thing. What made it worse last night was that Roy was so bad. I think we already know what we get with Durzi. I pray that TM gets Clarke some meaningful ice time so we can get a better idea what he will do to impact this team. If you had to press me right now, i'd rather have Clarke. I just think his decision making is better and he isn't prone to as many defensive lapses.

Looking forward:

All in all, I think this team is too good not to have a really good season. I definitely think the PP will make up for any regression that comes in other areas. My biggest source of concern is the consistency of our defense and goaltending effort. If Petersen sucks as bad as last year, we could be trying to sneak into the playoffs later this year. Quick can't be counted on for 60+ games. There is no way that's happening at his age. The last time he played over 60 games was 2017-18. I think Quick gets 45-50 and Cal will get 30-35.

My hopes for an 82-0 are shattered.

But yes

But that second period needs to be addressed. It's like the whole team dude ludes after the first

Biggest difference maker last night was Vegas had a sustained effort after that Vilardi goal that lasted the rest of the game. Kings did not match their intensity and desire to win. The last play of the game was really terrible. Once Durzi was holding onto the puck behind the net and made that long outlet pass, I knew they were in trouble.
 
After having some time to calm down after last night's game...

Positives:

Vilardi looked great. It was really good to see him get the first goal of the year and see the excitement on his face. It really seems to me that he is going to take that next step this year. Looked great with Byfield and Iafallo. That line can be very dangerous.

Kaliyev is so dangerous with that shot. He needs to get more minutes and be a lot more involved on the Power Play. This dude is literally made for the power play. I'd really like to see Vilardi and Kaliyev more prioritized in that regard.

Quick looks to be in good form. The team really left him hanging out to dry and I don't think many other goalies would have stopped any of those shots.

The 1st and 2nd lines should do well. Kopitar doesn't look at slow as last year. Fiala did make a boneheaded play, but the skill is there and Kempe hasn't skipped a beat. Danault, Arvidsson and Moore had opportunities last night and I know that line will keep clicking.

Depth- The biggest difference from last year's team to me is forward depth. Fiala is a huge add. Vilardi wasn't a factor last year and not only looks like be belongs but is taking that next step. Byfield looks like he is ripe for another step forward as well.

Negatives:

Biggest negative for me was the defense. I have no idea what was going on last night, but I didn't see any of this in the preseason. Team defense as a whole looked like they were running around, out of position at times and just not prepared for the effort shown by Vegas.

Durzi - It's like for every great thing he does, he does an equally bad thing. What made it worse last night was that Roy was so bad. I think we already know what we get with Durzi. I pray that TM gets Clarke some meaningful ice time so we can get a better idea what he will do to impact this team. If you had to press me right now, i'd rather have Clarke. I just think his decision making is better and he isn't prone to as many defensive lapses.

Looking forward:

All in all, I think this team is too good not to have a really good season. I definitely think the PP will make up for any regression that comes in other areas. My biggest source of concern is the consistency of our defense and goaltending effort. If Petersen sucks as bad as last year, we could be trying to sneak into the playoffs later this year. Quick can't be counted on for 60+ games. There is no way that's happening at his age. The last time he played over 60 games was 2017-18. I think Quick gets 45-50 and Cal will get 30-35.



Biggest difference maker last night was Vegas had a sustained effort after that Vilardi goal that lasted the rest of the game. Kings did not match their intensity and desire to win. The last play of the game was really terrible. Once Durzi was holding onto the puck behind the net and made that long outlet pass, I knew they were in trouble.

If Vilardi is for real and can stick in that role it might just mean that Iafallo has to be a 4th liner. Which sucks for him, because this is the first time in Iafallo's career that he is probably in the perfect role for him. He is to good to be a 4th liner, but I guess you call it even since he played 1st line forever and was never good enough for that role.

They just can't keep Kaliyev on a line with Lizotte and Grundstrom. He needs to play with people who can get him the puck.
 
After having some time to calm down after last night's game...

Positives:

Vilardi looked great. It was really good to see him get the first goal of the year and see the excitement on his face. It really seems to me that he is going to take that next step this year. Looked great with Byfield and Iafallo. That line can be very dangerous.

Kaliyev is so dangerous with that shot. He needs to get more minutes and be a lot more involved on the Power Play. This dude is literally made for the power play. I'd really like to see Vilardi and Kaliyev more prioritized in that regard.

Quick looks to be in good form. The team really left him hanging out to dry and I don't think many other goalies would have stopped any of those shots.

The 1st and 2nd lines should do well. Kopitar doesn't look at slow as last year. Fiala did make a boneheaded play, but the skill is there and Kempe hasn't skipped a beat. Danault, Arvidsson and Moore had opportunities last night and I know that line will keep clicking.

Depth- The biggest difference from last year's team to me is forward depth. Fiala is a huge add. Vilardi wasn't a factor last year and not only looks like be belongs but is taking that next step. Byfield looks like he is ripe for another step forward as well.

Negatives:

Biggest negative for me was the defense. I have no idea what was going on last night, but I didn't see any of this in the preseason. Team defense as a whole looked like they were running around, out of position at times and just not prepared for the effort shown by Vegas.

Durzi - It's like for every great thing he does, he does an equally bad thing. What made it worse last night was that Roy was so bad. I think we already know what we get with Durzi. I pray that TM gets Clarke some meaningful ice time so we can get a better idea what he will do to impact this team. If you had to press me right now, i'd rather have Clarke. I just think his decision making is better and he isn't prone to as many defensive lapses.

Looking forward:

All in all, I think this team is too good not to have a really good season. I definitely think the PP will make up for any regression that comes in other areas. My biggest source of concern is the consistency of our defense and goaltending effort. If Petersen sucks as bad as last year, we could be trying to sneak into the playoffs later this year. Quick can't be counted on for 60+ games. There is no way that's happening at his age. The last time he played over 60 games was 2017-18. I think Quick gets 45-50 and Cal will get 30-35.



Biggest difference maker last night was Vegas had a sustained effort after that Vilardi goal that lasted the rest of the game. Kings did not match their intensity and desire to win. The last play of the game was really terrible. Once Durzi was holding onto the puck behind the net and made that long outlet pass, I knew they were in trouble.
Great write-up. I agree on pretty much every count. I was calling for Durzi to be benched last night, and I still think he should be so Clarke can get a look, but it might not be the best thing to do right away. Young players need to avoid their confidence being crushed, but that last pass that lost the game was just incredibly bad.
 
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I totally agree. I feel Vegas has the best 4th line in the league, but outside of them there isn't much in the division. Every time the Kolesar line was out there I thought they might score, they are a total handful. That's what other fans will see in our bottom 6. If they continue to finish it's going to take a LOT of the onus off the top lines.
They were routinely caving in the Kopitar line
 
Haven’t gotten to read the whole thread yet but I will, just copying and pasting the notes I took when I finally watched the game at 3 am haha. Then gonna get some coffee and see how off I am :laugh:

Real fun game between two teams who should be competing for the division. I love this team’s speed and aggressiveness now, they aren’t going to back down. And that’s a nice change.

So the guys we put in a position to succeed succeeded and the guy we put in a position to fail failed? Who knew!

Presesaon doesn’t matter and game 1 is just game 1, but the guys who took preseason seriously are flying, the guys who didn’t aren’t, and the guys coming off injuries/surgeries are by and large still getting going. Reminded me a little bit of the John Stevens offseason where everyone was saying preseason doesn’t matter then the vets who were sucking ass all preseason carried that over…hoping they’re still just shaking off the rust.

Those terrible 2nd periods are an ongoing pattern as is the bad bench management (too many men, bad line changes). Only 3 coaching staffs have more TMM calls over the last few years (not a problem last night, just a stat/symptom of the issue).

Quick does not look prepared to retire. Thank goodness. But reduce his workload or we will kill him. Imagine we see Cal vs. Seattle, hope he’s shaken off the LBI and the brain fog.

Kempe-Fiala seem to have some nice rush chemistry but Kopitar will never be able to join them, haha. That line got wrecked all night, father time is here for AK, picked up right where he left off last season, getting buried in his matchups. Fiala is better on the boards/in traffic than I thought, he’s like a speedier Iafallo there, but with high end vision. Watching him just casually muscle Pietrangelo was awesome and really highlighted his strength. I can see a little more why they thought he’d be a good complement too.

Nice line looked a little out of sync, Arvidsson also coming back from injury though. They had some real strong shifts in the 3rd, Logan Thompson low key came up big—everyone was looking at Quick and for obvious reason but LT was quietly strong all night too (but I’m biased, I’m a big fan and I think he’s their answer in net).

Byfield-Vilardi-Iafallo is the start of something beautiful, that first goal had me PUMPED, and that’s a huge confidence boost early in the year for them. Nice that it was a hard working goal finished with skill, they’ll need that to be successful. Byfield’s size and stick are allowing him to make up for him learning positioning vs. other great centers in the league. There were several times in the first when he was battling karlsson who was able to keep creating a small amount of space using his body but wasn’t able to get shots off due to QB’s stick.

4th line was relatively quiet but that’s good, they did some good checking and special teams work, I think Grundstrom put a dude into the bench

I knew something bad would happen w Durzi on the left side. Our veteran isn’t ready because he was injured so we’re going to put in our most defensively deficient kid on the left side instead is certainly some reasoning, especially vs. a veteran team. Most of the dmen looked a little rusty. Roy was just throwing the puck away a lot; everyone was looking at Durzi but often it was Roy’s mistakes putting them in bad spots. Anderson and Edler were physical but playing kind of sloppy in doing so.

I didn’t like Arvy’s body language there at all honestly, like yeah dude you did your job swooping around to provide an option for the breakout, that’s the bare minimum responsibility, congrats! no need to throw your hands up like Lundqvist because you didn’t immediately get the puck.

Eichel’s stupid face and body language are going to piss me off for a long time :laugh: that’s one cocky dude. Deservedly to a degree, imo, but still. Hate that he’s in our division but his health is good for the game. But I’ll never be able to unsee Marv from Home Alone.

It is becoming more and more apparent that at some point this season the D will be something like

Doughty/Anderson

“Soucy”/Clarke

Edler/Roy/Durzi/Spence

As the D needs a little more snarl, size, and balance. We have too many of the same/similar players with slight builds and slightly different O/D focus in Roy/Walker/Durzi/Spence



And Mark Stone is the man.
 
Absolutely, get back to me when you find the fundamental flaw in your logic.
"Fundamental flaw" is your middle name comparing Arvidsson to elite top players in the league. We are a team of moving parts, Arvy is not cemented to PP1. I can see a rotation of players in his role there when it doesn't work.
 
Thought the tide turned when McNabb crushed Grundstrom. As we've seen with this team, they don't necessarily step up when the other team decides to take it to them. Thought the Kings fell off the rest of the 1st period and didn't wake up until they were losing in the 3rd period.

I know a lot of people don't like to hear it and think that any of us that bemoan the team's softness are relics of a bygone era but this is still pro hockey and winning teams take it to the opposition as opposed to hoping that the game is played like a high-end pick-up game.

Skill is more important so the big takeaway from last night is Vilardi and also, IMO, Byfield. Hopefully we are gushing over Clarke on Thursday. These young skill prospects have to pan out or none of this stuff matters: just saying that this team will have to add toughness in a big way and it is going to cost a ton based on what contenders have been paying for it the past few seasons.
 
I'm wondering how long Fiala is going to stick on Kopi's wing. Stylistically, it never seemed like a fit, especially with Kempe on the other wing. You're looking at two good rush players and that's not Kopi most years but definitely not at 35. Kopi is slow it down, maintain possession in the o-zone and generate chances wearing out the opposing line. No idea how it's going to work without a worker bee on his line. Last season was the first season of his line routinely losing matchups. Is there a bounce back or is that the status quo now?
 
"Fundamental flaw" is your middle name comparing Arvidsson to elite top players in the league. We are a team of moving parts, Arvy is not cemented to PP1. I can see a rotation of players in his role there when it doesn't work.

Again, not your argument.....your argument was.....we should go with the hot players......me pointing out the idiocy of the argument is not me comparing Arvidsson to anyone.
 
I'm wondering how long Fiala is going to stick on Kopi's wing. Stylistically, it never seemed like a fit, especially with Kempe on the other wing. You're looking at two good rush players and that's not Kopi most years but definitely not at 35. Kopi is slow it down, maintain possession in the o-zone and generate chances wearing out the opposing line. No idea how it's going to work without a worker bee on his line. Last season was the first season of his line routinely losing matchups. Is there a bounce back or is that the status quo now?
I think Fiala would be much more effective with Moore/Danault. That line is successful because of pursuit and traffic, unlike the Kopitar line which is more pure skill play. I think Arvidsson would look better with Kopitar anyways, he's more of an Iafallo type with more skill.

Seems to me that Moore and Fiala along the boards would be really annoying for the opposition. That line transitions better, which plays into Fiala's strengths.
 
If Vilardi is for real and can stick in that role it might just mean that Iafallo has to be a 4th liner. Which sucks for him, because this is the first time in Iafallo's career that he is probably in the perfect role for him. He is to good to be a 4th liner, but I guess you call it even since he played 1st line forever and was never good enough for that role.

They just can't keep Kaliyev on a line with Lizotte and Grundstrom. He needs to play with people who can get him the puck.
But would it really ? If Todd spreads the minutes out a little more and you add Kupari to that 4th line, it could be a nice counter to VGK..
Kempe - Kopitar - Kaliyev
Fiala - Danault - Arvidsson
Moore - Byfield - Vilardi
Iafallo - Lizotte - Kupari
 
Again, not your argument.....your argument was.....we should go with the hot players......me pointing out the idiocy of the argument is not me comparing Arvidsson to anyone.
You seem to be going in circles. There is nothing idiotic about putting a player who is having a great game on the PP to replace one that averages 3 PP goals a year in his career in only his 2nd game after surgery. Wild bumped Matt Boldy to PP1 on occasion when he was on fire. Those idiotic coaches.



 
It's just one game, one (enormous) mistake, but Durzi continues to make mental errors in the defensive zone. I would bench him in favor of Clarke, but we'll see if that happens.
 
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You seem to be going in circles. There is nothing idiotic about putting a player who is having a great game on the PP to replace one that averages 3 PP goals a year in his career in only his 2nd game after surgery. Wild bumped Matt Boldy to PP1 on occasion when he was on fire. Those idiotic coaches.

Who in the hell was on fire last night? You're right though, they played Boldy on PP1, the 2nd he made a nice shot.....it didn't take games...right?

Jesus Christ.....f*** it, anything you can do to shit on coaching right, because your f***ing Squirt BBBB assistant coach told you one day you can coach too kid....right?

It's like you don't even pretend to understand what the f*** chemistry is, or the roles players have.....

No one last night had a "GREAT" game last night.....if you think anyone did you are more delusional than you think...

It's just one game, one (enormous) mistake, but Durzi continues to make mental errors in the defensive zone. I would bench him in favor of Clarke, but we'll see if that happens.

Meh, I actually would refer Walker gets benched over Durzi....for now.....did not like his game at all last night.
 
But would it really ? If Todd spreads the minutes out a little more and you add Kupari to that 4th line, it could be a nice counter to VGK..
Kempe - Kopitar - Kaliyev
Fiala - Danault - Arvidsson
Moore - Byfield - Vilardi
Iafallo - Lizotte - Kupari
I like it with small correction:

Kempe - Kopitar - Kaliyev
Moore - Danault - Arvidsson
Fiala- Byfield - Vilardi
Iafallo - Lizotte - Kupari
 
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Who in the hell was on fire last night? You're right though, they played Boldy on PP1, the 2nd he made a nice shot.....it didn't take games...right?

Jesus Christ.....f*** it, anything you can do to shit on coaching right, because your f***ing Squirt BBBB assistant coach told you one day you can coach too kid....right?

It's like you don't even pretend to understand what the f*** chemistry is, or the roles players have.....

No one last night had a "GREAT" game last night.....if you think anyone did you are more delusional than you think...



Meh, I actually would refer Walker gets benched over Durzi....for now.....did not like his game at all last night.
Or just release Walker and hope someone claims him…
Durzi shouldn’t be in the top 4 let alone getting 20min+, it’s literally a 4 vs 5 with him out there but he’s in valuable on the PP until Clarke is giving a shot at it..
Edler looks to have lost more than a step from last season and I’d much rather see
Bjornfot - Durzi in the 3rd pairing
 
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One of the biggest problems this team had last year was their play at home, which often lacked energy and looked flat.

That happened again last night.

Other than that, I don't think there's too much analysis you can really take away from this game.
 
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