GDT: 2022-23 season game 80 LA Kings vs Colorado Avalanche @7:30pm 4/8/23

[Johnny Utah]

Of course another cheap shot on a Kings player. LOL.

 

[kingsholygrail]

So which team do we want to get swept by?

 

[johnjm22]

Wonder any of the stats guys have presented Koala with these facts:
Durzi-Roy GA/P60 2.95
Gavrikov-Roy GA/P60 .32

To be fair, a lot of those goals against Durzi-Roy came earlier in the season when the Kings were having goaltending issues.

But the Gav-Roy pairing has been insane.

 

[jgs]

Wow. In about 10 days Kings went from 2nd in the conference down to 6TH. and might just end 7th by end of season. Not good.

 

[johnjm22]

This past week or so shouldn't really change anyone's opinion on this King's team.

When healthy and getting quality goaltending they're one of the best teams in the league.

The concern is obviously health, and even if healthy, they might have to play the best team in the league in round 1, which would probably end their season more quickly than they deserve.

 

[Johnny Utah]

This past week or so shouldn't really change anyone's opinion on this King's team.

When healthy and getting quality goaltending they're one of the best teams in the league.

The concern is obviously health, and even if healthy, they might have to play the best team in the league in round 1, which would probably end their season more quickly than they deserve.

Best and softest. Not built for playoffs.

 

[kingsfan28]

Well, Toby has already been sent down.
Congrads to Laferriere!
Hope he plays these last 2 games...and scores his first King goal and surpasses Turcotte...or nets 3 goals in 2 games, to tie Byfield.

LA Kings Sign Forward Alex Laferriere To Three-Year Entry-Level Contract | Los Angeles Kings

Laferriere, a third-round draft pick in 2020, scored his first career professional goal with AHL-Ontario on Friday

www.nhl.com

1st game in the AHL , scores a real nice goal. Same with the other new signee Krygier.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

This past week or so shouldn't really change anyone's opinion on this King's team.

When healthy and getting quality goaltending they're one of the best teams in the league.

The concern is obviously health, and even if healthy, they might have to play the best team in the league in round 1, which would probably end their season more quickly than they deserve.

They lost four critical games in regulation against three possible first round opponents.

Injuries or not, that doesn’t concern you? Seriously? The Avalanche just managed to beat us and they’re missing multiple key players. So what’s our excuse again?

 

[kingsfan28]

He was directly asked about Kupari not scoring on three chances tonight and if it was a good thing that the chances were coming or a bad thing that they didn't go in.

He said its great that the play was putting himself in the position to score but that eventually they have to go int.

I don't recall him mentioning Byfield but he DID mention Danault by name.

So your in the scrum most nights asking question like Zach and Carryln?

 

[johnjm22]

They lost four critical games in regulation against three possible first round opponents.

Injuries or not, that doesn’t concern you? Seriously? The Avalanche just managed to beat us and they’re missing multiple key players. So what’s our excuse again?

If I have to pick between a large sample size, and a small sample size, I'm going to pick the former.

The Kings owned the Avalanche last night. And it doesn't really affect my opinion one way or the other.

 

[kingsfan28]

Curious, because this entire board not you specifically, but you said it.....they all said Amadio is a bad hockey player (currently playing 3rd/4th line minutes on division leading Vegas) they said McNabb was horrible (currently 2nd pairing on division leading Vegas) everyone said Forbort was horrible (2nd pairing/3rd pairing on NHL leading Boston) etc,

Is it possibly that this boards view on what is and what is not a good NHL player a bit....warped? Talking about mid level players, everyone can look at McDavid and say good, everyone can look at MacEwen and say bad........but it seems nearly.....every player this board has labeled as bad.....has secured places on other highly competitive teams....why is that?

Amadio and McNabb are not good players , they're average at best . We saw them for years and now they're playing a very specific role on a good team, never really asked to do anything else. The only thing I miss is McNabbs toughness around the net, he's defense in no better than it was before. Also, they're both very cheap contracts on a cap strapped team.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

If I have to pick between a large sample size, and a small sample size, I'm going to pick the former.

The Kings owned the Avalanche last night. And it doesn't really affect my opinion one way or the other.

So just to make sure I follow your logic correctly:

The Kings go 10-0-0 against non-playoff teams and 0-4-0 against contenders. You would still value the larger sample size?

 

[johnjm22]

Amadio and McNabb are not good players , they're average at best.

Amadio? Yes I agree. Average. But McNabb? He's pretty good.

 

[johnjm22]

So just to make sure I follow your logic correctly:

The Kings go 10-0-0 against non-playoff teams and 0-4-0 against contenders. You would still value the larger sample size?

The larger sample size would be how they played in the previous 66 games.

The Kings did go 0-4-0 against the Avs, Oilers and Knights recently, but they also beat those teams this year.

Kings record verse those teams this season:

2-2-0 vs. Vegas
2-2-0 vs. Edmonton
1-1-0 vs. Colorado

Looks pretty even to me.

 

[The Butcher]

This past week or so shouldn't really change anyone's opinion on this King's team.

When healthy and getting quality goaltending they're one of the best teams in the league.

The concern is obviously health, and even if healthy, they might have to play the best team in the league in round 1, which would probably end their season more quickly than they deserve.

Actually no. Look outside, the sky isn't there anymore and the Kings season is over.

 

[kingsfan28]

So just to make sure I follow your logic correctly:

The Kings go 10-0-0 against non-playoff teams and 0-4-0 against contenders. You would still value the larger sample size?

When the Kings beat those same teams earlier this season, they were healthy and not missing 3 key pieces. They were going for the season sweep vs the Avs last night and deserved better. Two of our key injuries happened against both the Avs [ Fiala's knee] and the Oilers [Andersens head] . So you don't think that played into the 0-4-0 record at all against those same teams?

 

[bland]

The larger sample size would be how they played in the previous 66 games.

The Kings did go 0-4-0 against the Avs, Oilers and Knights recently, but they also beat those teams this year.

Kings record verse those teams this season:

2-2-0 vs. Vegas
2-2-0 vs. Edmonton
1-1-0 vs. Colorado

Looks pretty even to me.

Averages don't matter. Trends matter. The Knights/Oilers/Avs won't be playing the Kings of October, January or March, those games have no predictive value.

The whole sports world gets hung up on statistical averages - its a fallacy to think that teams play to an average mean. Averages simply mean that the collected data is divided by the number of opportunities, yet folks keep thinking that it means that it is the most likely outcome. Its not, couldn't be mathematically further from the truth. Stats aren't predictors, just accumulated information.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Correct me if I'm wrong but if we continue to lose and Colorado/Seattle keep winning, we'd play Colorado in round 1?

 

[SettlementRichie10]

The larger sample size would be how they played in the previous 66 games.

The Kings did go 0-4-0 against the Avs, Oilers and Knights recently, but they also beat those teams this year.

Kings record verse those teams this season:

2-2-0 vs. Vegas
2-2-0 vs. Edmonton
1-1-0 vs. Colorado

Looks pretty even to me.

Don’t you think how the team is playing two weeks before the playoffs is more relevant to how they were playing in January?

I agree that things aren’t as dire as they seem as long as we’re healthy. But you can’t completely discount these recent losses. These were very close to playoff games as they had a direct impact on playoff seeding. Again, surely we need to value these wins and losses in “important” games more than we do wins and losses earlier in the year.

 

[Surf Nutz]

I love it! Drew already sounded praise for Tobi (even though Drew does this for our other defensemen).

It would keep Gavirkov and Roy together - who have been a shutdown beast of a second pair.

Third line would hopefully be more protected and taking offensive zone starts. I would rather have Spence over Durzi but would bet the farm Toddy bear disagrees.

Drew knows youngsters need positive reinforcement.
Its not easy to stand up to all the negative monday morning quarterbacks who couldnt shine a beer leaguers skates
I like Gavroy.
After tonight I play russian roulette, inserting Durzi over Spence.
We saw the pressure put on young players by top teams when games are being played with season ending implications.
Spence choked repeatedly.

It just wouldnt be a todd maclellan post game presser without him throwing players under the bus in the media.
What an a**hole

Wake up call needed before the playoffs.
I would never condone it unless the motors were failing and the ship was being driven towards the rocks by stormy seas.
Your name sounds familiar?
You were a player?

 

[Surf Nutz]

You can add Kempe to that list. This board was trashing him for years.

Even Nic Dowd comes to mind. He turned into a great bottom line center.

You can feel people around here are ready to go after Byfield now.

I think its a reasonable to state, as I have that maybe BYf should be bumped down.
He did open up space for Ke n Ko but now he has been heavily scouted.
Teams know his weakness and that he is often not a threat to score and gives up the puck.
It seems to be hurting Ke n Ko and the line now
To criticize his character and expect to much and drag the entire team scouting , drafting and development into it is a typical of the over reactionary posters here.
The criticize every young player that is not brought up and blame the coaches when those called up play poorly.
Byf is 20 y o that was acknowledged as project from the start.
Monday morning about Stutzle at this point adds little.
Obviously at this point is a better pick but the Kings are looking to make their players into Ke n Ko's , studs that do it on both sides of the puck and put you in contention and have the potential to win the cup.
The kings do it differently and in my opinion, correctly.

This past week or so shouldn't really change anyone's opinion on this King's team.

When healthy and getting quality goaltending they're one of the best teams in the league.

The concern is obviously health, and even if healthy, they might have to play the best team in the league in round 1, which would probably end their season more quickly than they deserve.

 

[johnjm22]

Don’t you think how the team is playing two weeks before the playoffs is more relevant to how they were playing in January?

I agree that things aren’t as dire as they seem as long as we’re healthy. But you can’t completely discount these recent losses. These were very close to playoff games as they had a direct impact on playoff seeding. Again, surely we need to value these wins and losses in “important” games more than we do wins and losses earlier in the year.

Averages don't matter. Trends matter. The Knights/Oilers/Avs won't be playing the Kings of October, January or March, those games have no predictive value.

The whole sports world gets hung up on statistical averages - its a fallacy to think that teams play to an average mean. Averages simply mean that the collected data is divided by the number of opportunities, yet folks keep thinking that it means that it is the most likely outcome. Its not, couldn't be mathematically further from the truth. Stats aren't predictors, just accumulated information.

I agree trends and recency matter when you're trying to predict the outcome of upcoming games.

So obviously you don't what to be playing your worst right before playoffs.

BUT. Ups and downs are inevitable over the course of a season, it's natural. So you can't overweight recency when trying to evaluate a team. You have to look at the larger sample size because you don't know when the recent trend will inevitably change.

The other problem is that you can be the better team, and still lose the game. Which is why small sample sizes are problematic.

The Kings are what they are, and the last few weeks haven't changed that. If they play Edmonton in round 1 they probably lose. Any one else in the conference I think it's closer to a 50/50 outcome.

 

[Surf Nutz]

I agree trends and recency matter when you're trying to predict the outcome of upcoming games.

So obviously you don't what to be playing your worst right before playoffs.

BUT. Ups and downs are inevitable over the course of a season, it's natural. So you can't overweight recency when trying to evaluate a team. You have to look at the larger sample size because you don't know when the recent trend will inevitably change.

The other problem is that you can be the better team, and still lose the game. Which is why small sample sizes are problematic.

The Kings are what they are, and the last few weeks haven't changed that. If they play Edmonton in round 1 they probably lose. Any one else in the conference I think it's closer to a 50/50 outcome.

In the second half of the season the significant losing streaks , including the recent one correlate exactly with injury(ies) to key player(s).
Nice reply.
Colorado could get Landescoc and Macker back, which would make them a lot more scary.
The Kings played Edmo tight and they are on a roll and that is a good sign.
The collapse against Vaygas was a concern.
Also disappointed by the recent play of Korpi and a bit by Copper yday.

 

[All The Kings Men]

So your in the scrum most nights asking question like Zach and Carryln?

I missed one game this season.

EDIT: I missed one home game. I don't travel with the team except to Anaheim.

EDIT EDIT: I'm also one of the few people at every practice and morning skate.

EDIT EDIT EDIT: Both of those facts contribute to my confidence when I talk about things I observe.

I would never share anything that I learn as an employee on this board but there are a number of things that I observe about the team because I simply pay more attention to the team and it's press releases and public comments. I pay more attention BECAUSE I'm a team employee and don't have distractions or any other job taking attention away.

So when I speak with some air of confidence it's 99.999999% because I know I heard something or read something that is publicly available that other people may have missed. NOT because I think my status as a team employee makes me an unimpeachable authority on all things LA Kings.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Amadio and McNabb are not good players , they're average at best . We saw them for years and now they're playing a very specific role on a good team, never really asked to do anything else. The only thing I miss is McNabbs toughness around the net, he's defense in no better than it was before. Also, they're both very cheap contracts on a cap strapped team.

McNabb is 2.85 million.....not sure if you want to classify that as cheap....