GDT: 2022-23 season game 27 LA Kings vs Carolina Hurricanes @7:30pm 12/3/22

[Sol]

You want the Kings to lose?!

Nobody is shocked…

Lol nice reading comprehension

 

[King'sPawn]

It may be better if he played fewer minutes, but the comment I quoted said the team would be better if he wasn't on the team. I have argued for a long time that Dewey and Kopi have worn too many minutes, but the hate is misguided.

That's why I said I understand the exaggeration to make a point.

@johnjm22 can correct me if I'm wrong, but he's not "hating" Doughty. Just that McLellan is doing the team a disservice by overplaying him. If Doughty wasn't on the team, he couldn't be overplayed.

 

[Sol]

It may be better if he played fewer minutes, but the comment I quoted said the team would be better if he wasn't on the team. I have argued for a long time that Dewey and Kopi have worn too many minutes, but the hate is misguided.

The only anger those players get is doughty on the PP, Kopitar on the PP, and their ice time. I have a hard time believing people seriously have an axe to grind against them to the point they’d want them gone. I’ve said that I’d be happy with them gone for the sole reason that Tmac wouldn’t just strap them with all the icetime. They’re very misused and that upsets a lot of people but no one hates them.

 

[Statto]

What addition by subtraction are you talking about last season? Dewey had the best CF% on the team last year and had the most points on the team among defensemen despite playing only 39 games. I seriously wish that Kopi, Doughty and Quick were traded just so everybody would stop imagining storylines of them actively sabotaging the team. It kind of sucks.

You’re taking it too literally. It was addition because Todd had to spread the ice time and it forced players to step up. They became more than the sum of their parts. They of course would have been better with Drew but only if he played sensible minutes and didn’t get inserted back in playing 26-28 minutes.

It’s the same with Kopi, if he wasn’t there the minutes would be spread more evenly although I expect Danaults would go up significantly.

Deployment is fast becoming the major issue here. The fact Durzi is getting another look on the middle pair is insane. Björnfot immediately balanced the lineup and yet it’s being messed about with, unless he’s hurt I don’t get it. Durzi us a #6 pp specialist at best. Whilst I’d put both Spence and Clarke in instead of him, it also sets him up to fail.

I like Todd and I want to see him succeed but he has the blinkers on and people around him are clearly blowing smoke up his rear end. It’s the same with the pp. The 2nd unit moves it around far better but gets minimal opportunity. I don’t know if Todd is being stubborn or if Kopitar has too much pull and insists on 75% pp time… half the time Kopitar and Doughty look like they are playing their own system at a slower pace and are being allowed to. I expected it to take some time for them to adjust to Hiller but whilst that’s happening, they still get the pp time. I know Fox talks about the pp being a big improvement and it is, but only because of how prolific the second unit and Vilardi have been. The second unit plays like they have 100% buy in, the top one does not.

Forget systems (its about who imposes their game over the other team first), if they get deployment right this is a play-off team, even with Durzi at #6. If the get Clarke and/or Spence instead of Durzi and with Byfield back they could make some noise in the post season. No we are not contenders yet and the goaltending may kill us BUT they could build a seriously good platform with the development of the younger guys, IF they get deployment right.

 

[lumbergh]

Fagemo is the best Italian player the Kings have ever had

Iafalloo is the best Swedish player the Kings have ever had.

 

[psych3man]

Why do these guys stop skating and just follow their man behind them?

no accountability

Deployment is fast becoming the major issue here.

Love ya Statto, but you are WAY late on this train...

 

[kingsfan28]

Kings math: 9+11+8=0

That's your losing starting line up in OT . Remember when our OT's were just lethal ? I used to wonder how long it would take to win it, now it's how long it's gonna take before they lose it.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

That's your losing starting line up in OT . Remember when our OT's were just lethal ? I used to wonder how long it would take to win it, now it's how long it's gonna take before they lose it.

Doughty and Kopitar literally running into each other will be an enduring visual of this era of Kings hockey.

Legends, but holding on to roles too long.

 

[AbsentMojo]

That's your losing starting line up in OT . Remember when our OT's were just lethal ? I used to wonder how long it would take to win it, now it's how long it's gonna take before they lose it.

Actually i dont remember... but whats good news is that there is an end to the leash in some cases - e.g. go see Cal down in Ontario. Just think the leash for 8,11 might be infinite. Kempe i think is on thin ice.

Doughty and Kopitar literally running into each other will be an enduring visual of this era of Kings hockey.

Legends, but holding on to roles too long.

Yeah to the point that they hear whispers walking down the hallway...its not their fault, but Koala does not want to be a pariah in Manhattan Beach.. its understandable.

 

[kingsfan28]

Doughty and Kopitar literally running into each other will be an enduring visual of this era of Kings hockey.

Legends, but holding on to roles too long.

no kidding! I mean there are 3 guys on the ice and two skate right into eachother. Fiala and VA did the same thing the OT before . Its just comically sad.

 

[Statto]

no accountability


Love ya Statto, but you are WAY late on this train...

Yeah, poor phrasing

 

[johnjm22]

What is the argument that the Kings would be better without Doughty in the lineup? Would it be having the best CF Rel among Kings blueliners? or would it be having the best GF Rel among Kings defensemen? or would it be having the most points from the backend?

I swear this board has become almost unbearable with the amount of hate that Kopitar, Doughty and Quick get and almost none of it has any f***ing merit. It has honestly become tiresome to come here when the only thing you read is people shitting on them.

Perhaps I was being a bit strident after a frustrating loss. Fans tend to do that.

It's already been said, but I think most of the criticism of Kopitar/Doughty is their utilization. Doughty's play has dropped off to a point where playing him 28 minutes is absolutely ridiculous.

Doughty has more total TOI than any other player in the NHL this year.

I think if you play these guys less, you get a better player.

I've often found myself defending Quick and Kopitar's play this year.