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GDT: 2022-23 Season Finale game 82 LA Kings vs Anaheim Ducks @7:00pm 4/13/23

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Herby said:
Again,

Players throughout the league are injured on questionable hits from October through the end of the season, yet no other teams are going out and intentionally trying to injure players, why should the Kings? What makes the Kings different? When Kings players in the past injured someone with a hit should others have been retaliated against? Should the Sharks have taken out Doughty in Game 5 of the 2014 series in response to the hits on Hertl (by Brown) and Vlasic (by Stoll). Just a few weeks ago Lizotte cross checked one of the best d-man in the league this season, next time we play the Jets should our best players expect to be cross checked in the mouth after the whistle?

If McDavid wanted to injure Anderson badly he wouldn't have slowed down, and it makes no sense for the Oilers to use McDavid as the one to do it. If the Oilers wanted to knock out Mikey Anderson why are they using McDavid? It was a 2 (maybe 5) minute board, and you are acting like it was Draper/Lemieux.

Yeah "most of us see it", then maybe someone else who claims to see it can answer any of the points I had, why are no other teams going Bobby Clarke/Valeri Kharlamov on other teams best players. It's just like the referees stuff, people complain the refs are biased against the Kings, but refs make crappy calls in all the games.

You should listen to the Gretzky interview on Spittin Chiclets when he says why NHL players don't target each other for injury.
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Im not going to engage the terrible hypotheticals and stay strictly to the facts.

In the last MONTH, anyone with eyes can see how much the Kings have been getting ran. Why do you think that is? Actually engage the question rather than talk in some amorphous analogies that have nothing to do with what most people are seeing.

One video of Gretzky is going to debunk the entire league? You know how pathetic that argument is. The same Gretzky who was surrounded by enforcers so they can annihilate other players who had a thought of hurting him.

Spare me the disanalogous hypotheticals and lets just stick to what has been happening in the last month. Because there has been damn too many times where Kings have been taken out intentionally.

You CAN just say that you're not about the eye for the eye mentality. I can respect that. But don't use your beliefs to misconstrue the actual facts.

and I CAN want a Kings team that says "f*** those guys, they are going to try us, we will try them"
 
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Sol said:
Im not going to engage the terrible hypotheticals and stay strictly to the facts.

In the last MONTH, anyone with eyes can see how much the Kings have been getting ran. Why do you think that is? Actually engage the question rather than talk in some amorphous analogies that have nothing to do with what most people are seeing.

One video of Gretzky is going to debunk the entire league? You know how pathetic that argument is. The same Gretzky who was surrounded by enforcers so they can annihilate other players who had a thought of hurting him.

Spare me the disanalogous hypotheticals and lets just stick to what has been happening in the last month. Because there has been damn too many times where Kings have been taken out intentionally.

You CAN just say that you're not about the eye for the eye mentality. I can respect that. But don't use your beliefs to misconstrue the actual facts.

and I CAN want a Kings team that says "f*** those guys, they are going to try us, we will try them"
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What facts are you bringing up?

When have teams done what you and the other guy are proposing? I am saying that the days of teams intentionally going out and injuring players is over. You are saying that is factually untrue, I'd just like to see instances where this happened. Where people have done what you have said.

As for your last part, again the Lizotte thing, by your own logic would you be fine if Winnipeg intentionally tried to injure Doughty with an eye for an eye thing because Morrissey is one of their top players, or should Winnipeg just do what most teams do and accept that sometimes players are injured by questionable hits that happen in the heat of the moment but that no players or coaches are entering games with the intention of injuring players?

Are you saying that every questionable hit in the NHL should result in teams retaliating with the intent to injure? And you have the nerve to tell me to bring up facts.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Anything is better than MacEwen. He obv doesn’t want the role.

Lemeiux was probably the nastiest Kings player since Sean Avery. We need that. Someone who will retaliate. Not a gentle giant.
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Would you still follow the NHL if fighting is banned?

I don't really think it should be, but I am guessing that within the next 20 years fighting is a thing of the past in the NHL.
 
Herby said:
What facts are you bringing up?

When have teams done what you and the other guy are proposing? I am saying that the days of teams intentionally going out and injuring players is over. You are saying that is factually untrue, I'd just like to see instances where this happened. Where people have done what you have said.

As for your last part, again the Lizotte thing, by your own logic would you be fine if Winnipeg intentionally tried to injure Doughty with an eye for an eye thing because Morrissey is one of their top players, or should Winnipeg just do what most teams do and accept that sometimes players are injured by questionable hits that happen in the heat of the moment but that no players or coaches are entering games with the intention of injuring players?

Are you saying that every questionable hit in the NHL should result in teams retaliating with the intent to injure? And you have the nerve to tell me to bring up facts.
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Maybe watch the recent games and you will see the players getting knee'd, headshots, and boards.

Which part was the heat of the moment, when they boarded Anderson in the opening shift or the random knee on Fiala?

I don't know how to make myself more clear. I am saying play fire with fire. if they're taking out your players then there is no real reason for you to stop. I think you confuse honor for cowardice because thats exactly what you're arguing for.

All these players go down in a MONTH. And you are going to, dare I say, be deliberately obtuse.

If someone is taking out your players then you take justice by any means necessary. ESPECIALLY when theres a pattern. If you cant understand that logic its because you refuse to see it.

I guarantee you that if someone punches someone you care for you're not going to say "lol it was heat of the moment maybe, no big deal"
 
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Sol said:
I guarantee you that if someone punches someone you care for you're not going to say "lol it was heat of the moment maybe, no big deal"
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If you take a piece of wood and smack someone in the legs or arms with it off the ice it's a crime, in hockey it's a 2 minute penalty. Doing real life to sports comparisons are always idiotic
 
Minnesota is so tough, did they haul Logan Stanley out on a stretcher after he jumped on Kaprizov’s back and hurt him?
 
ScoreZeGoals said:
If you take a piece of wood and smack someone in the legs or arms with it off the ice it's a crime, in hockey it's a 2 minute penalty. Doing real life to sports comparisons are always idiotic
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Then why don’t you engage with the initial argument rather than engage with the throw away comment? Is that asking too much? Lol

If I smack you with something in both instances just because it’s hockey it’s not intentional or something? Wtf lol
 
Still waiting for examples of other teams doing what some here are suggesting that the Kings should do, which is inflict serious injury and take-out the other teams best players with premeditated acts.

Here is a list of suspensions this season, how many of these players or players on their teams were intentionally targeted in subsequent games?

2022–23 NHL suspensions and fines - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
Herby said:
Still waiting for examples of other teams doing what some here are suggesting that the Kings should do, which is inflict serious injury and take-out the other teams best players with premeditated acts.

Here is a list of suspensions this season, how many of these players or players on their teams were intentionally targeted in subsequent games?

2022–23 NHL suspensions and fines - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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Ah yes, so Fiala and McDavid didn't make the list, must mean they were just good ol' boys just playing around. Excellent logic.

How about this, tell me, if my belief that this is intentional, which I think it is due to substantiative amount of injuries within the month, what's wrong with fighting fire with fire?
 
Sol said:
Ah yes, so Fiala and McDavid didn't make the list, must mean they were just good ol' boys just playing around. Excellent logic.
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That was just a reference point. You can cite any example you want. Still waiting for examples of premeditated incidents that have happened with other teams.

Although looking at that list, it is pretty funny that hits against Johnny Utah's beloved Winnipeg Jets have resulted in 5 different suspensions or fines, I thought tough teams don't get cheapshotted?
 
Herby said:
That was just a reference point. You can cite any example you want. Still waiting for examples of premeditated incidents that have happened with other teams.

Although looking at that list, it is pretty funny that hits against Johnny Utah's beloved Winnipeg Jets have resulted in 5 different suspensions or fines, I thought tough teams don't get cheapshotted?
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I don't care about other teams. I care about the injuries sustained by the Kings within the month that has all come from cheapshots which you have seemed to brush off since you can't actually argue with that point.

Since your real issue with me is my course of action for the cheapshots the Kings have been getting, I'll ask you again, try to not ignore it this time.

How about this, tell me, if my belief that this is intentional, which I think it is due to substantiative amount of injuries within the month, what's wrong with fighting fire with fire?
 
Since when did players hit other players without the intention of harm? That's the whole point of hitting, to make the other player feel it.
 
Your belief is wrong, Guys are not going out and trying to injure players, they don't do it because they don't want to subject their teammates to retaliation. The NHL players have more respect for other players than fans on these boards do.

If TMac were fired tomorrow and you and Johnny Utah were hired as the coaches and you guys called up Tyrell Goulbourne and told him to intentionally injure McDavid in Game 1 the response would be the Oilers would start targeting the Kings key players with the same type of hits. And nobody wants to see that.

kingsholygrail said:
Since when did players hit other players without the intention of harm? That's the whole point of hitting, to make the other player feel it.
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Nobody is saying not to hit anyone legally and make them feel pain with legal checks. That is a far cry from some of the things suggested on this board.
 
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