Speculation: 2022-23 Roster Thread

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As much as McTavish has this potential I just don’t see him being in a Top 6 role right away unless he earns it up there. Verbeek has brought in two forwards who can play in the Top 6, one a Center, and one a sniper for Z, and he also wants to add another Top 6 forward. I see the lines being something like…

Henrique - Strome - Terry
Vatrano - Zegras - Top 6 addition
McTavish - Lundy - Silf
Jones - Carrick - Comtois
Grant

Comtois Also has to earn a place in the Top 9 as well, and it will start with a great camp and pre-season.

Mac still needs to learn to play on the NHL and sheltered with two defensive minded guys is a good way to help him develop a solid two way game, and maybe Lundy and Mac can develop some nice chemistry and produce. Lundy still has offensive potential and maybe Mac helps him achieve it. Silf is the defensive responsible vet.

I know some people will be upset with Mac on that line but Lundy is not a scrub , Silf may be washed up offensively but he will be good support for a developing Mac. Could also see Mac and Lundy sharing the FO circle so he gets reps in at C.

I agree with your lines and logic. It makes the most sense.. IMO, if Verbeek is planning on adding another top 6 forward, it seems like the writing would be on the wall for Comtois .

My guess is that he will get traded. I wonder if a deal around swapping Comtois+ for Kakko would be appealing. Both could thrive with a change of scenery and the plus shouldn't be much.
 
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I agree with your lines and logic. It makes the most sense.. IMO, if Verbeek is planning on adding another top 6 forward, it seems like the writing would be on the wall for Comtois .

My guess is that he will get traded. I wonder if a deal around swapping Comtois+ for Kakko would be appealing. Both could thrive with a change of scenery and the plus shouldn't be much.

Yeah if Verbeek is looking to add another forward and they just missed out on Nino, it makes me think he doesn’t see Comtois set into the Top 6. But could be wrong.
 

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:facepalm:

It's ok for people to have varying opinions on how the team should handle a prospect's development. Absolutely no one is saying that he shouldn't start at Center due to a lack of talent.

* He's not a talented enough center to be in the top-6. Might as well keep him on the wings.​
* McTavish isn't Zegras.​

I didn't write those opinions. I can counter opinions.

As for development, I haven't anything from you guys how McTavish is to "prove he's a top-6 center". None. You're all damned quiet on the issue if it's settled that Strome is a center this year. Lay it out. All I get from everyone is whining about me asking, "When does McTavish develop at center next season?".

You answer it, @MMC . Don't skirt around the subject b/c you have no answer.
 

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* He's not a talented enough center to be in the top-6. Might as well keep him on the wings.​
* McTavish isn't Zegras.​

I didn't write those opinions. I can counter opinions.

As for development, I haven't anything from you guys how McTavish is to "prove he's a top-6 center". None. You're all damned quiet on the issue if it's settled that Strome is a center this year. Lay it out. All I get from everyone is whining about me asking, "When does McTavish develop at center next season?".

You answer it, @MMC . Don't skirt around the subject b/c you have no answer.
We are talking about lineups we will start the season with, everyone agrees that eventually, McTavish will get a shot at being a top 6 center, the only thing you’re debating is whether he should be penciled in there or if he should be given an opportunity to prove he’s NHL ready at all first
 
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Zegras also wasn’t penciled in as a top 6 C until his D+3 year after displaying more dominance over lower tier leagues and international tournaments. Bit unfair though as McTavish did have the WJC taken from him. Regardless by the time Z was penciled in he had already accomplished

Being an offensive dynamo with sub par linemates in the NCAA

Had debatably best performance by an American at the WJC EVER, and tied for the all time scoring lead in the tourney by an American, in 7 less games, while being put in a bottom 6 role for his first tourney.

Dominated the AHL, well over a point per game

And step into the NHL playing 24 games and becoming the teams best and most consistent producer at the end of it.

It’s important not to forget just how much Zegras dominated, making himself a key piece of the offense of every team he played for. McTavish has done well but does not have the resume Zegras did by the time he was “penciled” in as a top 6 C. So far McTavish has

Was 7th in ppg in the OHL this year

Been a key contributor on an OHL champion, 2nd in play off scoring, 10 points behind Logan Morrison

Looked very good in his short WJC

Looked solid at the AHL level

Got a couple goals in the NHL in his short stint

And played a role for a Canada at the Olympics

All very good and promising, especially considering it was all just his D+1 year but it is not nearly as dominating as Zegras resume by the time he was “penciled” in as a top 6 C. Zegras also had less competition, as he only had to worry about Getz and Rico. McTavish is up against Zegras Strome Rico and even possibly Lundestrom after the season he had.
 

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How exactly is McTavish going to earn it if he doesn't have the avenue to earn it? He's not going back to the OHL because he dominated that league in his own way. The AHL isn't an option for him. If Strome is set at center, then are you willing to waste a year of center development for McTavish just so he can play center in the AHL next season to prove he can be a top-6 center in the AHL first?

We gifted Zegras a top-6 role last year after only 44 pro games two seasons ago (mix of AHL and NHL games). Zegras developed last year and is still in the process of developing. McTavish has been in 34 games against men already (NHL, AHL, Olympics, and NL-B). Why the double standard?

Are we trying to compete this year for the playoffs? It doesn't seem like it. We sent McTavish to Juniors b/c we wanted him to develop at center. So we're bringing him along now to stick him at wing when Getz retired? This is going to be a development/rebuild year.

We saw two years ago how Zegras struggled at wing in the NHL. When we put him back at center, Zegras was a different, better player.

I guess you don't trust McTavish's talent at center. Sillinger played center all year for the Blue Jackets. Beniers was placed at center after his college season ended and Lines.com is projecting him to be the Kracken's 1C. McTavish is probably saying to himself...

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He was sent to juniors to develop as a center. He can be put at wing to develop as an NHL player. It’s a huge step up from playing vs children to playing vs men at the AHL level, it’s a massive difference at the NHL level. Letting him concentrate on learning how to deal with that speed and physicality for a period of time, until he can prove he’s ready for the league, THEN adding in the complexity of playing center, isn’t going to break him, or make him forget how to play center.

There’s also the question of which actually established NHL center do you move to the wing so the completely unproven kid can play there.
 
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My nephew said comtios was in his roller tournament..


This are honest questions. Why do people care if he plays roller hockey? Is it viewed as a lack of commitment to ice hockey and off season training? Or is there something about roller that makes your ice hockey game worse?

I don't care how players spend their free time. But maybe I'm missing something.
 

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This are honest questions. Why do people care if he plays roller hockey? Is it viewed as a lack of commitment to ice hockey and off season training? Or is there something about roller that makes your ice hockey game worse?

I don't care how players spend their free time. But maybe I'm missing something.
If the way he spent his free time in the offseason led to him being out of shape, it's fair to question his habits. We don't know if roller hockey has anything to do with that, it's just that people see commonalities that previously led to a bad result. We'll see come September.
 

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I'd like to know how Roller Hockey makes you gain weight ?
Maybe it was the Poutine, Crepes and Chocolate Croissants ?
 

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Minty didn't even make the top 50....
 

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Those lists are subjective, no need to lose sleep over them. I enjoyed reading his thoughts about some players and thinking whether I agree or disagree with him. I respect that he is not really changing his mind because of where a player was picked in the draft

He had Seider in the 30-ies in 2019 final pre-draft list IIRC so take that in mind :nod:
 

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He was sent to juniors to develop as a center. He can be put at wing to develop as an NHL player. It’s a huge step up from playing vs children to playing vs men at the AHL level, it’s a massive difference at the NHL level. Letting him concentrate on learning how to deal with that speed and physicality for a period of time, until he can prove he’s ready for the league, THEN adding in the complexity of playing center, isn’t going to break him, or make him forget how to play center.

There’s also the question of which actually established NHL center do you move to the wing so the completely unproven kid can play there.
Wow the Ducks have a slew of young talent. I'd put MacT as second line center for the entire season and let him learn, win or lose.......
 

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He was sent to juniors to develop as a center. He can be put at wing to develop as an NHL player. It’s a huge step up from playing vs children to playing vs men at the AHL level, it’s a massive difference at the NHL level. Letting him concentrate on learning how to deal with that speed and physicality for a period of time, until he can prove he’s ready for the league, THEN adding in the complexity of playing center, isn’t going to break him, or make him forget how to play center.

There’s also the question of which actually established NHL center do you move to the wing so the completely unproven kid can play there.

Zegras had only 7 games at center at the NHL level in 2020-21. Was that small sample enough to say Zegras was proven to play center for the following season? With such a small sample, Zegras would be considered an unproven kid going into the 2021-22 season. The gamble paid off this past season. Aside from vision, Zegras still isn't an "established NHL center" b/c he has to develop a lot of other center responsibilities. About 80% of Zegras' zone starts were in the offensive zone last year. Is Zegras only an elite offensive pony?

McTavish is probably a more complete center than Zegras, but Zegras' elite vision allows him to score very easily. I'd prefer to continue Zegras' development at center and move Strome to wing. Strome can actually win puck battles as well as be able to score a lot more goals playing with Zegras. If Zegras does move to wing, I'd still want Strome at Zegras' hip. Strome is a heavy with scoring touch that Zegras was missing last year.

If we start with Strome at center, then I don't think McTavish gets to see playing center and staying there this season. There's a different mentality if we start with Strome at center vs McTavish. We would lose a year of center development. That was the reason why the org sent McTavish down last year.

1C: Strome (2-way play)​
2C: Zegras (will it be another 80% OZ start)​
3C: Lundy (2-way play)​

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==== Double Standard with Zegras ====

Zegras
2020-21 (44 games vs men)
NHL games at wing: 17​
NHL games at center: 7​
AHL games at wing: 8​
AHL games at center: 9 + 3 playoff games​

Anaheim was able to take the scenic route with Zegras b/c the AHL avenue was available. Zegras hasn't played against in a men's league before.

McTavish 2021-22 (34 games vs men)
NL-B games at center: 3-7​
NL-B games at wing: 6-10 + 4 playoff games​
NHL games at wing: 9​
AHL games at center: 3​
Olympic games at wing: 5​

@Hinterland shared that McTavish started off at center in the NL-B and then he got moved to wing with fellow NA players, iirc. McTavish thrived playing against men once he acclimated, albeit at wing.

McTavish got his introduction to playing against men when he turned 18 at the NL-B. He also got his introduction into the NHL and AHL last year. Got reintroduced to playing against men in the Olympics, where he struggled as a winger.

McTavish has had a whole season in the OHL to prepare to get ready to joining the NHL ranks again. The Olympics gave him a reminder in the middle of the OHL season of how much more he needs to prepare for the NHL. Unlike Zegras, McTavish can adapt to the physicality faster than Zegras. The speed isn't as steep to adapt. The problem with McTavish is his endurance/stamina in the NHL. He looked fatigued at times in the NHL. But McTavish's development was also interrupted by injuries twice, one during pre-season and one during the season.

The Ducks went into last season, a developmental season, with three young centers in 2C Zegras, 3C Lundy, and 4C Groulx. Groulx didn't last that long and was sent back down to the AHL. We find ourselves again in a developmental season. If we gambled on Zegras, then why not on McTavish? McTavish had a NHL-body last year and it's a year later now. I didn't see anyone opposed to Zegras starting out as our 2C last year at all.
 
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