Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)

[Avs_19]

Friedman says the Avs and Nate are talking and it’s going to be a big big number. It’s possible but not guaranteed that he becomes the highest paid player in the NHL.

Marek brings up JT Miller as a possible addition. Pure speculation by him and Friedman immediately says he doesn’t know. They could just roll with what they have and take a wait and see approach.

 

[Balthazar]

Friedman says the Avs and Nate are talking and it’s going to be a big big number. It’s possible but not guaranteed that he becomes the highest paid player in the NHL.

If Mack wants 13M+ he doesn't care about winning anymore. He's got his cup and now he wants his money.

Like the guys did in LA and Chicago.

I don't care if he was "underpaid" and "he deserves it", that's just a fact.

 

[The Abusement Park]

If Mack wants 13M+ he doesn't care about winning anymore. He's got his cup and now he wants his money.

Like the guys did in LA and Chicago.

I don't care if he was "underpaid" and "he deserves it", that's just a fact.

I mean Mack just achieved his #1 goal he’s set out to achieve in his career.

 

[Ararana]

I have no problem with Mack chasing a bag. Welcome to the real world gents, where people don't put their earning capability on the back burner so they can lift a shiny silver thing more than once.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I have no problem with Mack chasing a bag. Welcome to the real world gents, where people don't put their earning capability on the back burner so they can lift a shiny silver thing more than once.

Also for the last 2 years we’ve all been expecting a 6mil raise based of EJ’s contract expiring. And now that it’s a little more everyone’s losing their minds?

 

[lionsDen]

I have no problem with Mack chasing a bag. Welcome to the real world gents, where people don't put their earning capability on the back burner so they can lift a shiny silver thing more than once.

What’s up with fans of hockey and their trendy dumb sayings. Get the bag neeeer

 

[redacted]

How much of Newhooks drop in play the second half and playoffs can be attributed to the rookie wall? Or is/was there much more to it than that?

I'd like to say it was the rookie wall and he'll perform better next season. I didn't mind the up/down movement between the 2nd/3rd lines as he was trying to find his game and Bednar was trying to work the roster into proper form. What I didn't like was the complete disappearance leading to healthy scratches. I really hope his compete level intensifies and becomes sustainable.

The same goes for LOC. I mean he's the perfect 4th liner right now. But we've got him slotted in for the 3rd line due to depth issues at the moment. He's capable of that play, but hasn't shown the ability to keep his play elevated for prolonged times with the extra minutes. Is that something he can overcome this season?

Some questions around this team, but with the core we've got we should be able to weather pretty much any storm until Joe can make a trade or two as necessary, I suppose.

IMO it was his inability to play center after teams had played the Avs multiple times with tape. When he got moved to wing down the stretch, the offensive impact opened up.

If Mack wants 13M+ he doesn't care about winning anymore. He's got his cup and now he wants his money.

Like the guys did in LA and Chicago.

I don't care if he was "underpaid" and "he deserves it", that's just a fact.

It can be both…

 

[Richard88]

Also for the last 2 years we’ve all been expecting a 6mil raise based of EJ’s contract expiring. And now that it’s a little more everyone’s losing their minds?

From the sounds of it he's going to be making more than McDavid. $12.6m would make him the highest paid player, $100k more than McDavid, and would also be around MacKinnon's and EJ's combined contract (i.e. $300k over $6.3m + $6m), so that seems like a realistic number based on what the talking heads are saying.

That number wouldn't be ideal but also not impossible to deal with. JTC would be gone for sure, and it would probably be tough to keep both Newhook and Meyers. Toews or Girard will need to go too.

The key is getting 2C sorted one way or another at a reasonable cost, perhaps using Newhook or Girard/Toews as bait (Toews only if it's a move next off-season).

Come out of this next season with the top 6F and top 4D below and the team should still be in a good position going forwards.

Landeskog ------ MacKinnon ---- Nichushkin
Lehkonen -------------- 2C ------------ Rantanen
xxxxxxx ------ Meyers/Newhook - xxxxx
xxxxxxx -------------- xxxxxx ---------- O'Connor

Byram ------------ Makar
Toews/Girard - Manson
xxxxxxx ---------- xxxxxx

Georgiev
Francouz

Assuming that 2C gets sorted the team above would still have a good core and would hopefully still be good enough to attract some cheap vets like Helm, Cogliano, Murray, JJ, etc who want to chase a cup to fill out the depth.

 

[Ncit3]

What’s up with fans of hockey and their trendy dumb sayings. Get the bag neeeer

The worst is when someone says, "he's got the dawg in him". I get physically ill when I hear someone say that one.

 

[dahrougem2]

IMO it was his inability to play center after teams had played the Avs multiple times with tape. When he got moved to wing down the stretch, the offensive impact opened up.


It can be both…

Sure it can be both, but when you take a bigger chunk of the pie that means more responsibility falls upon you.

You can't have it both ways and expect an unreal roster while being paid as the highest in the league. The depth that was so pivotal to us winning a Cup won't be there anymore even if Nate asks for it.

 

[UnkleKraker]

There's also precedent with a streaky Colorado forward going to Seattle and seeing his production completely fall off a cliff in Donskoi.

And an inconsistent goalie. I do think Grubs improves this year though.

 

[redacted]

Sure it can be both, but when you take a bigger chunk of the pie that means more responsibility falls upon you.

You can't have it both ways and expect an unreal roster while being paid as the highest in the league. The depth that was so pivotal to us winning a Cup won't be there anymore even if Nate asks for it.

But to say he doesn’t want to win because he wants to be paid 13m isn’t correct. He can want 13m and want to win…

In the end, you have to pay star players value at one point or another… Avs have to find a way to build a team around bigger contracts and it will be tough. But that is why winning on Mack’s current contract was so important.

 

[Richard88]

From the sounds of it he's going to be making more than McDavid. $12.6m would make him the highest paid player, $100k more than McDavid, and would also be around MacKinnon's and EJ's combined contract (i.e. $300k over $6.3m + $6m), so that seems like a realistic number based on what the talking heads are saying.

That number wouldn't be ideal but also not impossible to deal with. JTC would be gone for sure, and it would probably be tough to keep both Newhook and Meyers. Toews or Girard will need to go too.

The key is getting 2C sorted one way or another at a reasonable cost, perhaps using Newhook or Girard/Toews as bait (Toews only if it's a move next off-season).

Come out of this next season with the top 6F and top 4D below and the team should still be in a good position going forwards.

Landeskog ------ MacKinnon ---- Nichushkin
Lehkonen -------------- 2C ------------ Rantanen
xxxxxxx ------ Meyers/Newhook - xxxxx
xxxxxxx -------------- xxxxxx ---------- O'Connor

Byram ------------ Makar
Toews/Girard - Manson
xxxxxxx ---------- xxxxxx

Georgiev
Francouz

Assuming that 2C gets sorted the team above would still have a good core and would hopefully still be good enough to attract some cheap vets like Helm, Cogliano, Murray, JJ, etc who want to chase a cup to fill out the depth.

Further to the post above I was just playing around with CapFriendly based on MacKinnon getting $12.6m.

I used a placeholder 2C earning $5m, acquired using a combination of Toews, Newhook, Olausson, and 2023 1st. That could be one trade or multiple trades at the TDL plus next off-season.

Byram ~$5m x3 bridge
Meyers ~$2m X 2 bridge
Then a few ~$1m depth pieces, either with ELC's or cheap UFA's/RFA's.

That leaves a 22 man roster fitting snugly under the cap (which I projected as $83.5m, another $1m increase).

The depth would take a serious hit, but it's possible that trading Newhook/Toews/etc would bring back some decent pieces to fill out the roster in addition to a 2C.

MacKinnon as highest paid player in the league - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Create your own team. Trade, sign, recall, reassign, and buyout players as though you were your favourite teams general manager.

www.capfriendly.com

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I think it’s the Mcdavid deal exactly. No more. No less. 8 years 100M. Friedman started the podcast with this news and he’s making it sound like it’s about to happen.

A typical Avs Friday evening announcement?

 

[Ararana]

What’s up with fans of hockey and their trendy dumb sayings. Get the bag neeeer

The one that gets me is the 'let's go!'. I don't mind it but the frequency in which it's used is so f***ing annoying.

Also for the last 2 years we’ve all been expecting a 6mil raise based of EJ’s contract expiring. And now that it’s a little more everyone’s losing their minds?

I've personally had EJ's cap hit penciled in to go to Mack for years now which puts him at 12-13 million. And I don't have a problem with it.

 

[The Abusement Park]

The one that gets me is the 'let's go!'. I don't mind it but the frequency in which it's used is so f***ing annoying.



I've personally had EJ's cap hit penciled in to go to Mack for years now which puts him at 12-13 million. And I don't have a problem with it.

I’ve been preparing for ~13. So anything under that is fine with me.

 

[Zandar]

12.9 million over 8 years seems likely.

 

[Raucherhusten]

I'm happy that most of you seem to be fine with being mediocre. Because that's what we'll become again as soon as Mac's 12+ million kick in. But hey, it was a fun ride "being good", wasn't it? 3 years is more than many other franchises get i assume ... and we won a cup. So everything is fine and dandy ...

 

[Balthazar]

From the sounds of it he's going to be making more than McDavid. $12.6m would make him the highest paid player, $100k more than McDavid, and would also be around MacKinnon's and EJ's combined contract (i.e. $300k over $6.3m + $6m), so that seems like a realistic number based on what the talking heads are saying.

That number wouldn't be ideal but also not impossible to deal with. JTC would be gone for sure, and it would probably be tough to keep both Newhook and Meyers. Toews or Girard will need to go too.

lol @ half the team making league minimum

Mack won't ask for 12.6M just to say he's the highest paid player in the league. That'd look bad and childish. I could see 12.5M or 13M.

 

[Iceberg]

It makes sense... MacKinnon is a competitive dude with a Stanley Cup already, now he wants to be the #1 paid player.

Can't blame him.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I'm happy that most of you seem to be fine with being mediocre. Because that's what we'll become again as soon as Mac's 12+ million kick in. But hey, it was a fun ride "being good", wasn't it? 3 years is more than many other franchises get i assume ... and we won a cup. So everything is fine and dandy ...

We just won a cup. The most dominant performance in like a decade. I mean we’d all like Nate to sign for like 10. But even if he did we’re still going to have the same issues as if he signed for 12/13.


And it’d be significantly worse without Mackinnon. So I’m not necessarily sure what you want?

 

[Iceberg]

I'm happy that most of you seem to be fine with being mediocre. Because that's what we'll become again as soon as Mac's 12+ million kick in. But hey, it was a fun ride "being good", wasn't it? 3 years is more than many other franchises get i assume ... and we won a cup. So everything is fine and dandy ...

We are even worse without MacKinnon.

 

[Raucherhusten]

We just won a cup. The most dominant performance in like a decade. I mean we’d all like Nate to sign for like 10. But even if he did we’re still going to have the same issues as if he signed for 12/13.

Maybe not the same, but similar, yes. Mate, i get it. Money makes the world go 'round.

Yepp, we did win that thing. Let's keep that memory tight. Because it's likely the only one for the next 15-20 years. But, hey, MOOOOONEEEEEEEY!

We are even worse without MacKinnon.

So, what you are saying is: we have no choice. Not the best position to negotiate.

 

[shadow1]

I am truly perplexed at the people upset that MacKinnon isn't going to take some kind of crazy discount.

He's paced for 111+ points three seasons in a row. He has 41 goals and 93 points in only 70 career playoff games, to go along with a Stanley Cup. He is likely on a track to become a first ballot HHOFer.

Lock him up.

 

[Pokecheque]

So many people making judgments on MacKinnon when every one of us would be doing the same thing in his position.

Go get paid, bro. It's management's job to figure out how to build around him, not his.