I get not being concerned, but how has management clearly identified as they want to fix it? I see little to no signs of that.
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I take it from the fact that CMac basically flat out said they were still trying to get Kadri to sign. Why stay with the player and follow what he might do if you weren’t interested in re-signing him?
Kadri would’ve clearly been the 2C had he re-signed. The Avs have limited cap space and assets. They’re not going to waste it on a player they don’t need.
They stuck around hoping to sign the only 2C left. That tells me they see it as a position that requires improvement.
It’s the only logical inference.
Unless the plan was to play Kadri on D…or in nets.
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He did? All I read about it was that they werent closing the door.
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Didn’t he essentially say that they wanted Kadri to explore but to come back to them to see if they could work something out?
The point still stands. They wouldn’t be following a player that they don’t need with their limited cap. The Avs basically can only go after the players who fill holes.
They’re not following Dmen or goalies.
And they still haven’t spent their cap space.
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What's got you so concerned? The fact that Newhook was still able to put up 33 points playing almost exclusively in the bottom-6 with the 8th most PP minutes amongst forwards in his first full NHL rookie season?
I think Jost has really done a number on some of you guys... Newhook is going to be fine and AT WORST he'll put up a bunch of points in that #2C role and will look great to another team that will have an established #2C to trade at the TDL.
Looks to me like the Avs are playing a game of chicken with the Vancouver Canucks - basically sayin' "Watcha gonna do Alvin?? Keep everybody? Good luck with that. You might actually lose both next summer if you don't get something done soon..."
Said every Avs fan prior to the Barrie trade. There's no warning signs of a move with this club.
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They didn't though?I mean Landy and Mikko did it and we ended up just fine
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When have you ever seen signs with the avs?.. we JUST lost our 2C and simply grabbing anyone with games played at C isn’t always the answer, patience is key to finding the best deal. This team Is more than capable of winning the west (reg season) with Newhook at 2C given who his wingers will be.
There were just aspects to his play in the latter half of the season that I didn't care for. He was continually losing battles for the puck, positionally all over the place, and really wasn't getting in a position to use that great shot of his. The effort was most certainly there, but he just wasn't making an impact at all. Probably a confidence thing IMO more than a development thing. That can be fixed.
To be fair, I'm concerned, but I'm not just declaring him a bust or anything. It's possible I'm spoiled a bit by Makar and Byram stepping onto NHL ice right away and making an impact.
As lukewarm as I was on Jost from the get-go, I waited a pretty long time before declaring him a lost cause. Definitely not THAT worried about Newhook at this point.
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I feel like people forget Newhook played 18 games total his last season before turning pro, bringing it to a grand total of 52 games played outside of the BCHL before turning pro. 13 goals and 33 points in 71 games is extremely impressive in my opinion. His positional play is such an easy fix.
Compher - Meyers - Oconnor
Cogs - helm - blidh/Sedlak
Compher - Meyers - Oconnor
Cogs - helm - blidh/Sedlak
Probably Lehkonen, right?
Landeskog - MacKinnon - Rantanen
Lehkonen - Newhook - Nichushkin
Compher - Meyers - O'Connor
Cogliano - Helm - Sedlak
Blidh
Given the make-up of the rest of the team, still easily top 3 in the west, but thank goodness there’s still 6-8 left months to fix that bottom 6 monstrosity.
All I ever really saw was that they wanted to be in the conversation with Kadri and that they may be around the $6m x 4 range. To me, that doesn't really sound all that serious about keeping him. More that they are willing if it fits an exact structure they can work with and they are willing to go to that point... while knowing that is very unlikely.
Beyond that, and before Kadri signed, we have MacFarland stating they were okay with internal options.
Avs typically don't have warning signs, but there are some... we all knew Lehk was a very strong possibility at the deadline. We knew the Avs really liked Kuemper and had talked about deals prior to him getting sent here.
As I responded just above here... we have seen signs before and recently. Absence of information does happen... but the absence of information is certainly not confirmation.
During CMac's introductory conference he mentioned addressing the 2C spot, be it internally or externally via FA or trade. They know they need to replace Kadri somehow. Whether they believe someone like Mikko or Nehook can fill that role remains to be seen. Hopefully they can get Nate signed soon so they have a better idea of what they're looking at long term and who they can afford to target.
4 of those players just won the Cup playing on that bottom six and were doing fine, other 2 (or 3 including Blidh) have yet to play a game, so its kind of premature to evaluate them, they might suck, then again they might be even better than expected....
All in all, bit to soon to call it monstrosity, no?
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Thé Avs were also heavily rumoured to Kane last season. You have to think with the way Chicago is set up for this season and Kane expiring, the Avs will obviously sly explore. Kane helps with not necessarily having an ideal 2C.
Between bonus overages, possible 2C/Kane or a different winger, possible depth moves, that’s a lot of cap flexibility needed.
Having the current space accrue makes all of these options feasible.
Between bonus overages, possible 2C/Kane or a different winger, possible depth moves, that’s a lot of cap flexibility needed.
Having the current space accrue makes all of these options feasible.
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Mentioning internally doesn’t really sounds like they are in a rush to fix it…
Whatever happens, I have a feeling it won't be something anyone sees coming.
Until Dater tweets about it 5 hours later saying he expected this to happen.
Until Dater tweets about it 5 hours later saying he expected this to happen.
Kane's gonna be the big fish rental for sure. I doubt the Avs will be winning that bidding war, but if they manage it you just run Mikko at 2C and don't look back. Those two would make magic together.
I mean of course he's going to mention the fact that they have options. The important thing to note is that it's on the front of their minds and luckily for us we have a smart front office. They know the team now has a hole in the top-6 better than anyone, but they're not gonna make a panic move to fix it.
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Yeah, I would say the Avs are definitely worse on paper entering next season.
Kadri and Burakovsky both gone. Meyers is a new addition and perhaps Newhook plays higher in the lineup. Those things may help, but it won’t off-set the loss of both those guys.
That being said, the Avs still look very good and Bowen Byram could be an X factor. If he takes another step forward, look out.
Regardless, if the Avs take a step back, or not they’ll be aggressive at the deadline again. I’d expect them to fill what holes they can at that time.
On another note, I don’t mind giving Meyers and Newhook a shot at centre to see how it goes for a while. Honestly, if someone can’t play well at centre with Rantanen and Lehkonen on their wings, then they ain’t a centre. At least it provides clarity.
Kadri and Burakovsky both gone. Meyers is a new addition and perhaps Newhook plays higher in the lineup. Those things may help, but it won’t off-set the loss of both those guys.
That being said, the Avs still look very good and Bowen Byram could be an X factor. If he takes another step forward, look out.
Regardless, if the Avs take a step back, or not they’ll be aggressive at the deadline again. I’d expect them to fill what holes they can at that time.
On another note, I don’t mind giving Meyers and Newhook a shot at centre to see how it goes for a while. Honestly, if someone can’t play well at centre with Rantanen and Lehkonen on their wings, then they ain’t a centre. At least it provides clarity.
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