Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)

[redacted]

So I've heard Kadri hasn't signed yet

And coming Thursday, Baking with Henchy.

 

[The Pwnerer]

Take advantage of the Isles cap situation and go get Nelson or Pageau for dirt cheap.


Nelson would be great here. Pageau is a 3C sort more then a 2C but he's also so strong defensively that I'd still take him.

Yup, if its true the Islanders are in on Kadri. We should jump on one of their centers for cheap like the Bjorkstrand trade.

 

[shadow1]

Should have closed out Dallas on home ice at McNichols in game 6 of the 99 WCF and beaten Buffalo for the Cup.

In the 2000 WCF they had to win game 6 on home ice to force game 7 and then hit the post trying to send game 7 to OT.

Should have closed out Detroit on home ice in game 6 of the 02 WCF and went on to win the Cup. When Forsberg scored in OT in Detroit in game 5 to send the Avs home up 3-2 in the series everyone in the sports world thought the Avs were repeating. Roy's statue of liberty gaffe and the uninspired play the rest of the game from the team was a gigantic wasted opportunity. You have to close teams out when you have the chance instead of breathing life back into them and to this day that's why I still freak out when things happen like game 5 against St. Louis this year and taking the foot of the gas against Edmonton in game 1 and blowing a huge lead.

In the 4 year span from 99-02 they should have won more than 1.

The '99 team was completely stacked, but Dallas shut them down.

Deadmarsh-Sakic-Fleury
Kamensky-Forsberg-Lemieux
Podein-Drury-Hejduk
Hunter-Yelle-Odgers
Donovan/Messier

Gusarov-Foote
Ozolinsh-Miller
de Vries-Lefebvre
Klemm

Roy
Billington

 

[letsgoavs1921]

The '99 team was completely stacked, but Dallas shut them down.

Deadmarsh-Sakic-Fleury
Kamensky-Forsberg-Lemieux
Podein-Drury-Hejduk
Hunter-Yelle-Odgers
Donovan/Messier

Gusarov-Foote
Ozolinsh-Miller
de Vries-Lefebvre
Klemm

Roy
Billington

No, we got Belfoured. Look at the shots over the course of the series

 

[Mighty Makar]

No, we got Belfoured. Look at the shots over the course of the series

 

[shadow1]

No, we got Belfoured. Look at the shots over the course of the series

Dallas outshot Colorado in every game except Game 3 and Game 4 (Game 4 the shots were tied).

 

[niwotsblessing]

Dallas outshot Colorado in every game except Game 3 and Game 4 (Game 4 the shots were tied).

Both of those WCF's against Dallas were physically brutal. When people call it the "clutch and grab" era they are underselling the violent reality of those games, to say nothing of the rulebook getting tossed out the window.

 

[Pokecheque]

Both of those WCF's against Dallas were physically brutal. When people call it the "clutch and grab" era they are underselling the violent reality of those games, to say nothing of the rulebook getting tossed out the window.

Goddamn Hatcher and Matvichuk. I cackled with glee when they were ushered out early in 2001.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Yup, if its true the Islanders are in on Kadri. We should jump on one of their centers for cheap like the Bjorkstrand trade.

Yeah the issue for us being we can't take back full salary either


We've only got $3.9M in space, $3M if they go with a 23 man roster.


The Isles have $11.8M in space right now but Romanov and Dobson are RFAs. I'd venture to guess they are waiting to see what they sign for before figuring out how much space they need to free up to sign Kadri.


If Dobson gets a $5M bridge and Romanov gets ~3M, they will need to free up probably 3-4M in order to sign Naz.

 

[redacted]

If Dobson gets a $5M bridge and Romanov gets ~3M, they will need to free up probably 3-4M in order to sign Naz.

Yup and they'll move Beau for pennies on the dollar to a weak team. Either way, I think whoever signs Naz makes a deal with Anaheim.

 

[AvsFan29]

The Byram contract is kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Byram will demand a big payday and he's well within his rights to do so. His side will point directly to the Dahlin bridge as the target. He'd probably fall under, but high 5s is about as low as it would go. The next deal from there is likely 9-11m. If you go long-term next year... you're kinda forced over 7 and nearing 8 in an offseason with cap issues already, but it saves quite a bit if 4 seasons.

$7m x 8

If Byram would take that, you do that contract every time.

 

[Richard88]

Yup, if its true the Islanders are in on Kadri. We should jump on one of their centers for cheap like the Bjorkstrand trade.

Lou would probably prefer to trade with a bad team if he's forced dump a good player for pennies instead of doing the cup winners a favour.

Edit: Pageau and Nelson have partial NTC's though which might limit NYI's ability to move them to bad teams. Hopefully that can play in the Avs favour.

 

[letsgoavs1921]

Dallas outshot Colorado in every game except Game 3 and Game 4 (Game 4 the shots were tied).

Maybe I'm thinking of the other one

 

[UncleRisto]

And coming Thursday, Baking with Henchy.

Oh dude, I can't buy one of the ingredients. Can I substitute something for it?

 

[AvalancheSpeedsters]

The '99 team was completely stacked, but Dallas shut them down.

Deadmarsh-Sakic-Fleury
Kamensky-Forsberg-Lemieux
Podein-Drury-Hejduk
Hunter-Yelle-Odgers
Donovan/Messier

Gusarov-Foote
Ozolinsh-Miller
de Vries-Lefebvre
Klemm

Roy
Billington

Fleury was always « sick » in that series it seems .

Some of those Avs were woof (Odgers, Hunter, Donovan messier .

 

[redacted]

Oh dude, I can't buy one of the ingredients. Can I substitute something for it?

The secret ingredient is semen... so I'm guessing a source can be found.

 

[UncleRisto]

The secret ingredient is semen... so I'm guessing a source can be found.

Oh. I think I have some of that in the fridge.

 

[redacted]

Oh. I think I have some of that in the fridge.

Make sure to give it a taste first, don't want it to be rancid and ruin the whole batch.

 

[Hasbro]

The other issue was terrible drafting in the early rounds.

Once the Avs entered their window in 1996, they missed badly on both of their 1st and 2nd round picks in 4 out of 5 years - in 96, 97, 99, 2000 (three missed 2nd rounders that year).

Yes, the Avs made a bad trade or three, but their awesome core aged a half a decade without the team restocking the cubbard.

Their late round drafting mitigated a lot and you can’t blame anyone for botching 1sts in ‘96 and ‘99.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I would have been alright with Naz coming back... But that contract is going to be a really bad one honestly so I'm also fine with not being the team to put pen to paper. We already gave out our bad contract this summer with Manson, certainly don't need another if we want this window extending beyond the next 1-2 years.



At this point I like the idea of signing Stastny for like $1.5M, going into the start of the season with him as the 2C and having over $1.5M in cap space to immediately start banking.


By the trade deadline they'll be able to add like $6M in salary again. Use our 1st round pick to grab JT Miller or whatever other high end 2Cs will be available at that point.

 

[Ararana]

I would have been alright with Naz coming back... But that contract is going to be a really bad one honestly so I'm also fine with not being the team to put pen to paper.

Pretty much this, pros and cons I can sell myself on in either direction. What's best short term vs what's best long term. But if he does walk that just means the Avs still have work to do this summer.

 

[jaisen73]

Barring a legit 2C then Option B is to ride with Compher at 2C but add some offensive depth. You can't replace the offense lost from Burakovsky and Kadri departing but you can mitigate it and also hope for some increased output from Newhook and others. I like Stastny for experience, nostalgia, and what I suspect would be a strong motivation by the player from knowing he is on a team with a good chance for a deep run. But I only like him for 1 year and cheap.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Pretty much this, pros and cons I can sell myself on in either direction. What's best short term vs what's best long term. But if he does walk that just means the Avs still have work to do this summer.

No doubt. What’s encouraging, from last season and this season, is that they seem to recognize the hole and are willing to address it.

If they didn’t think that 2C was a problem, CMac wouldn’t be following Kadri’s situation like he said he was.
So even if it’s not solved right away, the Avs can throw an additional 3C onto the problem to buy time for another opportunity to open up.

 

[Richard88]

Anyone tempted by Puljujarvi now that there's cost certainty at $3m x1?

 

[Bender]

I definitely think Sakic will try to lock Byram down for 7-8 years at a reasonable AAV

At this point a reasonable AAV for Byram long-term is $5.5M - 6M X 8. The Avs are banking on his continued evolution based on the end of his season + playoffs but his 19 points in 49 games in the regular season or 9 points in 20 games played in the playoffs shouldn't make a long-term contract more expensive than that. At some point, Byram would need to look at a guarantee of close to $50M and decide if he really wants MORE before he reaches the age of 30.

His agent might have other ideas though. Going the bridge route for 2 years would see him paid less for now but likely a lot more over time - that is of course, as long as he stays healthy.

$7m x 8

If Byram would take that, you do that contract every time.

That's too high for now but might not be after next season. The Avs are taking on a ton of risk and for that reason it should probably come down. There is a sweet spot there between what other top guys have shown at that age and signed for and what Byram was able to show at the end of the season and the playoffs. I believe it's $5.5 - $6M on a long-term deal. Remains to be seen if he'd sign that though.