Prospect Info: 2022-2023 Rangers Prospects Thread (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 06.04.2023)

[The Crypto Guy]

There were many here who went bananas when we made that trade for Eric Staal. Almost as if Saarela was the one who was going to be the next Sebastian Aho

To be fair, Saarela just had a nice little breakout season in the Finnish league where he more than tripled his goals, and more than doubled his points. So it was looking like a possible steal in the 3rd round. Didn't help either that Staal was literally probably one of the worst trade acquisitions we had since the lockout either.

Always thought most people thought the Keane trade was a good hockey trade and don't remember many people being up in arms about that one.

 

[nyr2k2]

What about Graves for Bigras? I mean they couldn’t someone with a little potential, not some ECHL level player. Graves would look good on the Rangers. Should have been given a chance. It is not like he was not worth giving a chance too. Rangers need to improve their NHL scouting. Hunt and Gauthier would be in the AHL in most organizations. Pro scouting is an issue here. Nemeth perfect example. They signed a player that did not fit our team at all.

I was only speaking to our trades with Carolina, not anything larger than that.

Graves for Bigras ended up a bad trade. I supported it at the time as Graves looked like he had regressed and had no future here. Obviously that's wasn't the case and he blossomed with a change of scenery. You win some you lose some. We turned Spooner into Strome. Ryan Haggerty became Antti Raanta. It happens.

 

[kovazub94]

What a REUNionANEN!

 

[Ola]

Funny you should mention Palme. I’ve read a series of books by the Swedish crime writer Leif G.W. Persson that are loosely arranged around his assassination. Stieg Larsson the author of the Girl with the dragon tattoo was known to have loads of material on that too that he kept in walk in storage lockers.

My friend Rick Harsch also put out two books last year The assassination of Olof Palme vol. 1 and 2 on his Corona Samizdat publishing imprint (Izola Slovenia) that touches a bit on it but is really more about the rat lines and stay behind armies set up by the OSS/CIA after WWII.

His early books are actually really good, up there with David Simon’s Homicide: A year on the killing streets on some kind of top list of mine. I’ve read all of his books, they are good but the later are a bit more loose around the edges.

The Palme killing is a gold mine for any hobby private investigator. There is so much information. By far the biggest investigation in the world if you look at the archives. GW and a few others think it’s a small police/military related conspiracy. The guy they pointed out when ending the investigation checks a ton of boxes. He was at the scene. He hated Palme. He totally lied about what happened, what he was wearing. Someone identical to him was described as acting odd before Palme went into the cinema, and then he stamped out of work in — almost — perfect time to shoot Palme. All these things looks really bad, but if a Palme hater spots Palme heading into a cinema across the road of his work, and then stamps out of work just in time to shoot him, and then clearly seeks out the investigators to provide lies that seemingly is intended to confuse them — where did he get a quiet powerful hand gun?

 

[eco's bones]

His early books are actually really good, up there with David Simon’s Homicide: A year on the killing streets on some kind of top list of mine. I’ve read all of his books, they are good but the later are a bit more loose around the edges.

The Palme killing is a gold mine for any hobby private investigator. There is so much information. By far the biggest investigation in the world if you look at the archives. GW and a few others think it’s a small police/military related conspiracy. The guy they pointed out when ending the investigation checks a ton of boxes. He was at the scene. He hated Palme. He totally lied about what happened, what he was wearing. Someone identical to him was described as acting odd before Palme went into the cinema, and then he stamped out of work in — almost — perfect time to shoot Palme. All these things looks really bad, but if a Palme hater spots Palme heading into a cinema across the road of his work, and then stamps out of work just in time to shoot him, and then clearly seeks out the investigators to provide lies that seemingly is intended to confuse them — where did he get a quiet powerful hand gun?

There are a lot of potential possibilities. Palme kept a kind of neutrality between the Russians on the one side and USA/UK on the other and there was no love lost between him and Reagan/Thatcher. Sweden's just getting into NATO now. Palme kept Sweden neutral and out of it. One thread has right wing Swedes in South Africa (during the apartheid times) involved in the Iran contra thing and there was a fear that Palme had knowledge and was going to blow it up. Supposedly in the Washington national archives (the same as 45 is having issues with now) is a missive from the Italian fascist Licio Gelli (who goes back to Mussolini and had links to both the CIA and the Vatican) commenting to a Reagan high functioning appointee a week before the assassination that the 'Swedish Palm was about to fall' leaving out the 'e'.

But I've heard a number of possibilities that are plausible. I don't think we'll ever know for sure.

 

[nyr2k2]

Looks like Adam Edström was loaned back to Rögle for this upcoming season. No AHL hockey for him.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Looks like Adam Edström was loaned back to Rögle for this upcoming season. No AHL hockey for him.

Correct. There was no official report of this, but he started on Rögle's top-line in pre-season. This assignment is in line with the transfer agreement that also prohibits Adam Sýkora from playing in the AHL.

 

[nyr2k2]

Correct. There was no official report of this, but he started on Rögle's top-line in pre-season. This assignment is in line with the transfer agreement that also prohibits Adam Sýkora from playing in the AHL.

Yeah. I didn't know he was still under contract to Rögle.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yeah. I didn't know he was still under contract to Rögle.

Here's a screenshot from his Eliteprospects page from a few months ago, before he signed his ELC. He was under contract until 2023 with Rögle BK.

 

[cwede]

Looks like Adam Edström was loaned back to Rögle for this upcoming season. No AHL hockey for him.

And so we may never see the Tri-Towers line with Rempe and Rueshchoff

 

[nyr2k2]

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Here's a screenshot from his Eliteprospects page from a few months ago, before he signed his ELC. He was under contract until 2023 with Rögle BK.

Yeah, EP can be a little dicey. They have to track so much and it isn't always well-sourced. Like I submitted Noah Laba from Colgate to CC a couple months ago, and all they did was update it to just show both schools listed for this upcoming season (I listed multiple sources including CC itself). Now they have CC, correctly, but in his transactions only list the transfer to Colgate. I also submitted Chmelar to Providence (I used your interview as one of a few sources) and they updated his profile but never listed the source. LOL. So, while EP is a tremendous resources, on some of the "lesser" guys it's hard to know for sure if what they have is actually correct. In the past they've had guys rostered for one team while they're literally playing for another team. They correct it quickly, but again, it's tough when your tracking so many players.

 

[cwede]

Yeah, EP can be a little dicey. They have to track so much and it isn't always well-sourced. Like I submitted Noah Laba from Colgate to CC a couple months ago, and all they did was update it to just show both schools listed for this upcoming season (I listed multiple sources including CC itself). Now they have CC, correctly, but in his transactions only list the transfer to Colgate. I also submitted Chmelar to Providence (I used your interview as one of a few sources) and they updated his profile but never listed the source. LOL. So, while EP is a tremendous resources, on some of the "lesser" guys it's hard to know for sure if what they have is actually correct. In the past they've had guys rostered for one team while they're literally playing for another team. They correct it quickly, but again, it's tough when your tracking so many players.

Yeah they've been great but maybe getting overwhelmed, or lowered standards (due to volume?) or changed personnel.

During last few weeks, i saw a CapFriendly tweet re a transaction or signing.
And went to EP to find a source link, what they'd the best at for last few years. But their linked source wasn't a regional insider. or team press release -it was that same Cap Friendly post.
Never used to be that way.

 

[nyr2k2]

According to the article in the tweet, Edström will come over and try to win a spot. If he doesn't, he'll have to go back.

 

[GAGLine]

According to the article in the tweet, Edström will come over and try to win a spot. If he doesn't, he'll have to go back.

At least we get a chance to see him a bit. I imagine they'll give him at least 1 game in the preseason.

 

[Fitzy]

As long as they give these guys a fair shot.

On the off chance that Rydahl, Cuylle, or Edstrom outplay Reaves or Carpenter in the preseason they should deserve to stick around.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

According to the article in the tweet, Edström will come over and try to win a spot. If he doesn't, he'll have to go back.

A like this. He's definitely a HUGE longshot but at least he can get a feel of the NHL level so he can see where he is in terms have how much better he needs to get.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yeah, EP can be a little dicey. They have to track so much and it isn't always well-sourced. Like I submitted Noah Laba from Colgate to CC a couple months ago, and all they did was update it to just show both schools listed for this upcoming season (I listed multiple sources including CC itself). Now they have CC, correctly, but in his transactions only list the transfer to Colgate. I also submitted Chmelar to Providence (I used your interview as one of a few sources) and they updated his profile but never listed the source. LOL. So, while EP is a tremendous resources, on some of the "lesser" guys it's hard to know for sure if what they have is actually correct. In the past they've had guys rostered for one team while they're literally playing for another team. They correct it quickly, but again, it's tough when your tracking so many players.

Yeah, that all sounds quite familiar. In this case, my issue is that once Edström signed his ELC with the Rangers, it overwrites whatever data there is about his contract in Sweden.

 

[Fitzy]

A like this. He's definitely a HUGE longshot but at least he can get a feel of the NHL level so he can see where he is in terms have how much better he needs to get.

The answer is almost always skating, but sometimes I imagine you’ve got to experience it firsthand to really get how NHL hockey is different

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Correct. There was no official report of this, but he started on Rögle's top-line in pre-season. This assignment is in line with the transfer agreement that also prohibits Adam Sýkora from playing in the AHL.

Sounds like he should get some great minutes, there.

 

[nyr2k2]

Sounds like he should get some great minutes, there.

Hopefully. It's up to him and how he performs. Last season he saw extensive time on basically every line from the first to the fourth. He has seen his TOI go up 2 minutes each season for the last three seasons, up to 13:30 last campaign. Hopefully he steps up and earns even more time, since the team clearly likes him and is willing to give him the opportunity.

 

[Ola]

Sounds like he should get some great minutes, there.

Yeah, but one thing I wonder about is, how much the organization really have thought it through is — is it worth to bring someone like Edström to camp?

He is a 21 y/o forward who plays for a great SHL team. Given his 6’8 stature he is going to need some time to grow into his body.

For Edström to take the next step in the SHL and become a legit top 3/6 forward for his team, that is a huge challenge. And by all accounts, he has positioned himself great for it.

But how is that affected by us bringing him to NA for a month mid-season? I’ve many times seen how these kids struggles a bit when they return and end up lower in the hiarchy than they seemed destined to be at the start of the season. It’s kind of like Chytil positioning himself to be a No 2 C in the NY, he comes in and seem to hold the position, it’s not great if he has to go to Czech Rep for military duty for 6 weeks or whatever in November.

We have in the past seen this organization make decisions based on “how it should be” in the eyes of someone that played goalie 52 years ago in the NHL and then never worked for a hockey team up until a few years ago when he was put in a board room. In practice, this was to little help when reality was different.

We own the right to play Edström in hockey games. What is best for his ability to play hockey, for his career, is best for us. A 6’8 forward that can take a top line spot in the SHL, that is huge for him. Could really propel his game further. From my POV it’s far from a given that he takes this step, and I am hyped that he has positioned himself to do so. I wouldn’t mess with that. What do we win by bringing him to camp for what 4-6 weeks?

 

[Ola]

From my POV, I think Edström is starting to stand out more and more as a prospect. I’ve never been a big fan of him, like it’s basically an issue of probability, there are really few guys like him in the NHL. Sure it’s rare with really big hockey players, but not that rare. Very few are able to even come close, that size holds you back in all areas but the physical battles and a hockey player is only involved in physical battles during a very limited time during a full game. Guys like Hedman are truly freak of nature. Guys like Gettinger that are perfectly OK well rounded players just don’t get many benefits from their size in the NHL, and other better players overall end up beating them out with ease.

But Edström is slowly but surely building a case for himself that can be intriguing in the NHL. He forechecks really well. Reads the play well and get in fast.

He is strong on the puck and much better of using his reach to protect the puck than someone like Gettinger. More like Hayes in that regard. That is one of those things that truly is an advantage in the NHL. Hayes can make it really hard to take the puck from him when he like put it on his backhand with one arm away from his body — like how far away from the skates is that? The full length of the arm + the stick, must be like 8 feets — while positioning himself between the puck and the D.

And Edström moves the puck well. He is smarter than someone like Gettinger there. Puck management is better.

Then someone like Gettinger is ahead of Edstrom in other areas. But I think Edstrom is becoming more and more intriguing.

 

[bhamill]

Yeah, but one thing I wonder about is, how much the organization really have thought it through is — is it worth to bring someone like Edström to camp?

He is a 21 y/o forward who plays for a great SHL team. Given his 6’8 stature he is going to need some time to grow into his body.

For Edström to take the next step in the SHL and become a legit top 3/6 forward for his team, that is a huge challenge. And by all accounts, he has positioned himself great for it.

But how is that affected by us bringing him to NA for a month mid-season? I’ve many times seen how these kids struggles a bit when they return and end up lower in the hiarchy than they seemed destined to be at the start of the season. It’s kind of like Chytil positioning himself to be a No 2 C in the NY, he comes in and seem to hold the position, it’s not great if he has to go to Czech Rep for military duty for 6 weeks or whatever in November.

We have in the past seen this organization make decisions based on “how it should be” in the eyes of someone that played goalie 52 years ago in the NHL and then never worked for a hockey team up until a few years ago when he was put in a board room. In practice, this was to little help when reality was different.

We own the right to play Edström in hockey games. What is best for his ability to play hockey, for his career, is best for us. A 6’8 forward that can take a top line spot in the SHL, that is huge for him. Could really propel his game further. From my POV it’s far from a given that he takes this step, and I am hyped that he has positioned himself to do so. I wouldn’t mess with that. What do we win by bringing him to camp for what 4-6 weeks?

While I see your point, there is a world of difference between doing military service for 4-6 weeks then coming back, and going to a place where you will get the BEST experience in training and competition/opposition in all of the hockey universe and then coming back... He'll be taking a step UP then returning to the SHL, not just a step AWAY... And as others have pointed out it will give him a first hand lesson in what he needs to work on to be successful here. I think it's absolutely the right move.

 

[Ola]

While I see your point, there is a world of difference between doing military service for 4-6 weeks then coming back, and going to a place where you will get the BEST experience in training and competition/opposition in all of the hockey universe and then coming back... He'll be taking a step UP then returning to the SHL, not just a step AWAY... And as others have pointed out it will give him a first hand lesson in what he needs to work on to be successful here. I think it's absolutely the right move.

Maybe, I am just going with what I’ve seen from other kids in these situations where I in hindsight have had reason to question these moves.

Sometimes these kids can be like “Fox” or “Shesty” of their home teams, but often they are someone that is not a key member of a team but looking to become one. Like more like Zac Jones than Fox.

With okids that haven’t really been close to a NHL spot, and they have come back and lost their spot in the lineup and looks a bit out of sync due to traveling and what not, I’ve several times had reason to ask myself ‘what the heck good did that do?’ Like it’s one thing if it’s a kid chomping at the bit who basically is “NHL ready” but that is immature and need to get the right focus or whatever. Someone who is in for a wake up call when showing up for their first camp.

But like with Edström, who is a major work in progress and who kind of is looking to take a big step from a 3rd/4th line role into becoming more of a go to player, I am just not sold on that someone has sat down and really considered the pros and cons of what a move like this actually does to him. That wouldn’t be unheard of with this organization either…

 

[bhamill]

Maybe, I am just going with what I’ve seen from other kids in these situations where I in hindsight have had reason to question these moves.

Sometimes these kids can be like “Fox” or “Shesty” of their home teams, but often they are someone that is not a key member of a team but looking to become one. Like more like Zac Jones than Fox.

With okids that haven’t really been close to a NHL spot, and they have come back and lost their spot in the lineup and looks a bit out of sync due to traveling and what not, I’ve several times had reason to ask myself ‘what the heck good did that do?’ Like it’s one thing if it’s a kid chomping at the bit who basically is “NHL ready” but that is immature and need to get the right focus or whatever. Someone who is in for a wake up call when showing up for their first camp.

But like with Edström, who is a major work in progress and who kind of is looking to take a big step from a 3rd/4th line role into becoming more of a go to player, I am just not sold on that someone has sat down and really considered the pros and cons of what a move like this actually does to him. That wouldn’t be unheard of with this organization either…

Fair enough.