Speculation: 2022-2023 General Lightning Discussion - Part 2

[DFC]

The asking price is low but where does he slot? I feel like if we're not going to use him in a role to maximize his scoring ability it's a waste.

Maybe a 3rd line of Jeannot-Colton-Domi? Other teams would hate their guts.

Honestly it's not really something I thought through or anything. When Domi's name first came up I thought it wouldn't make sense for us. But seeing the Leafs and Bruins loading up is pretty scary.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

Maybe a 3rd line of Jeannot-Colton-Domi? Other teams would hate their guts.

Honestly it's not really something I thought through or anything. When Domi's name first came up I thought it wouldn't make sense for us. But seeing the Leafs and Bruins loading up is pretty scary.

There's just not much we can do to "improve" thst much at this point. It would be a miracle to get out of the East this year. Might take a miracle to get out of the 1st round to be honest.

 

[Major4Boarding]

I would consdier adding Carlile as a potential piece to any trace. As a rookie, led the AHL in plus/minus for several games a couple of weeks ago and has not looked out of place on the Crunch blue line.

Honestly? Sounds like more of an asset you consider keeping... especially with the Org's tragically thin Defensive depth, no?

 

[AlwaysSunnyInTampa]

***And then suddenly HF Lightning became concerned with having to score more than 2 goals to win a playoff game***


Toldja so

 

[DFC]

There's just not much we can do to "improve" thst much at this point. It would be a miracle to get out of the East this year. Might take a miracle to get out of the 1st round to be honest.

I agree. Toronto looks really strong, and O'Reilly didn't exactly struggle to fit in.

 

[Felonious Python]

 

[JTBF81]

Domi doesn't really fit since scoring is not the issue, provided Coop deploys the optimal line configurations. He'd probably be best on the 2nd line with Paul and Stamkos in Tampa to maximize his offensive potential, perhaps something like:

Hagel-Point-Kuch
Domi-Paul-Stamkos
Killkrn-Cirelli-Jeannot
Colton-Eyssimont-Perry

It seems like he'd be more of a luxury when a scoring winger isn't really needed. I hope Tampa has one more move for a dman, as while Raddysh has looked very good in the AHL, having him.and Fleury as the depth in case if injury is worrisome, especially given how oft injured Bogo and Cernak have been.

 

[Zwui21]

***And then suddenly HF Lightning became concerned with having to score more than 2 goals to win a playoff game***


Toldja so

The silly thing is that we got the solution in our lineup: switch Paul and Cirelli.

But that doesn't seem to happen, no matter how trash we play

 

[DFC]

***And then suddenly HF Lightning became concerned with having to score more than 2 goals to win a playoff game***


Toldja so

I'm not sure if you actually saw the two cup runs.

Domi doesn't really fit since scoring is not the issue, provided Coop deploys the optimal line configurations. He'd probably be best on the 2nd line with Paul and Stamkos in Tampa to maximize his offensive potential, perhaps something like:

Hagel-Point-Kuch
Domi-Paul-Stamkos
Killkrn-Cirelli-Jeannot
Colton-Eyssimont-Perry

It seems like he'd be more of a luxury when a scoring winger isn't really needed. I hope Tampa has one more move for a dman, as while Raddysh has looked very good in the AHL, having him.and Fleury as the depth in case if injury is worrisome, especially given how oft injured Bogo and Cernak have been.

...That actually looks pretty frikkin good...

But Domi to Dallas, apparently.

 

[ccman68]

domi wasn’t worth shit last year but chicago just let him pad his stats on a shit team and get a second for it. good work i guess

 

[FinnLightning26]

I refuse to believe that Jaxsen Wiebe is a real name.

 

[Sky04]

Maybe a 3rd line of Jeannot-Colton-Domi? Other teams would hate their guts.

Honestly it's not really something I thought through or anything. When Domi's name first came up I thought it wouldn't make sense for us. But seeing the Leafs and Bruins loading up is pretty scary.

If Domi slots next to Kucherov and Point we'll get great value since he's offensive talented but doesn't carry a line. He's having a strong season next to Kane, like Hagel did last year and Kucherov is of the same mold.

I just don't trust Cooper to do so. Domi really isn't a 3rd line guy, he's a pest for sure but he's not a grinder. If we get Domi and play him on the first line and we can use Hagel downwards I think it's a decent move but of we get Domi to play him without anyone to help him score I think it's a waste.

 

[DFC]

If Domi slots next to Kucherov and Point we'll get great value since he's offensive talented but doesn't carry a line. I just don't trust Cooper to do so. Domi really isn't a 3rd line guy, he's a pest for sure but he's not a grinder. If we get Domi and play him on the first line and we can use Hagel downwards I think it's a decent move but of we get Domi to play him without anyone to help him score I think it's a waste.

I think there's going to come a point where we got with 91/21/86 and then Hagel with Cirelli. Cooper loves shut down lines when he needs them, and when he REALLY needs one he uses Point, so I don't think Stamkos and Cirelli will be tied together in the playoffs. Because Stamkos just doesn't fit that.

Domi looks Dallas bound.

Not sure if there are any D we would look at now, or how we would get it done. My guess is we're done up front.

 

[Sky04]

I think there's going to come a point where we got with 91/21/86 and then Hagel with Cirelli. Cooper loves shut down lines when he needs them, and when he REALLY needs one he uses Point, so I don't think Stamkos and Cirelli will be tied together in the playoffs. Because Stamkos just doesn't fit that.

Domi looks Dallas bound.

Not sure if there are any D we would look at now, or how we would get it done. My guess is we're done up front.

If they're not going to use Killorn-Stamkos-Paul then Stamkos-Point-Kucherov is the next best thing imo at least we're not wasting a premium offensive talent.

 

[JTBF81]

I'm not sure if you actually saw the two cup runs.


...That actually looks pretty frikkin good...

But Domi to Dallas, apparently.

Yeah, oh well. No big loss. If Tampa could move out Myers' 1.425 as part of one of the trades and waive/trade Fleury, it would be solid imo to go out and acquire Jason Dickinson and Nick Seeler. Dickinson provides a better 4th line option to work with Eyssimont and Perry, while Seeler could play 3LD all the way up to 1RD. At 50% on Dickinson, they could afford both, and both are signed for next year as well. The lines could look something like;

Hagel-Point-Kuch
Killorn-Paul-Stamkos
Colton-Cirelli-Jeannot
Eyssimont-Dickinaon-Perry
Maroon

Hedman-Cole/Seeler/Bogo
Sergachev-Perbix
Seeler/Cole-Cernak
Seeler/Bogo rotate
Raddysh

 

[DFC]

If they're not going to use Killorn-Stamkos-Paul then Stamkos-Point-Kucherov is the next best thing imo at least we're not wasting a premium offensive talent.

I think we will see that line in Game 1 of the playoffs. But I also think, like last year, we will end up playing Point and Cirelli together and matching them against Matthews or Marner, whichever one is hotter, if they aren't on the same line by then.

I know we all have pet peeves about Stamkos/Cirelli being glued together, but my biggest one is there's no way we will stick to that in a long playoff run, so why are we doing that now? Cirelli played a shut down role in every single round. That's unlikely to change, and there's no way we are playing Stamkos in that role, so why not use these games to find some chemistry elsewhere?

 

[Sky04]

I think we will see that line in Game 1 of the playoffs. But I also think, like last year, we will end up playing Point and Cirelli together and matching them against Matthews or Marner, whichever one is hotter, if they aren't on the same line by then.

I know we all have pet peeves about Stamkos/Cirelli being glued together, but my biggest one is there's no way we will stick to that in a long playoff run, so why are we doing that now? Cirelli played a shut down role in every single round. That's unlikely to change, and there's no way we are playing Stamkos in that role, so why not use these games to find some chemistry elsewhere?

I don't think that's going to happen with Point and Cirelli but call it out if you see it.

As for the Stamkos/Cirelli part I agree, it makes no sense short or long term to play them together, they were a line in the 2021 playoffs but they were outshined by the Gourde line and like 70% of their production was away from eachother because Stamkos was racking up points on the PP.

Honestly dont get why Killorn-Paul-Stamkos have been split for 3.5 months, maybe they see something we don't but by all metrics that is a great 2nd line that has everything. They've only played as a line for 2 and half months also, you can't just throw them back and expect instant results either. Just over a month left until playoffs, we should be solidifying chemistry now.

 

[Crunchrulz]

Honestly? Sounds like more of an asset you consider keeping... especially with the Org's tragically thin Defensive depth, no?

Tampa Bay is all in over the next two years and have made it clear that no prospect if off limits if it means getting pieces to return to the Finals. Young players like Carlile would normally be kept and used to build the future base around but with Tampa, as we have seen so many times in the past, one never knows.

 

[DFC]

I don't think that's going to happen with Point and Cirelli but call it out if you see it.

As for the Stamkos/Cirelli part I agree, it makes no sense short or long term to play them together, they were a line in the 2021 playoffs but they were outshined by the Gourde line and like 70% of their production was away from eachother because Stamkos was racking up points on the PP.

Honestly dont get why Killorn-Paul-Stamkos have been split for 3.5 months, maybe they see something we don't but by all metrics that is a great 2nd line that has everything. They've only played as a line for 2 and half months also, you can't just throw them back and expect instant results either. Just over a month left until playoffs, we should be solidifying chemistry now.

I think Cooper goes with Point/Cirelli when he's desperate to stop somebody, and I think we are gonna get desperate to stop at least one line on the Leafs.

Yeah, Gourde was in the shutdown role in 2021, and Cirelli, frankly, was just not good that year. But last year he did match up against the other teams' top line every night and, for the most part, snuffed them out. I don't see us having a better option than doing that again this year. So unless Cooper has had a drastic change of philosophy about matching lines, I don't understand why he has Stamkos glued next to our best shut down option. It would be like playing Stamkos on the Gourde line.

Seems like both our offense and defense would get a bump from moving Cirelli down a spot. We have guys who can complement what he does defensively, especially if this new guy works out. If we don't HAVE to take Point off a scoring line, that's all the better. I just think we are gonna get to the point where Coop pulls that lever, probably early on against the Leafs, really.

 

[TheDaysOf 04]

No idea who he is, but lets trade Meyers and 1st, make it happen JBB.

Former teammate of Sergachev and d partner for Sean Day on Windsor’s memorial cup team

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Maybe a 3rd line of Jeannot-Colton-Domi? Other teams would hate their guts.

Honestly it's not really something I thought through or anything. When Domi's name first came up I thought it wouldn't make sense for us. But seeing the Leafs and Bruins loading up is pretty scary.

we need d. I know domi has already been traded, but this makes no sense

Yeah, oh well. No big loss. If Tampa could move out Myers' 1.425 as part of one of the trades and waive/trade Fleury, it would be solid imo to go out and acquire Jason Dickinson and Nick Seeler. Dickinson provides a better 4th line option to work with Eyssimont and Perry, while Seeler could play 3LD all the way up to 1RD. At 50% on Dickinson, they could afford both, and both are signed for next year as well. The lines could look something like;

Hagel-Point-Kuch
Killorn-Paul-Stamkos
Colton-Cirelli-Jeannot
Eyssimont-Dickinaon-Perry
Maroon

Hedman-Cole/Seeler/Bogo
Sergachev-Perbix
Seeler/Cole-Cernak
Seeler/Bogo rotate
Raddysh

We can't waive Fleury anymore

 

[DFC]

With Detroit doing a mini-sell, wouldn't it make sense for them to deal David Perron? Not thinking about us as a destination, but you have to think calls are being made.

 

[ccman68]

if myers goes the other way we can afford seeler with no retention. myers was good for flyers at one point so maybe they'd even want him back

 

[JTBF81]

we need d. I know domi has already been traded, but this makes no sense


We can't waive Fleury anymore

No problem, they would move Fleury as part of the deal for either Seeler or Dickinson in my example above. Getting both helps this year and next in terms of cap certainty. Dickinson would be less likely if Chicago couldn't retain, but it wouldn't be impossible. It would allow them to not have to play either of their weakest F's, PEB or Maroon, on an everyday basis any longer. Bellemare would likely be sent down, while Maroon could still rotate in based on matchups.

 

[Byrddog]

Spending like that with our core one would think we would see a dominant team. And on some nights they are but other nights it’s just woof.