2022-2023 Blues Multi-Purpose Thread

[Vladys Gumption]

I don’t get it. Wouldn’t mind it for the warm body if he was only signed through this season. But why bring him in for next year?

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

Wow, I'm surprised.

don't understand this unless Barby is heading out soon

even then, not good use of the cap

 

[Linkens Mastery]

uhhhhh why did we claim Kapanen?

We're about to trade Barbie to Pittsburgh?

don't understand this unless Barby is heading out soon

even then, not good use of the cap

My first thought as well.

 

[LGB]

don't understand this unless Barby is heading out soon

even then, not good use of the cap

Yep. We should be getting paid assets to take other teams cap dumps. Not taking them for free.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I'm even more annoyed we didn't claim Eeli Tolvanen now. Lol

 

[PJJJP]

The only thing I can think of is Kapanen is 26. DA did say he wanted to get guys who were 26. Doesn't mean they have to be good 26 year olds

 

[PocketNines]

Barbashev replacement

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

I don’t get it. Wouldn’t mind it for the warm body if he was only signed through this season. But why bring him in for next year?

totally forgot he's got another year on him.. wow.. just... wow

I guess they think he's salvagable?

 

[Vladys Gumption]

Barbashev replacement

I suppose, but a completely different style of player. Kapanen is most definitely a skilled perimeter type of guy. Not a crash and bang guy like Barbashev.

 

[Beauterham]

uhhhhh why did we claim Kapanen?

Well, we do need players to fill the roster... With losing Tarasenko, O'Reilly and Acciari were down three forwards.
Kapanen didn't fit the Penguins system. He has a 3.2 million AAV so that's okay for a third liner albeit a bit high for his production. Army probably thinks we can get something more out of him. As I said yesterday on this forum: If he fails: his contract ends after next season, if he's decent: we can possibly trade him at next years trade deadline for a free pick and this gives us the option to let Snuggerug develop another year in the NCAA while we have a warm body for the main team that can move up in the line up in case of injury's.

I have a feeling I'm the only one, but I like this move. We have enough capspace anyway, so might as well use it on a reclamation project.

 

[tfriede2]

uhhhhh why did we claim Kapanen?

Better than acquiring Meier for huge assets

 

[PocketNines]

The Blues are going to be selling again at next year's deadline so why not pick up someone you can maybe turn into a 2d or 3d with the right luck

 

[bleedblue1223]

Honestly, just toss him on a line with Thomas, and hope for the best. He's someone that needs to be on an offensive line, and we certainly have spots for that now. Next season is a transition season, so it's sort of insurance if Snuggerud and Bolduc aren't ready. This should probably ease some of the nerves that people have that Army will ship a ton of assets out for expensive guys like Meier.

Like I said yesterday, I'd have some interest in Kapanen, but it would depend on Army's plan. If Army really wanted to use that cap on a Meier, then it wouldn't make sense, if he didn't, then it absolutely makes sense. Definitely would've like Tolvanen earlier in the year, but oh well.

 

[STL fan in MN]

I don’t like it.

He’ll make $3.2M next year. He’s not worth that and the Blues still have a cap crunch.

He’s a floater PIT finally got sick of and jettisoned him. I’m sure Chief will love this guy…

Only thing I’m looking forward to is if he somehow plays against PIT in an hour as that would be funny. But that little kick lasts a few minutes and then we’re stuck with another floater for $3.2M next season…

It’s likely also a setup for another deal (probably Barbs) but there’s better ways to do that than to add Kapanen at $3.2M IMO.

 

[Novacain]

Better than acquiring Meier for huge assets

Better to do absolutely nothing then either.

 

[Xerloris]

Came across some pretty insane combination stats. It appears that Kyrou and the Krug + Faulk pairing are like oil and water. Check out these splits:

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[TR]
[TH][/TH]

[TH]TOI[/TH]
[TH]CF%[/TH]
[TH]xGF%[/TH]
[TH]GF/GA[/TH]
[TH]HDCF%[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]25+47+72[/TD]
[TD]159.8[/TD]
[TD]45.5[/TD]
[TD]33.1[/TD]
[TD]4/15[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]47+72 w/o 25[/TD]
[TD]317.3[/TD]
[TD]51.5[/TD]
[TD]51.4[/TD]
[TD]15/16[/TD]
[TD]45.1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]25 w/o 47+72[/TD]
[TD]405.5[/TD]
[TD]49.3[/TD]
[TD]48[/TD]
[TD]24/26[/TD]
[TD]45.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

The majority of their minutes they have pretty average results, but in those ~160 minutes together it's an absolute disaster.

So that's what happen when you combine a forward that doesn't play defense with a defensive pair that can't play defense.

uhhhhh why did we claim Kapanen?

Why not?

 

[simon IC]

I suppose, but a completely different style of player. Kapanen is most definitely a skilled perimeter type of guy. Not a crash and bang guy like Barbashev.

Oh yay, just what we need right now.
I remember reading that while not physical, his speed helps him to be okay defensively. I hope this is the case.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Oh yay, just what we need right now.
I remember reading that while not physical, his speed helps him to be okay defensively. I hope this is the case.

He's well over 1 hit per game the past 2 seasons, so it's not that he's not physical either.

 

[tfriede2]

Better to do absolutely nothing then either.

He helps the tank next year, too, apparently based on his reviews

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

This is kind of move bad teams can do. Take a chance on underachiever/stalled player with talent. If he hits we got something. If not no big loss. Detroit did this with us couple times.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I think an under-rated aspect of claiming Kapanen, is showing the team that we are going to add NHL talent and not just tank, and that we shouldn't really want to have young guys up right now while the team is falling apart. We just sent Alexandrov down, which is probably a good thing for him. He's not going to develop in this environment, so let him have a good final stretch with Springfield and then hopefully another playoff run.

And every once in a while, you get a waiver claim that just works, like Florida with Forsling.

 

[Majorityof1]

We claimed Kapanen.

You are welcome Pittsburgh, now give us a massive haul for Barbashev. That is the only way this makes sense.

 

[Gumbercules]

Kapanen isn't as bad as his reputation would suggest. It's just hard to know what to do with him in a lineup.

He has got great speed, but he's a bit timid, so he will maddingly never drive wide to the net and push back defenders even when he has a step on someone, and just pull up at the hash marks to wait for help. He has a pretty good shot, but doesn't play well without the puck, so only really gets chances when he creates them himself. Doesn't really have much awareness to be on either the PP or the PK, despite being used on both in the past.

He has tools and isn't particularly lazy, but just doesn't fit well with others. I wouldn't be surprised if a change of scenery did a lot of good for him, as Sullivan clearly had lost confidence in him and he wasn't getting many quality minutes with capable players (played mostly with McGinn and Carter's lifeless body).

Not sure of STL's cap situation, but if they have flexibility, then i don't think he's a bad guy to take a flyer on, even with an extra year.

 

[BlueDream]

I guess I don’t hate it. He has some skill and can play physical too, so he’s a decent middle 6 player.

My main concern is I don’t think Armstrong and the Blues really know what to do with this roster. It’s clear that our team defense is a major problem, and that means not just the defensemen. It’s everyone, the forwards don’t do enough either. It seems like we need to be actively adding players that are good in their own zone. A move like this goes against that. So again, I have no idea what type of identity to expect moving forward or if we will just never have one again.

 

[STL fan in MN]

Kapanen isn't as bad as his reputation would suggest. It's just hard to know what to do with him in a lineup.

He has got great speed, but he's a bit timid, so he will maddingly never drive wide to the net and push back defenders even when he has a step on someone, and just pull up at the hash marks to wait for help. He has a pretty good shot, but doesn't play well without the puck, so only really gets chances when he creates them himself. Doesn't really have much awareness to be on either the PP or the PK, despite being used on both in the past.

He has tools and isn't particularly lazy, but just doesn't fit well with others. I wouldn't be surprised if a change of scenery did a lot of good for him, as Sullivan clearly had lost confidence in him and he wasn't getting many quality minutes with capable players (played mostly with McGinn and Carter's lifeless body).

Not sure of STL's cap situation, but if they have flexibility, then i don't think he's a bad guy to take a flyer on, even with an extra year.

The Blues don’t really have much cap flexibility though…

…unless some other move is made that moves out a high dollar guy like Krug, Parayko, Schenn etc.