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PJJJPanesar said:
Probably a committee including both DA and Berube. They’re not going to hire a coach without having Berube talk to them and see if they fit his vision and style
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Right. Exactly what I assumed. Which leads me to want to understand the weight that each opinion holds.
 
PJJJPanesar said:
I read the Bernie Miklasz article he wrote today and it was pretty funny. The overall summary is Schenn shouldn’t be anywhere near the captain spot. Kyrou is flaky, impertinent and entitled. RT isn’t there yet but is heading in the same direction. Parayko is bad, krug is bad. Faulk is bad but he’s trying his best. Berube is an honorable, hard working, earnest man who is coaching a bunch of snakes and phonies 🤣
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Like Bernie would know if any of that is true. Guy is a clown.
 
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I like Berube but I gotta be honest. That’s not a good look for him.

His comments caused such a firestorm that his boss had to come talk to the team and then media to try to put out the fire. To double down and seemingly not back down from it at all after all that is fairly tone deaf IMO.
 
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STL fan in IA said:
Nah, it was just a poorly constructed analogy.

He was talking about how they had a great last 10 years. But the next 10 years starts today and that some of the guys in the room won’t be around the team 10 years from now but they need to be a part of that journey now.

I can only assume he was trying to soften things by saying

I like Berube but I gotta be honest. That’s not a good look for him.

His comments caused such a firestorm that his boss had to come talk to the team and then media to try to put out the fire. To double down and seemingly not back down from it at all after all that is fairly tone deaf IMO.
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Berube also has to be aware that he would get rehired quickly to take some pretty good team to great heights.

He's had five years of being up close with Kyrou and Thomas and I think he has a super clear idea what he can expect from them shift in and shift out. He could be in a mode of forcing the issue because to ask him to coach guys he thinks have no emotion or intensity might be a bridge too far for him personally. We all have dealbreakers in professional lives.

Ultimately Armstrong signed 18 and 25 for far longer and far more millions than Berube so Berube knows what the score is. I certainly don't believe Berube would last through the end of next season if the effort remains like this.

I can understand people forming a negative opinion of Berube for this or demanding better coaching from him and his staff, but I can also see Berube's perspective. Armstrong has made it clear that it's a business and guys go out the door without a word like the way he treated Perron. So Berube knows that can happen to anyone Armstrong employs.
 
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Seems like last night things reached a boiling point with the team. I think it's understandable, in a room full of all highly competitive people a season going the way it has like this when many are so used to success, combined with frustration/anxiety over the trades, losing your captain, etc.
 
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mk80 said:
Seems like last night things reached a boiling point with the team. I think it's understandable, in a room full of all highly competitive people a season going the way it has like this when many are so used to success, combined with frustration/anxiety over the trades, losing your captain, etc.
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I think they all realized they are going to be a part of a rebuild and will suck for the next several years.
 
What is with Armstrong and his water references. Throw the baby out with the bath water. Everyone needs to grab a bucket. Always talking about ships. I digress.

Pure frustration last night. At the end of the day, we can argue for days on end about why the Blues are where they are but we are doing the proper things rebuild the pipeline of talent to have future success. Who knows who will be part of that going forward, including the coaching staff, but we needed to take a step back and start accruing assets that can help shape the future. And that's what we're doing this deadline. Honestly, squeaking into the playoffs for a hopeless playoff run would have been the worst outcome of this season once it was clear we weren't contenders.
 
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TheOrganist said:
What is with Armstrong and his water references. Throw the baby out with the bath water. Everyone needs to grab a bucket. Always talking about ships. I digress.

Pure frustration last night. At the end of the day, we can argue for days on end about why the Blues are where they are but we are doing the proper things rebuild the pipeline of talent to have future success. Who knows who will be part of that going forward, including the coaching staff, but we needed to take a step back and start accruing assets that can help shape the future. And that's what we're doing this deadline. Honestly, squeaking into the playoffs for a hopeless playoff run would have been the worst outcome of this season once it was clear we weren't contenders.
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He used lotsa cliches in that band aid speech.
 
TheOrganist said:
What is with Armstrong and his water references. Throw the baby out with the bath water. Everyone needs to grab a bucket. Always talking about ships. I digress.
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lol, it IS a lot of them. Maybe frictionless gliding of boat on water is the idealized result of all the effort of each individual component. I experienced on a single occasion the indescribable bliss of being in a boat of eight rowers in competition when the boat is perfectly set and it was one of the most unforgettable experiences. It is sublime and it stays with you.
 
PocketNines said:
Berube also has to be aware that he would get rehired quickly to take some pretty good team to great heights.

He's had five years of being up close with Kyrou and Thomas and I think he has a super clear idea what he can expect from them shift in and shift out. He could be in a mode of forcing the issue because to ask him to coach guys he thinks have no emotion or intensity might be a bridge too far for him personally. We all have dealbreakers in professional lives.

Ultimately Armstrong signed 18 and 25 for far longer and far more millions than Berube so Berube knows what the score is. I certainly don't believe Berube would last through the end of next season if the effort remains like this.

I can understand people forming a negative opinion of Berube for this or demanding better coaching from him and his staff, but I can also see Berube's perspective. Armstrong has made it clear that it's a business and guys go out the door without a word like the way he treated Perron. So Berube knows that can happen to anyone Armstrong employs.
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Certainly a possibility.

But while he’d like get hired quickly again, I would expect some GMs to give pause hiring a guy if he shows consistently poor communication skills, particularly with Gen Z types.
 
I think the whole issue about Berubes comments are kinda overblown. Its probably just the season being over early when everyone had ambitions that is causing a frustration. The players are kids in their 20s who get to this point in their career by being hyper competitive psychos their whole lives. I'm sure its hard to get motivated to play it out after we threw in the towel. The coaches are pissed about the season and see the player's staggering.

I don't think theres any real issue except some short term frustrations playing out. If we make a few moves and are back in it next year, I doubt any of them will care about this.
 
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Mike Liut said:
Sunny looks at the standings, looks at the roster, says nope lol
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Certainly a possibility.

But depends on what all other teams are interested in him. If the others are also about the same level, then perhaps the draw of playing with some of his buddies (“elite” RT), would sway him to STL.
 
PocketNines said:
lol, it IS a lot of them. Maybe frictionless gliding of boat on water is the idealized result of all the effort of each individual component. I experienced on a single occasion the indescribable bliss of being in a boat of eight rowers in competition when the boat is perfectly set and it was one of the most unforgettable experiences. It is sublime and it stays with you.
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I think this correlation is giving Armstrong’s intellect too much credit, P9’s. I find him to be incredibly inarticulate.
 
Came across some pretty insane combination stats. It appears that Kyrou and the Krug + Faulk pairing are like oil and water. Check out these splits:

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[TR]
[TH][/TH]

[TH]TOI[/TH]
[TH]CF%[/TH]
[TH]xGF%[/TH]
[TH]GF/GA[/TH]
[TH]HDCF%[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]25+47+72[/TD]
[TD]159.8[/TD]
[TD]45.5[/TD]
[TD]33.1[/TD]
[TD]4/15[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]47+72 w/o 25[/TD]
[TD]317.3[/TD]
[TD]51.5[/TD]
[TD]51.4[/TD]
[TD]15/16[/TD]
[TD]45.1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]25 w/o 47+72[/TD]
[TD]405.5[/TD]
[TD]49.3[/TD]
[TD]48[/TD]
[TD]24/26[/TD]
[TD]45.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

The majority of their minutes they have pretty average results, but in those ~160 minutes together it's an absolute disaster.
 
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LGB said:
Came across some pretty insane combination stats. It appears that Kyrou and the Krug + Faulk pairing are like oil and water. Check out these splits:

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TH][/TH]

[TH]TOI[/TH]
[TH]CF%[/TH]
[TH]xGF%[/TH]
[TH]GF/GA[/TH]
[TH]HDCF%[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]25+47+72[/TD]
[TD]159.8[/TD]
[TD]45.5[/TD]
[TD]33.1[/TD]
[TD]4/15[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]47+72 w/o 25[/TD]
[TD]317.3[/TD]
[TD]51.5[/TD]
[TD]51.4[/TD]
[TD]15/16[/TD]
[TD]45.1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]25 w/o 47+72[/TD]
[TD]405.5[/TD]
[TD]49.3[/TD]
[TD]48[/TD]
[TD]24/26[/TD]
[TD]45.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

The majority of their minutes they have pretty average results, but in those ~160 minutes together it's an absolute disaster.
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So putting our worst defensive forward out on the ice with our worker defensive d-man results in us getting caved in.

Not surprising really. It’s doable to shelter a guy but to shelter 2 at the same time? Not really doable.
 
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STL fan in IA said:
So putting our worst defensive forward out on the ice with our worker defensive d-man results in us getting caved in.

Not surprising really. It’s doable to shelter a guy but to shelter 2 at the same time? Not really doable.
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It's not surprising that they're bad together, but the splits are insane. Never seen anything like this before. 33.1 xGF% is incredibly bad, you just don't see it go that low. Also very interesting that in minutes without Kyrou on the ice the Krug - Faulk pairing has performed pretty well given the team context.
 
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