2022-2023 Blues Multi-Purpose Thread

[ChicagoBlues]

I came to this website a long time ago for exactly this type of detailed discussion.

If I want to know more about the only sports team I love, then this is where I come.

Sooooo……

 

[PocketNines]

I think @PocketNines and I both have fairly similar argumentative writing styles and are both a bit too condescending for our own good. Usually makes for fun conversations.

Speaking for my own emotions using my own words, I experience narrowly tailored contempt but restricted exclusively to people who attack me personally, which is constant here.

When I was a 5 year old kindergartener in 6th grade class I wasn't condescending to anyone ... but I certainly was targeted. At first I tried the strategy taught to me when I was young: Jesus – turn the other check, MLK – nonviolence, Gandhi – be the change you want to see in the world, mother – be the better man. But I learned very well how useful those strategies are. They are tickets to greater abuse. They are for suckers. Peers see that and they smell even more blood. I was a really kind, nice, thoughtful kid and I loved the Blues. My existence threatened people. By the time I was taking college math while in 6th grade at Brittany in UCity I learned that turning the other cheek like Jesus to show them how unjust they were being didn't work, that simply encouraged additional physical abuse. It was so bad we moved to a new school district. At Wydown and Clayton High the abuse was constant and verbal. Once I found out about "class rank" as a concept I decided to be the valedictorian in a way that lapped the field and embarrassed them by taking an absurdly difficult schedule while doing it.

There are many counterproductive ways to respond to childhood abuse. I became a dynamic person with wide and passionate interests determined to have a well traveled life filled a duty to my fellow human to contribute my best. But the way this community is, it's impossible for there not to be so many other damaged people acting out their own abuse scenarios and thus it's impossible for someone not to attack a person who expresses a strong opinion. It's just not in this community to be better, nor is it in humanity.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Someone on Twitter is talking about Kerber and Vitale reporting Tarasenko slamming the door, refusing to move, and him and Berube barking at each other at the end of the game.




Not sure how true it is, but the cracks are forming. Tarasenko should have been traded over the off season.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Speaking for my own emotions using my own words, I experience narrowly tailored contempt but restricted exclusively to people who attack me personally, which is constant here.

When I was a 5 year old kindergartener in 6th grade class I wasn't condescending to anyone ... but I certainly was targeted. At first I tried the strategy taught to me when I was young: Jesus – turn the other check, MLK – nonviolence, Gandhi – be the change you want to see in the world, mother – be the better man. But I learned very well how useful those strategies are. They are tickets to greater abuse. They are for suckers. Peers see that and they smell even more blood. I was a really kind, nice, thoughtful kid and I loved the Blues. My existence threatened people. By the time I was taking college math while in 6th grade at Brittany in UCity I learned that turning the other cheek like Jesus to show them how unjust they were being didn't work, that simply encouraged additional physical abuse. It was so bad we moved to a new school district. At Wydown and Clayton High the abuse was constant and verbal. Once I found out about "class rank" as a concept I decided to be the valedictorian in a way that lapped the field and embarrassed them by taking an absurdly difficult schedule while doing it.

There are many counterproductive ways to respond to childhood abuse. I became a dynamic person with wide and passionate interests determined to have a well traveled life filled a duty to my fellow human to contribute my best. But the way this community is, it's impossible for there not to be so many other damaged people acting out their own abuse scenarios and thus it's impossible for someone not to attack a person who expresses a strong opinion. It's just not in this community to be better, nor is it in humanity.

Thank you for sharing all of this. I appreciate the vulnerability.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Someone on Twitter is talking about Kerber and Vitale reporting Tarasenko slamming the door, refusing to move, and him and Berube barking at each other at the end of the game.




Not sure how true it is, but the cracks are forming. Tarasenko should have been traded over the off season.

Can this be over now, please? Thank you.

 

[PocketNines]

Thank you for sharing all of this. I appreciate the vulnerability.

the TL;DR version is I can tell you what the top 100 doomed and ambiguously ending noirs of all time are

 

[ChicagoBlues]

the TL;DR version is I can tell you what the top 100 doomed and ambiguously ending noirs of all time are

Love that!

 

[Stealth JD]

Maybe Tarasenko is ready to waive his NTC now; surely somebody would take him at 50% retention for their Cup run.

 

[Fez Whatley]

the TL;DR version is I can tell you what the top 100 doomed and ambiguously ending noirs of all time are

Please share. I adore old movies.

 

[Majorityof1]

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[PocketNines]

Please share. I adore old movies.

This is a rough draft, for example I already know I'm moving Taxi Driver up in the 18-22 range. I'll refine it on the final pass as I write individual reviews. But this represents 21 consecutive months of me putting it through an intense, comprehensive process and so as a complete rough draft I'm satisfied with it for the moment while I take a well-deserved pause. This leaves out certain noirs one might expect but this particular list criteria has pretty strict rules on 1) the doom/ambiguous endings (except satires like The Long Goodbye and the obviously satirical ending of Blue Velvet) and 2) the protagonist has to be a regular person not a gangster, assassin or superhero.

 

[Xerloris]

Someone on Twitter is talking about Kerber and Vitale reporting Tarasenko slamming the door, refusing to move, and him and Berube barking at each other at the end of the game.




Not sure how true it is, but the cracks are forming. Tarasenko should have been traded over the off season.

To be fair he fought with Hitchcock a lot and a lot of players argue with the coach. It's a game filled with emotions so just yelling at each other really isn't that big of a surprise.

 

[Fez Whatley]

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This is a rough draft, for example I already know I'm moving Taxi Driver up in the 18-22 range. I'll refine it on the final pass as I write individual reviews. But this represents 21 consecutive months of me putting it through an intense, comprehensive process and so as a complete rough draft I'm satisfied with it for the moment while I take a well-deserved pause. This leaves out certain noirs one might expect but this particular list criteria has pretty strict rules on 1) the doom/ambiguous endings (except satires like The Long Goodbye and the obviously satirical ending of Blue Velvet) and 2) the protagonist has to be a regular person not a gangster, assassin or superhero.

AWESOME!! Thanks a bunch. Im saving and going to watch. Thanks again this rocks!

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Someone on Twitter is talking about Kerber and Vitale reporting Tarasenko slamming the door, refusing to move, and him and Berube barking at each other at the end of the game.




Not sure how true it is, but the cracks are forming. Tarasenko should have been traded over the off season.

I can't imagine a team in the league that wouldn't have had a shouting match between someone after the week the Blues have had. If this is true, I assign no special importance to it. Tarasenko is going to be traded no matter what happens next, or if he decides to nuke any trades, he'll just play out the balance of this shitty season then move on as UFA. Accepting the trade would be a better business decision though in terms of enhancing his value.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

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This is a rough draft, for example I already know I'm moving Taxi Driver up in the 18-22 range. I'll refine it on the final pass as I write individual reviews. But this represents 21 consecutive months of me putting it through an intense, comprehensive process and so as a complete rough draft I'm satisfied with it for the moment while I take a well-deserved pause. This leaves out certain noirs one might expect but this particular list criteria has pretty strict rules on 1) the doom/ambiguous endings (except satires like The Long Goodbye and the obviously satirical ending of Blue Velvet) and 2) the protagonist has to be a regular person not a gangster, assassin or superhero.

One of my Top 10 of all time is Manhattan Murder Mystery (an ill-timed Woody Allen release that deserved a better fate than it got). While it probably wouldn't qualify as Film Noir, it has multiple references to Double Indemnity, including a confused shoot-out behind a screening of Double Indemnity where one of the characters (unironically) quotes a line from the movie verbatim as it plays on screen. I have a feeling you'd enjoy the homage.

The movie itself tells the story of a paranoid NY housewife who is pathologically suspicious of her neighbors to the point she concocts a murder plot she believes the neighbor carried out. Except you gradually realize she's right. Some of Allen's best cinematography.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Speaking for my own emotions using my own words, I experience narrowly tailored contempt but restricted exclusively to people who attack me personally, which is constant here.

When I was a 5 year old kindergartener in 6th grade class I wasn't condescending to anyone ... but I certainly was targeted. At first I tried the strategy taught to me when I was young: Jesus – turn the other check, MLK – nonviolence, Gandhi – be the change you want to see in the world, mother – be the better man. But I learned very well how useful those strategies are. They are tickets to greater abuse. They are for suckers. Peers see that and they smell even more blood. I was a really kind, nice, thoughtful kid and I loved the Blues. My existence threatened people. By the time I was taking college math while in 6th grade at Brittany in UCity I learned that turning the other cheek like Jesus to show them how unjust they were being didn't work, that simply encouraged additional physical abuse. It was so bad we moved to a new school district. At Wydown and Clayton High the abuse was constant and verbal. Once I found out about "class rank" as a concept I decided to be the valedictorian in a way that lapped the field and embarrassed them by taking an absurdly difficult schedule while doing it.

There are many counterproductive ways to respond to childhood abuse. I became a dynamic person with wide and passionate interests determined to have a well traveled life filled a duty to my fellow human to contribute my best. But the way this community is, it's impossible for there not to be so many other damaged people acting out their own abuse scenarios and thus it's impossible for someone not to attack a person who expresses a strong opinion. It's just not in this community to be better, nor is it in humanity.

I became familiar with your posting style at a time when I was responsible for policing conflicts and rules infractions on this board. For a stretch I was the only Mod. I came to view you as a magnet for conflict and felt that your posting style was unnecessarily condescending. At any rate, I was forced to deal with situations you were involved with on multiple occasions. I think my role at that time prejudiced me as the years have gone by and you have returned to active posting more recently.

I still think you use needlessly inflammatory language at times when you're disagreeing with someone, and they try to lob grenades back at you. There are few posters here who can keep up with your facility with the language, so those exchanges usually have a predictable outcome. But does anyone's opinion about hockey really deserve contempt, no matter how wrongheaded? That's a word I would reserve to describe abusers and exploiters who victimize the innocent.

I've had my share of arguments with other posters, but it usually runs a course more like grade school friends who get in a fight. They come to blows one day, but by the end of the week they're back in the sandbox together and all is forgotten, if not forgiven. At least it goes that way for me.

But what I really wanted to say is that I've come to appreciate your thoughtful analysis. What you shared gave me new insight into the motivation for your posting style. If I ever came across as 'attacking you personally' I regret my part in that. I still remember laughing at your reaction when I posted "Too Many Dicks on the Dance Floor" when the Blues got a Too Many Men penalty, many seasons ago. I wish our board had more of that type of camaraderie and less judgement. I reserve the right to share my honest opinion, but I'd like to clear the slate with you if you'll do the same.

 

[taylord22]

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This is a rough draft, for example I already know I'm moving Taxi Driver up in the 18-22 range. I'll refine it on the final pass as I write individual reviews. But this represents 21 consecutive months of me putting it through an intense, comprehensive process and so as a complete rough draft I'm satisfied with it for the moment while I take a well-deserved pause. This leaves out certain noirs one might expect but this particular list criteria has pretty strict rules on 1) the doom/ambiguous endings (except satires like The Long Goodbye and the obviously satirical ending of Blue Velvet) and 2) the protagonist has to be a regular person not a gangster, assassin or superhero.

This is awesome. Are you going to publish? I appreciate the strict rules. Without them, I would’ve battled with myself over how to include 2049 and The Nice Guys with my own ranking of ones that I’ve seen

I love the latter to a near irrational degree.

(Note: I’ve only seen 75% of these, give or take)

Question: Not that I’m suggesting it merits placement…is Wind River a noir in your eyes?

 

[Celtic Note]

Speaking for my own emotions using my own words, I experience narrowly tailored contempt but restricted exclusively to people who attack me personally, which is constant here.

When I was a 5 year old kindergartener in 6th grade class I wasn't condescending to anyone ... but I certainly was targeted. At first I tried the strategy taught to me when I was young: Jesus – turn the other check, MLK – nonviolence, Gandhi – be the change you want to see in the world, mother – be the better man. But I learned very well how useful those strategies are. They are tickets to greater abuse. They are for suckers. Peers see that and they smell even more blood. I was a really kind, nice, thoughtful kid and I loved the Blues. My existence threatened people. By the time I was taking college math while in 6th grade at Brittany in UCity I learned that turning the other cheek like Jesus to show them how unjust they were being didn't work, that simply encouraged additional physical abuse. It was so bad we moved to a new school district. At Wydown and Clayton High the abuse was constant and verbal. Once I found out about "class rank" as a concept I decided to be the valedictorian in a way that lapped the field and embarrassed them by taking an absurdly difficult schedule while doing it.

There are many counterproductive ways to respond to childhood abuse. I became a dynamic person with wide and passionate interests determined to have a well traveled life filled a duty to my fellow human to contribute my best. But the way this community is, it's impossible for there not to be so many other damaged people acting out their own abuse scenarios and thus it's impossible for someone not to attack a person who expresses a strong opinion. It's just not in this community to be better, nor is it in humanity.

Sorry to hear that happened to you. It’s too bad people can’t deal with their own crap instead of taking it out on others.

I hear what your saying about turning the other cheek. It rarely does anything against an abuser. Frankly, I always thought less of those engaging in the abuse (still do) and would not put up with it. That’s how I ended up a mod despite not wanting to be one. I am so glad to no longer be one. You try to do things right and yet people just can’t seem to see the wrongs they do. It’s a pretty miserable and frustrating role.

As for this board, it seems like posters who don’t seek conflict don’t find it as much as those who do. Inflammatory comments get inflammatory responses. Cordial comments get cordial responses. And sometimes there are those that feel the need to be a pain regardless as that’s their default position for whatever reason.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

The Blues don't have the personnel to focus on D. Instead they have Thomas, Kyrou, Faulk and Krug for the new NHL that Armstrong sees. Really powerful vision.

I think if you remove Krug you can definitely build a Cup winning team with Kyrou, Thomas, and Faulk on the team at their upcoming caphits if you can surround them with good complaintary pieces.

Right now we have a couple good ones in Buchnevich, Schenn, and Saad (and Parayko if he gets his head out of his ass). I definitely think to get back into a playoff window we need to grab a decently young top 4 LHD with at least 1st pairing upside. And to find a decent defensive 3C.

???-Thomas-Kyrou
???-Schenn-Buch
Saad-???-???

???-Parayko(Defensive)
???-Faulk(Offensive)

We definitely need a heavy retool either during the trade deadline or this offseason and Krug has got to get moved. Or even a buy-out of his contract this offseason wouldn't be the end of the world looking at the numbers. (His buyout wouldn't hit the Blues for more than 2.5mil except once in 26-27)

I also think if you can exchange MacTavish with a coach who actually understands how to coach in the NHL the horrid defense would get better.

 

[PocketNines]

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This is awesome. Are you going to publish? I appreciate the strict rules. Without them, I would’ve battled with myself over how to include 2049 and The Nice Guys with my own ranking of ones that I’ve seen

I love the latter to a near irrational degree.

(Note: I’ve only seen 75% of these, give or take)

Question: Not that I’m suggesting it merits placement…is Wind River a noir in your eyes?

I didn't actually set out to do this. I organically started watching some noirs during the pandemic when my schedule had me up late and finding myself compelled by them sought out lists for more. I got the Slant and Paste top 100 lists through search and began looking for those, working my way through them. It wasn't long before I asked myself what order I would put them in, and I realized immediately I was going to have to come up with rules or it so quickly spirals out of control. But I had no idea what I was in for, as there were seemingly endless titles. At this point I am just shy of 800 different films, but it's not that simple. You're not always in the same frame of mind when you watch a film, nor as patient. So I had spaced viewings for anything I thought was even close to the top 100. The total viewings were in the 1200s. Every film in the top 100 I watched a minimum of 3 times, spaced. I have a giant list of every title and an excel tab with thousands upon thousands of searchable notes. My mental model was the History of Hockey board doing the top 100 players where every spot was fiercely litigated and cases made by the best argument makers. I tried to think of what the best litigators would argue before a skeptical appellate court about each film, with no allegiance to anything other than creating the best list I could make. The Paste and Slant lists are so, so bad and almost forced me to do this. But I definitely got sucked into a vastly longer project than I first anticipated.

I continually moved titles around the list and titles fell off. Agonized over inclusions and exclusions. Just did my best basically. The five sitting just outside at 101-105 are One False Move (1992), The Element of Crime (1984), Thelma & Louise (1991), Le Doulos (1962), Uptight (1968).

Haven't decided where to put the content I'll produce around it just yet. It was so much just to finish the list, you have no idea. I still have not seen every noir, although the gaps tend to be in the last 10 years like Wind River. I have that and other titles in the Unseen tab. The thing is, it could have gone on forever. There are endless noir-ish films. Better to get a draft then make adjustments as necessary.

 

[Reality Czech]

Someone on Twitter is talking about Kerber and Vitale reporting Tarasenko slamming the door, refusing to move, and him and Berube barking at each other at the end of the game.




Not sure how true it is, but the cracks are forming. Tarasenko should have been traded over the off season.

What team had the cap room and would have paid good value for Tarasenko last offseason? Vegas basically had to give away Pacioretty, and I'd say he's on a similar level as Tarasenko.

 

[Celtic Note]

What team had the cap room and would have paid good value for Tarasenko last offseason? Vegas basically had to give away Pacioretty, and I'd say he's on a similar level as Tarasenko.

Vegas was also in a position that entirely lacked leverage and everyone knew it. If Max was on the market from another team, I bet the return would have been better.

 

[Reality Czech]

Vegas was also in a position that entirely lacked leverage and everyone knew it. If Max was on the market from another team, I bet the return would have been better.

Could be part of it, but I would imagine that the flat cap and lack of cap space among contending teams was a big reason as well.

 

[TheOrganist]

Speaking for my own emotions using my own words, I experience narrowly tailored contempt but restricted exclusively to people who attack me personally, which is constant here.

When I was a 5 year old kindergartener in 6th grade class I wasn't condescending to anyone ... but I certainly was targeted. At first I tried the strategy taught to me when I was young: Jesus – turn the other check, MLK – nonviolence, Gandhi – be the change you want to see in the world, mother – be the better man. But I learned very well how useful those strategies are. They are tickets to greater abuse. They are for suckers. Peers see that and they smell even more blood. I was a really kind, nice, thoughtful kid and I loved the Blues. My existence threatened people. By the time I was taking college math while in 6th grade at Brittany in UCity I learned that turning the other cheek like Jesus to show them how unjust they were being didn't work, that simply encouraged additional physical abuse. It was so bad we moved to a new school district. At Wydown and Clayton High the abuse was constant and verbal. Once I found out about "class rank" as a concept I decided to be the valedictorian in a way that lapped the field and embarrassed them by taking an absurdly difficult schedule while doing it.

There are many counterproductive ways to respond to childhood abuse. I became a dynamic person with wide and passionate interests determined to have a well traveled life filled a duty to my fellow human to contribute my best. But the way this community is, it's impossible for there not to be so many other damaged people acting out their own abuse scenarios and thus it's impossible for someone not to attack a person who expresses a strong opinion. It's just not in this community to be better, nor is it in humanity.

I've been reading your posts for 15+ years and you are unequivocally the most fascinating person I've never met.

 

[PocketNines]

I've been reading your posts for 15+ years and you are unequivocally the most fascinating person I've never met.

Thank you, I really just wanted to provide context because the subject of my personality gets raised and litigated by others and if it's going to be discussed then I should at least have my own perception of it represented.