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Pokecheque said:
On the opposite end, I really like what Don Granato has going on in Buffalo. Those players really seem to be responding to him.
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I really hope Buffalo find some success. They have so many good pieces now, I looked at the score yesterday and was reminded that they have Krebs on top of everyone else. Having Dahlin and Power at the blue line is insane too.

More importantly, I'm sick of hearing from the local media that tanking to rebuild doesnt work. They were always using Edmonton, Buffalo and Ottawa as examples. Well, they can no longer use Edmonton (contender) and won't be able to use the latter 2 soon.
 
Balthazar said:
I really hope Buffalo find some success. They have so many good pieces now, I looked at the score yesterday and was reminded that they have Krebs on top of everyone else. Having Dahlin and Power at the blue line is insane too.

More importantly, I'm sick of hearing from the local media that tanking to rebuild doesnt work. They were always using Edmonton, Buffalo and Ottawa as examples. Well, they can no longer use Edmonton (contender) and won't be able to use the latter 2 soon.
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The Oilers didn't intentionally tank. They were just managed that poorly. Ditto the Sabres minus the one year they went hard after McDavid in 2015.

There's a difference between what Arizona/Chicago are doing now and what Edmonton/Colorado/Buffalo did by sucking out of sheer incompetence.
 
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dahrougem2 said:
The Oilers didn't intentionally tank. They were just managed that poorly. Ditto the Sabres minus the one year they went hard after McDavid in 2015.

There's a difference between what Arizona/Chicago are doing now and what Edmonton/Colorado/Buffalo did by sucking out of sheer incompetence.
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I would also point out that Pittsburg definitely tanked for Crosby, Malkin, etc...
 
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dahrougem2 said:
The Oilers didn't intentionally tank. They were just managed that poorly. Ditto the Sabres minus the one year they went hard after McDavid in 2015.

There's a difference between what Arizona/Chicago are doing now and what Edmonton/Colorado/Buffalo did by sucking out of sheer incompetence.
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What difference? It doesn't matter if you did it on purpose (which is what Buffalo and Pittsburgh did) or if it was just bad management. The only thing that counts is the elite pieces that you get through drafting high and building a core with them.
 
Balthazar said:
Not sure if serious but they tanked for Ovi and ended up with Malkin and Crosby

They are also guilty of the most notorious tank job in NHL history with the Lemieux draft.
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Pittsburgh fans are as ineligible to complain about tanking as Denver fans are about players forcing trades.
 
Balthazar said:
What difference? It doesn't matter if you did it on purpose (which is what Buffalo and Pittsburgh did) or if it was just bad management. The only thing that counts is the elite pieces that you get through drafting high and building a core with them.
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Of course it matters. You specifically mention tanking but you don't seem to know what tanking is. Just because teams are bad due to incompetence doesn't mean they are tanking.
Balthazar said:
Not sure if serious but they tanked for Ovi and ended up with Malkin and Crosby

They are also guilty of the most notorious tank job in NHL history with the Lemieux draft.
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His point stands, though. Pittsburgh didn't tank for Crosby. Every team in the league had equal odds.
 
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Balthazar said:
I really hope Buffalo find some success. They have so many good pieces now, I looked at the score yesterday and was reminded that they have Krebs on top of everyone else. Having Dahlin and Power at the blue line is insane too.

More importantly, I'm sick of hearing from the local media that tanking to rebuild doesnt work. They were always using Edmonton, Buffalo and Ottawa as examples. Well, they can no longer use Edmonton (contender) and won't be able to use the latter 2 soon.
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Buffalo intentionally started tanking in 2013-14, and burned every little twig for the 2014-15 season to get McDavid. Over a decade later and they've finally accumulated some potential, but they have to actually find some success. They are not a success story.

Edmonton just plain old sucked and had inept management, they didn't purposely try to tank.

Ottawa is the only true success story, and that's moreso because they have one of the best amateur scouting teams in the world and had a cheap owner that basically forced Karlsson/Stone out of town.
 
dahrougem2 said:
Of course it matters. You specifically mention tanking but you don't seem to know what tanking is. Just because teams are bad due to incompetence doesn't mean they are tanking.

His point stands, though. Pittsburgh didn't tank for Crosby. Every team in the league had equal odds.
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What ? No.
 
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PAZ said:
Buffalo intentionally started tanking in 2013-14, and burned every little twig for the 2014-15 season to get McDavid. Over a decade later and they've finally accumulated some potential, but they have to actually find some success. They are not a success story.
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Their 1st rebuild around Eichel failed (not unlike us with Duchene/ROR/Barrie) but it wasn't because they tanked, it was because of terrible coaches, terrible GM's and terrible ownership.

The fact is drafting high for a number of years pays off in the long run, especially in the cap era. You need to build your core through the draft and statistically the best players are much more likely to be found early in the draft.

The absolute worst thing to do is doing what the Jackets and the Wild do (and what the Habs did for 25 years).
 
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Balthazar said:
Their 1st rebuild around Eichel failed (not unlike us with Duchene/ROR/Barrie) but it wasn't because they tanked, it was because of terrible coaches, terrible GM's and terrible ownership.

The fact is drafting high for a number of years pays off in the long run, especially in the cap era. You need to build your core through the draft and statistically the best players are much more likely to be found early in the draft.

The absolute worst thing to do is doing what the Jackets and the Wild do (and what the Habs did for 25 years).
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Once you tank you completely destroy a team's identity, culture, etc. and need to rebuild that - that's arguably the second hardest hump to get over (after winning a cup) and why so many rebuilds fail. The new lottery system is also there to help dissuade completely tanking, the Rangers are a prime example of being able to rebuild quickly without going scorched earth thanks to that system.

Minny just had unfortunate timing (lul) of finding a superstar and having a bunch of young talent while simultaneously having their prime contending window taken away due to a bajillion dollars in dead cap.

There isn't one way to build a cup contender. I agree it's the highest probability of winning a cup by getting franchise talent early in the draft, but you're just as likely to have a decade of mediocrity and be in the same place as you'd be if you didn't go full scorched earth.
 
So how has Dubas improved the Laffs?

Built around their Top 10 picks and a white elephant UFA who necessitated the awful Kadri trade. Not seeing much draft success out side of their top tens.
 
Balthazar said:
Not sure if serious but they tanked for Ovi and ended up with Malkin and Crosby

They are also guilty of the most notorious tank job in NHL history with the Lemieux draft.
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Sure, they tanked for Ovi. But how does that mean they also tanked for Crosby. The Crosby draft literally had to have a lottery draft with special procedures to determine the draft order because there was no season prior to the draft. How does a team tank for a player, when there was no season to tank?
 
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