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Rumor: 2022-2022 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part 14: Sakic goes back to bed

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Balthazar said:
They flipped him a month later to Montreal.
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Calgary really wanted Toffoli and I'm gonna hazard a guess that Montreal insisted on Heinemann as the prospect in the deal or there would be no deal (my speculation).

Fwiw Yannick St. Pierre who ran the Draft Dynasty YT channel now works as a video scout for Montreal and he was absolutely infatuated by Heineman judging by his video on him, and likely played a part in that process.

Florida liked him enough to take him in the mid 2nd, then Calgary wanted him as the main piece for Bennett - which was a huge trade for them remember, so they must have liked Heineman a lot to be able to sell that trade to their fans. The fact that he got traded twice was simply a matter of circumstance and didn't mean that the selling teams didn't value him, just like how the Avs still like(s) Barron despite including him in the Lehkonen deal.

Bottom line is that that's three organisations that were clearly high on the player to insist on him being part of trades for two impact players in Bennett and Toffoli.
 
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dahrougem2 said:
That's exactly what it means in your Girard scenario.
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No, not at all. What the hell?

Giving up Girard for a guy that was traded for peanuts a year ago is buying high and bad asset management. Trading Girard for, say, Laine who had a bad year would be buying low.

If we trade for Gibson, for example, we should be buying low.
 
Richard88 said:
I saw a Florida AGM on capfriendly suggesting a Bennett - Girard swap which seems intriguing.

Bennett would probably be as close to a like-for-like as you can get with replacing Kadri and his sandpaper, and his contract is almost identical to Kadri's when he was acquired ($4.425m x 3 Vs $4.5m x 3). A 2nd line of Lehkonen-Bennett-Rantanen would be a handful to deal with, at least on paper.

Swapping Girard for Bennett to fill the 2C spot (saving $575k in cap in the process) would also leave enough capspace to easily re-sign one of Manson or Burakovsky (though you'd probably have to go with Manson after losing Girard).

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If we are trading Girard could we swing for the other Sam? I like Reinhart better, we can even throw in playoff monster JT Compher.
 
Trade Girard, Newhook, Francouz for Bennett, Knight. Resign Kuemper for only 2 years but giving him a no trade clause and 6 million. Sign Nichushkin, Lekhonen, and Nick Paul.

Landeskog (7), MacKinnon (6.3), Nichushkin (5.75)
Paul (3.8), Rantanen (9.25), Lehkonen (3.75)
Meyers (0.912), Bennett (4.4), Compher (3.5)
Cogliano (1), Helm (1), O'Connor (1)
MacDermid (0.987)

Toews (4.1), Makar (9)
Byram (0.894), EJ (6)
Edler (1.75), Manson (3.5)
JJ (1)

Kuemper (6)
Knight (0.925)

After the first year, ridding EJ and Compher's contract + 1 million cap increase, going with a 21 man roster instead of 22 should be able to pay off raises to MacKinnon, Byram, and Meyers. After the second year, Knight replaces Kuemper and the money freed up should pay off Toews' increase. There should be a big cap increase heading into 2025-2026 which hopefully will offset other future raises.
 
flyfysher said:
I know you watch the games. And I'm absolutely sure you'd agree with me that the Nuke of today, skills wise, is not the same Nuke that Sakic initially signed. Yeah, I get it if you're not an Avs fans or don't watch them. But for the GMs, they don't have that excuse. It's their job to make an accurate assessment. I'm not a hockey professional but the eye test tells me that Nuke is worth every penny above $5.5M. I mean, as an Avs fan I actually hope other teams don't pursue him but there's no doubt he's being undervalued.
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For sure but we have the luxury of watching Nuke every game for the past 3-4 years, we can make a much better assessment than someone who's been watching him for a few games here and there trying to figure out what he's all about.

I could totally see GMs of other teams wondering stuff like :
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* is his production going to continue or is it inflated because of a contract year?​
* would he fit as well on our team than he does in Colorado?​
* we don't have the same kind of players that the Avs do to surround him, how is he going to play on my team if I give him a big contract?​

I think for people who haven't been watching him closely for 3-4 years, these are tough questions and I can totally see how other GMs would be potentially a little hesitant to give him a huge $6M+ long-term contract. As Avs fans, we know that whatever line he's been on, he's made that line better and we understand his value to this team.

At the same time, I'm glad we are hearing stuff about Nuke understanding how good of a fit he is for the Avs and how a bad fit can make for a bad situation. I think that sort of thing plays in the Avs favor to bring him back.

I think for term, he's going to want 6 years and that shouldn't be an issue for the Avs. As far as the AAV, before the playoffs - I was suggesting a Soderberg-like AAV in the neighbourhood of $4.75M to $4.95M but since he's been SO good for the Avs when it matters the most, I think that went up because he'd likely have no problem getting that from another GM. I think that at around $6M AAV is where it gets a bit tough based on his past production years for other GMs - so I think you're bang-on when you suggest that the Avs and Nuke shouldn't have a problem coming together on a 6 year contract worth about $5.5M to $5.75M AAV. I think he gives the Avs potentially a bit of a discount but gets the right term for him. I say it gets done and the odds are way higher than 50%. When a team understands the value and a player wants to stay, they make it work.
 
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Bender said:
For sure but we have the luxury of watching Nuke every game for the past 3-4 years, we can make a much better assessment than someone who's been watching him for a few games here and there trying to figure out what he's all about.

I could totally see GMs of other teams wondering stuff like :
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* is his production going to continue or is it inflated because of a contract year?​
* would he fit as well on our team than he does in Colorado?​
* we don't have the same kind of players that the Avs do to surround him, how is he going to play on my team if I give him a big contract?​

I think for people who haven't been watching him closely for 3-4 years, these are tough questions and I can totally see how other GMs would be potentially a little hesitant to give him a huge $6M+ long-term contract. As Avs fans, we know that whatever line he's been on, he's made that line better and we understand his value to this team.

At the same time, I'm glad we are hearing stuff about Nuke understanding how good of a fit he is for the Avs and how a bad fit can make for a bad situation. I think that sort of thing plays in the Avs favor to bring him back.

I think for term, he's going to want 6 years and that shouldn't be an issue for the Avs. As far as the AAV, before the playoffs - I was suggesting a Soderberg-like AAV in the neighbourhood of $4.75M to $4.95M but since he's been SO good for the Avs when it matters the most, I think that went up because he'd likely have no problem getting that from another GM. I think that at around $6M AAV is where it gets a bit tough based on his past production years for other GMs - so I think you're bang-on when you suggest that the Avs and Nuke shouldn't have a problem coming together on a 6 year contract worth about $5.5M to $5.75M AAV. I think he gives the Avs potentially a bit of a discount but gets the right term for him. I say it gets done and the odds are way higher than 50%. When a team understands the value and a player wants to stay, they make it work.
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Completely agree. I actually think Nuke's contract comes in between $5.75M and $6.25M on a 6-8 year term, especially after his scoring in this PO series. If Nuke had the same offensive performance as in the earlier runs then I'd say his salary demand should be lower but you've seen what he's done this season. I would be reluctant to give Nuke a NMC because I wonder how much his body will hold up at age 34.

Given how much fit has been a very big deal in Nuke's career, I could easily see him extending with the Avs even though he might get more elsewhere (despite the rep that Russians have). His production with the Avs is arguably going to be much improved compared to elsewhere although he'd be a real catch for a team like TML.
 
Muffin said:
I think playing in that joke of a division had something to do with that as well. Not a coincidence Fleury and Grubauer were from the same divison.
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I’m just saying people shit on Gru a lot more for having a nearly identical season as Kumeper. And statistically a better playoff run as well.
 
flyfysher said:
Completely agree. I actually think Nuke's contract comes in between $5.75M and $6.25M on a 6-8 year term, especially after his scoring in this PO series. If Nuke had the same offensive performance as in the earlier runs then I'd say his salary demand should be lower but you've seen what he's done this season. I would be reluctant to give Nuke a NMC because I wonder how much his body will hold up at age 34.

Given how much fit has been a very big deal in Nuke's career, I could easily see him extending with the Avs even though he might get more elsewhere (despite the rep that Russians have). His production with the Avs is arguably going to be much improved compared to elsewhere although he'd be a real catch for a team like TML.
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What about the extra million that Jost got for playing next to Nichushkin? That extra million walking out the door due to Jost being traded should go to VN. He was the one who earned that.
 
The Abusement Park said:
I’m just saying people shit on Gru a lot more for having a nearly identical season as Kumeper. And statistically a better playoff run as well.
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It's all about the playoff wins. Grubauer was demolished after a better season because the Avs lost. Kuemper would get a lot more heat if the Avs skaters wouldn't be crushing all teams. Wouldn't say it's fair but it is what it is.
 
The Abusement Park said:
I’m just saying people shit on Gru a lot more for having a nearly identical season as Kumeper. And statistically a better playoff run as well.
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That ship sailed long ago. Grubauer is a Kraken and I now have no interest in him whatsoever. I'm into this season, not last. Let's go DK! Win the SC for Colorado!
 
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WhatsInAName said:
Trade Girard, Newhook, Francouz for Bennett, Knight. Resign Kuemper for only 2 years but giving him a no trade clause and 6 million. Sign Nichushkin, Lekhonen, and Nick Paul.

Landeskog (7), MacKinnon (6.3), Nichushkin (5.75)
Paul (3.8), Rantanen (9.25), Lehkonen (3.75)
Meyers (0.912), Bennett (4.4), Compher (3.5)
Cogliano (1), Helm (1), O'Connor (1)
MacDermid (0.987)

Toews (4.1), Makar (9)
Byram (0.894), EJ (6)
Edler (1.75), Manson (3.5)
JJ (1)

Kuemper (6)
Knight (0.925)

After the first year, ridding EJ and Compher's contract + 1 million cap increase, going with a 21 man roster instead of 22 should be able to pay off raises to MacKinnon, Byram, and Meyers. After the second year, Knight replaces Kuemper and the money freed up should pay off Toews' increase. There should be a big cap increase heading into 2025-2026 which hopefully will offset other future raises.
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IMO, Lehkonen/Nichushkin together will cost $1M-1.5M more than what you have listed there.
 
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Husso is the guy I target in Free Agency IMO.


I think he's still unproven enough that he wont get big starter money. That money will go to Kuemper, Fleury, and Campbell, while other teams will look at Varly in trade and possibly Bobrovsky at 5M.

I think you can probably get Husso on a 2 year deal in the neighborhood of $4M. I'd much rather go that route and run a tandem with him and Frankie... Over having to give Darcy 5.5+ and on a 4 year deal.

I also think Husso is a legitimately good goalie. He put up great numbers in the regular season... He got abused by us in the 2nd round, but he also did have a really good game 6 ultimately, and we're also just abusing every goalie we face.

Plus it'd be another Finn on the team, we're having success bringing Finn's here, might as well keep doing it.
 
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Bender said:
For sure but we have the luxury of watching Nuke every game for the past 3-4 years, we can make a much better assessment than someone who's been watching him for a few games here and there trying to figure out what he's all about.

I could totally see GMs of other teams wondering stuff like :
​
* is his production going to continue or is it inflated because of a contract year?​
* would he fit as well on our team than he does in Colorado?​
* we don't have the same kind of players that the Avs do to surround him, how is he going to play on my team if I give him a big contract?​

I think for people who haven't been watching him closely for 3-4 years, these are tough questions and I can totally see how other GMs would be potentially a little hesitant to give him a huge $6M+ long-term contract. As Avs fans, we know that whatever line he's been on, he's made that line better and we understand his value to this team.

At the same time, I'm glad we are hearing stuff about Nuke understanding how good of a fit he is for the Avs and how a bad fit can make for a bad situation. I think that sort of thing plays in the Avs favor to bring him back.

I think for term, he's going to want 6 years and that shouldn't be an issue for the Avs. As far as the AAV, before the playoffs - I was suggesting a Soderberg-like AAV in the neighbourhood of $4.75M to $4.95M but since he's been SO good for the Avs when it matters the most, I think that went up because he'd likely have no problem getting that from another GM. I think that at around $6M AAV is where it gets a bit tough based on his past production years for other GMs - so I think you're bang-on when you suggest that the Avs and Nuke shouldn't have a problem coming together on a 6 year contract worth about $5.5M to $5.75M AAV. I think he gives the Avs potentially a bit of a discount but gets the right term for him. I say it gets done and the odds are way higher than 50%. When a team understands the value and a player wants to stay, they make it work.
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GM's are also going to be wary of how poorly players who have left Colorado recently have faired on other teams, most notably Donskoi and Grubauer. Donskoi scored at an alarmingly bad rate this year after being a 50 point forward in Colorado last year. It's possible that plays into GM's minds when considering if Nichuskin can replicate his production elsewhere.
 
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ABasin said:
IMO, Lehkonen/Nichushkin together will cost $1M-1.5M more than what you have listed there.
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I think Nuke is right on point but I could see Lekhonen costing as much as $4M-$4.5M AAV per season. The Avs would be smart to do it though - especially for 5+ years if they can.
 
Bender said:
I think Nuke is right on point but I could see Lekhonen costing as much as $4M-$4.5M AAV per season. The Avs would be smart to do it though - especially for 5+ years if they can.
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I think Nichushkin will be closer to $6.5M than $5.5M.

And Lehkonen will be closer to $5M than $4M.
 
WAS' GM also said he would be addressing goaltending this summer so it looks like one of Samsonov or Vanecek will be available. I still prefer going after Husso as he wouldn't cost any assets except cap and he would be cheaper than Kuemper.
 
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