Proposal: 2022 1st Overall for Matthew Tkachuk
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It wouldn’t interest whoever is picking #1. The value of Shane Wright on ELC for three years greatly outweighs tkachuk plus the many years of team control and positional value ( c vs winger)
Any smart team would make it a protected first rounder to avoid that sort of issue.
Tkachuk Norris
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saying Matthew Tkachuk is worth a protected first rounder is the most HF thing ever.
He clearly states 1st Oa pick in the title.
Tkatchuk isn't worth a top5 pick, he's a UFA at the end kf his contract and will be looking ar a BIG payday.
Tkachuk Norris
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only on HF does the first overall have more value than a guy on pace for almost 100 points
Saying he's worth a top5 pick is judt as laughable. He's a UFA after next yearsaying Matthew Tkachuk is worth a protected first rounder is the most HF thing ever.
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I'm sure Montreal, Arizona, Buffalo, Ottawa and Seattle are all dying to win the lotto to draft 1st ov and trade the chance at Shane Wright for Matt Tkachuk and his 7+ million qualifying offer.
2015-2019
A // McDavid, Eichel, Matthews, Heiskanen, Makar, Petterson, Dahlin, Svechnikov, J Hughes
B // Marner, Hanifin, Laine, Dubois, Hischier
C // Strome, Puljujarvi, Juolevi, Patrick, Hayton, Kotkaniemi, Kakko, Dach, Byram, Turcotte
A group is worth more than Matthew Tkachuk. B group is worth about the same. C group is worth less. So ... yeah, I'd say Matt Tkachuk is exactly worth a typical 3OA or 5 OA pick.
… with an extension. A top 5 pick to rent him for a year is bad idea.
Fistfullofbeer
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Yep. I don't think there is a guarantee that any player in this draft is going to better than Matthew Thachuk. That being said, I wouldn't trade the 1OA pick if Kraken end up with it. Or even a top-5 pick for that matter. Most teams picking that high are more than a Matthew Tkachuk away from being competitive. The Kraken most certainly are. And it's better to have a cost controlled player while the team improves over the next few seasons.
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So if the Flames had the 1st overall pick, you'd trade it for Nazem Kadri?
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The premise behind having a 1st overall pick is your team is brutal with holes everywhere. The plus' of drafting at 1OA means you get the pick of the best young talent in the world and have them under team control at cost-friendly rates for several years.
Trading for Tkachuk is a win-now move OR a move with the guise that this season was an outlier due to injuries, suspensions, etc and the team will do a complete 180 next season.
I don't think anyone in the top 5 is remotely close to competing in the next 2 years with Tkachuk on the roster. Nor do they provide situations that would be attractive for Tkachuk as a FA to sign longterm necessarily. Therefore it wouldn't make sense for the team trading away the 1OA strictly from a franchise/roster building perspective. It has nothing to do with whether Tkachuk is/will/won't be better than whoever they pick.
Trading for Tkachuk is a win-now move OR a move with the guise that this season was an outlier due to injuries, suspensions, etc and the team will do a complete 180 next season.
I don't think anyone in the top 5 is remotely close to competing in the next 2 years with Tkachuk on the roster. Nor do they provide situations that would be attractive for Tkachuk as a FA to sign longterm necessarily. Therefore it wouldn't make sense for the team trading away the 1OA strictly from a franchise/roster building perspective. It has nothing to do with whether Tkachuk is/will/won't be better than whoever they pick.
Djp
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As the Canucks will never win the lottery (I think we could hold every single one of the 16 lottery picks, and still lose the lottery), I'd be willing to trade what ever the highest pick we get is this year for Tkachuk.
So I'm not saying protected, but yeah, it might as well be.
So I'm not saying protected, but yeah, it might as well be.
Tkachuk is significantly better than Petterson, Hughes and Dahlin. He's comparable to Eichel and Svechnikov.
Hanifin and Hischier aren't even remotely comparable. Hanifin is the 4th or 5th best defenseman for the Flames.
One player is a UFA the other isn't. Not comparable. I wouldn't trade 1OA for Tkachuk but some of the comparisons being drawn here are pretty ridiculous.
Masked
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It's not just HF. Anywhere that common sense prevails would understand that a rebuilding team would value a first overall pick over a single season for a winger getting paid about $9M.
Assen na yo!
I won't waste my time with the rest of this statement, but not according to points per game, any posession metrics, give aways vs. takeaways, blocked shots, time on ice, powerplay time and ppg, short handed time, faceoffs (Pettersson playing the more important center position and all), Calder, and oddly Byng, votes, and playoff performances.
Tkachuk wins in total points (due to having 2 years and 181 games more in his career) and hits, which he nails Pettersson and probably most players in.
Would love Tkachuk on the Canucks, but let's not get things twisted here.
Lots false with this post. Tkachuk has vastly better possession numbers than EP. It's not even close. He's 3rd in the NHL since he came into the league.
Corsi or Fenwick? Doesn't matter if we look at career numbers, like with all other stats.
Here:
Elias Pettersson Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Matthew Tkachuk Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Tkachuk is third in what, exactly? What measurable stat are we comparing here?
And what else is false?
Did you not look at the stats you just posted? Add in that EP faces significantly worse competition and has better zone starts and it becomes pretty obvious who the better possession player is.
EP also averages significantly less points per season. You make out like he's outproduced Tkachuk other than years played. He hasn't.
