Prospect Info: 2022 - 1st OA] Juraj Slafkovsky (LW) Part 4

[PhysicX]

I watched a snippet and he was saying his opinion as far as I know.

Although it was just snippet, perhaps I missed the context.

Well perhaps you're in the wrong league? You've already represented your country, at every level of international play.

Today you're a Montreal Canadiens player and you're contracted to the Montreal Canadiens and you're a part of the team and lineup every night.

I don't know what else to say lol if playing for Slovakia was your ultimately goal this season, perhaps you shouldn't have signed your ELC?


Are you referring to when Lindros said he didn't want to play for the Quebec Nordiques?

Let's just ignore the completely different situations/contexts.

But exceptions, don't make rules.

He's already played in a WJC, he's an NHL player trying to establish himself.

I swear this more of an issue for us, then it is him or anyone in the organization.

Perhaps, I know my place in the league, and I understand I am under contract for x amount of seasons.

Perhaps, I also know if my desire to represent my country at all levels isn't respected, than I may jump ship at the earliest possible moment.

 

[417]

Perhaps, I know my place in the league, and I understand I am under contract for x amount of seasons.

Perhaps, I also know if my desire to represent my country at all levels isn't respected, than I may jump ship at the earliest possible moment.

You've already represented your country, several times I might add, and you will again in May when it's the World Championships and any future Olympics.

Also, jumping ship is certainly your prerogative in about 6 years from now when you're a unrestricted free agent and you can decide where you want to play.

 

[PhysicX]

You've already represented your country, several times I might add, and you will again in May when it's the World Championships and any future Olympics.

Also, jumping ship is certainly your prerogative in about 6 years from now when you're a unrestricted free agent and you can decide where you want to play.

Would it not be possible for him to sign an offer-sheet, if obviously offered one, after his first contract? Thinking out-loud here, as I do not know the answer.

 

[417]

Would it not be possible for him to sign an offer-sheet, if obviously offered one, after his first contract? Thinking out-loud here, as I do not know the answer.

If he can/wants to sign an offer sheet because the Montreal Canadiens, the team that drafted him and signed him to his ELC, and did nothing but enforce their collectively bargained rights by “forcing” him to play in the NHL.

Then more power to him!

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

No rational hockey player would rather go represent their country at a world Junior than play in the NHL. Let's say Guhle was still eligible to play on team Canada and they went to him and wanted him to play as their no.1 D. I'd expect him to tell them to politely screw off. No regular NHL player cares enough about the world Juniors to leave their team and play against a bunch of kids...unless they're dumb

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

No rational hockey player would rather go represent their country at a world Junior than play in the NHL. Let's say Guhle was still eligible to play on team Canada and they went to him and wanted him to play as their no.1 D. I'd expect him to tell them to politely screw off. No regular NHL player cares enough about the world Juniors to leave their team and play against a bunch of kids...unless they're dumb

Especially when Slaf has already represented them successfully on the men's team PLUS brought home some sweet hardware

 

[BehindTheTimes]

No rational hockey player would rather go represent their country at a world Junior than play in the NHL. Let's say Guhle was still eligible to play on team Canada and they went to him and wanted him to play as their no.1 D. I'd expect him to tell them to politely screw off. No regular NHL player cares enough about the world Juniors to leave their team and play against a bunch of kids...unless they're dumb

Dumb, or Max PatioReady, this seems like something he'd be fine with.

 

[JoelWarlord]

Honestly, if I am Slafkovsky, want to represent my world juniors team, and the manager doesn't allow me to go, you better believe this will have repercussions on my relationship with the org and manager.

If this tournament was so important, he was free to stay in Finland on a 60k salary and go to the world juniors. Instead, he chose not to sign an NHL contract that includes a $95,000 signing bonus, $855,000 salary, and up to $3,500,000 in performance bonuses, so tough shit.

The Canadiens pay Slafkovsky $5500 per day in the NHL, and the tournament ends on January 5th. By staying on the NHL roster from today until the end of the tournament instead of being loaned to the Slovakian junior team, Slafkovsky will earn just over $154,000 he would otherwise not receive if he went to the world juniors. I think 150 grand should be sufficient for his pain and suffering.

If he is genuinely so upset about not getting loaned to the world juniors that he will hold a grudge in contract talks 3 or 6 or 8 years from now, then I don't want him on the team in the first place. That's absolute baby shit. Thankfully, I don't buy for a single second that this would be the case or that he would be upset about staying in the best league in the world instead of going to the world juniors.

 

[Kennerback]

From a team’s perspective you don’t send regulars. Wright makes sense, Guenther is a pure blatant act of tanking.

 

[417]

If this tournament was so important, he was free to stay in Finland on a 60k salary and go to the world juniors. Instead, he chose not to sign an NHL contract that includes a $95,000 signing bonus, $855,000 salary, and up to $3,500,000 in performance bonuses, so tough shit.

The Canadiens pay Slafkovsky $5500 per day in the NHL, and the tournament ends on January 5th. By staying on the NHL roster from today until the end of the tournament instead of being loaned to the Slovakian junior team, Slafkovsky will earn just over $154,000 he would otherwise not receive if he went to the world juniors. I think 150 grand should be sufficient for his pain and suffering.

If he is genuinely so upset about not getting loaned to the world juniors that he will hold a grudge in contract talks 3 or 6 or 8 years from now, then I don't want him on the team in the first place. That's absolute baby shit. Thankfully, I don't buy for a single second that this would be the case or that he would be upset about staying in the best league in the world instead of going to the world juniors.

I find the idea he'd hold a grudge against the organization because they want him to fulfill his contractual obligations, kind of silly.

 

[BaseballCoach]

If this tournament was so important, he was free to stay in Finland on a 60k salary and go to the world juniors. Instead, he chose not to sign an NHL contract that includes a $95,000 signing bonus, $855,000 salary, and up to $3,500,000 in performance bonuses, so tough shit.

The Canadiens pay Slafkovsky $5500 per day in the NHL, and the tournament ends on January 5th. By staying on the NHL roster from today until the end of the tournament instead of being loaned to the Slovakian junior team, Slafkovsky will earn just over $154,000 he would otherwise not receive if he went to the world juniors. I think 150 grand should be sufficient for his pain and suffering.

If he is genuinely so upset about not getting loaned to the world juniors that he will hold a grudge in contract talks 3 or 6 or 8 years from now, then I don't want him on the team in the first place. That's absolute baby shit. Thankfully, I don't buy for a single second that this would be the case or that he would be upset about staying in the best league in the world instead of going to the world juniors.

Imagine graduating high school early, having already gone to the Senior Prom as a Junior. Now a year later, you want the university you are attending to give you an exemption from classwork, homework, tests and assignments for a while so you can go back to high school and either (you pick) attend another prom or maybe represent the school at the State math exhibition.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

From a team’s perspective you don’t send regulars. Wright makes sense, Guenther is a pure blatant act of tanking.

Disagree, case by case. Sometimes playing a more prominent role on your jr team may be a getter opportunity for the player than NHL reps in a less prominent role.

TBH I would be fine even If we loaned Slaf.

 

[Tyson]

I am OK either way with Slaf attending the WJC. With all of the current injuries however I doubt very seriously that he is allowed to go.

 

[Runner77]

Kid got hit by a TRUCK. Thing of beauty glad he's ok

He needs to heed the advice that the mobster sidekick gave in the first Rocky movie.

In that early scene where the local mobster and his sidekick are in a car, as they approach Rocky, who looks worn down. The sidekick snaps to Rocky, “Did you get the licence number?” Rocky doesn’t get the question.

So the sidekick completes the question with “of the truck that ran over your face.”

Slaf needs to collect licence numbers cause big bodied or not, they’re gunning for him and as he gets to know the league, certain players who’ll target him, will remain true to their reputation.

 

[Runner77]

This might be controversial, but I'm starting to wonder if Slaf is actually legit stupid. That skating behind the net while not keeping his head up or paying attention yesterday was so dumb I'm actually starting to question his regular IQ and not just his hockey IQ.

I’m splitting a gut. Post of the thread.

 

[JoelWarlord]

I find the idea he'd hold a grudge against the organization because they want him to fulfill his contractual obligations, kind of silly.

Yeah me too, I think it's completely ludicrous on its face and would be genuinely shocked to learn if he was actually upset about staying in the NHL.

 

[Shabs]

Before yesterday's practice, Slaf was on the ice with Adam Nicholas doing drills on keeping his head up.

I remember in my first year of contact, we did a drill that I'd done a million times before - full ice 1-on-1: you get the puck in the corner at one end skate toward the opposite goal. The D comes out around the first blue line and starts backing up. Usually, you don't get close to the D until near the other blue line - so I didn't bother even looking up until then - just head down and full speed and then look up at the second blue line. But the coach told the D to stop at the red line and I got creamed. I learned early to keep my head up.

 

[jrom]

I’m splitting a gut. Post of the thread.

Yeah the guy is able to go live by himself in another country at 15, speaks Slovakian, decent English and some Finnish but he’s stupid.

 

[Rockomax]

- Why not? It won't hurt
- Give him the opportunity to represent his country
- Give him the opportunity to play with his buddy Mesar and other Slovak friends
- Let him become a leader on Slovakia
- Let him have fun

All reasons i've seen mentioned on here and twitter...none of which benefit or explain how it will benefit the player and organization.

It could hurt though, especially if he has a bad tournament for any reason.

 

[jrom]

Gotta love his attitude

Canadiens : Juraj Slafkovsky laisse miroiter qu'il préfèrerait le CH au Mondial junior | RDS

Tandis que Filip Mesar et Simon Nemec iront représenter la Slovaquie, Slafkovsky semble en voie de rester avec le CH.

www.rds.ca

On what would be his 3rd WJC

« Personne ne m'a parlé du tournoi. Je présume qu'on m'aurait dit quelque chose si je devais y aller. J'ai lu quelque part que les dirigeants n'auraient pas encore pris leur décision finale », a-t-il confié.
« Demandez-leur et je pourrai le lire ensuite sur Twitter », a rigolé le grand ailier.

« Ce serait plus une façon d'ajouter de la confiance, mais je trouve que je deviens plus confiant graduellement. C'est peut-être encore mieux de gagner ma confiance dans la LNH que d'aller là-bas et revenir ici ensuite », a-t-il réfléchi à haute voix

On Wright’s goal

« C'est bien qu'il ait marqué son premier but et c'est un peu amusant que ce soit arrivé contre nous. Je devais récolter des points après son but sinon j'aurais été le plus gros bust », a conclu Slafkovsky, en riant

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

No rational hockey player would rather go represent their country at a world Junior than play in the NHL. Let's say Guhle was still eligible to play on team Canada and they went to him and wanted him to play as their no.1 D. I'd expect him to tell them to politely screw off. No regular NHL player cares enough about the world Juniors to leave their team and play against a bunch of kids...unless they're dumb

So Dach is irrational then???
In any event I highly doubt Slafkovsky would want to go to the WJC and potentially lose his spot on the Habs.

 

[Heffyhoof]

I generally don’t care about pretty passes but if the player’s biggest flaw is his inability to make productive plays it’s obvious that it will be the focus of the analysis.

I don’t need to focus on developed and established NHL players because we generally have an idea what they are and of what they’re capable.

The debate around Slaf is two-fold: whether he was the right choice (this topic is settled and shouldn’t be reopened for a few years) and whether his development is coming along properly.

For the latter topic, it’s clear that I believe currently he is not capable of making productive plays so, naturally, I don’t consider touches on rolling pucks to be all that impressive in the big picture (however — the user above FF de Mars made a good point about that and I’ve acknowledged it).

Otherwise, following productive discussion with two other users yesterday, I’ve been convinced that my expectations for Slaf were too high and also too critical so now I turn it back on you guys: without rosy glasses, what do you think you want to see from Slaf to be satisfied that he is on the right track?

These goalposts are moving as fast as you can type!

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

So Dach is irrational then???
In any event I highly doubt Slafkovsky would want to go to the WJC and potentially lose his spot on the Habs.

Don't even get me started with Dachs development in Chicago lol. His handling should not be used as an example

 

[Twisted Sinister]

I’m splitting a gut. Post of the thread.

I get Balki from Perfect Strangers vibes from him. Seriously.

 

[Adam Michaels]

It won't.. it will just make fans feel better because all they can comprehend is crooked numbers on a eliteprospects page.

Exactly. Kid is in the right place.

I have no problem if Habs send him. But the majority of the fans who want him to go just want to satiate their own satisfaction.