Prospect Info: [2022 - 1st OA] Juraj Slafkovsky (LW) Part 2

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2 meaningless preseason games where he played with average to mediocre line mates and some people are already turning on him.

Completely crazy and after that we wonder why no one wants to come play here…

Hughes, Lafreniere, Power, Ekblad were all average to mediocre in their first seasons ( hell power didn’t even play) but two of them have figured it out and are now stars in this league.

He is a freak of nature of 6.4 240 lbs with skills but let’s not forget he is 18 years old and never played in North America before.

Completely crazy even Hedman and Stamkos were hot garbage in their first season but it seems people just have short term memory’s.

If In 2 years he is still not producing at an acceptable level in the nhl I will call him a bust, until then I will let him develop.
 
2 meaningless preseason games where he played with average to mediocre line mates and some people are already turning on him.

Completely crazy and after that we wonder why no one wants to come play here…

Hughes, Lafreniere, Power, Ekblad were all average to mediocre in their first seasons ( hell power didn’t even play) but two of them have figured it out and are now stars in this league.

He is a freak of nature of 6.4 240 lbs with skills but let’s not forget he is 18 years old and never played in North America before.

Completely crazy even Hedman and Stamkos were hot garbage in their first season but it seems people just have short term memory’s.

If In 2 years he is still not producing at an acceptable level in the nhl I will call him a bust, until then I will let him develop.
Eh, Hughes and Stamkos were certainly not hot garbage lol
 
How many times will we have to read those dumb, ridiculous takes on Slafkovsky’s play or even career trajectory by people who will never like him anyway because the habs didn’t draft their golden boy, before we can call you guys out?

You guys can literally sh*t on the kid for pre-season games but we should shut up and say nothing?

Always the same people who pollute the threads with negativity all the time.
-I'm going to say that when people start to attack other people (and I usually see the "positive" people do this) rather than ideas, it's usually because there isn't a very good argument to back up what they're saying, so they go ad hominem. Some do have good arguments of course, but there's definitely a toxic element that puts on their rose colored glasses and craps on anyone who call anything into question. And they were doing that in all previous eras too, when we legit sucked as an organization.

-I'm not going to say that people that go ad hominem are garbage human beings or anything (though that's usually my first angry thought on the matter), but I will say they're probably attaching their own identity to a hockey team, and they may feel under attack. Kind of like how some people attach their identities to ideas or ideology and feel attacked when someone criticizes that.

-The Habs have sucked forever. This organization has been run like gutter sewage for near 30 years. Even when we've been ok we've still been behind the rest of the league in management talent, on-ice talent, and everything else.

People want competence, and they're seeing some of the mistakes from new management that they saw in the past, so they'll be antsy. Why didn't you draft the high IQ center instead of the low IQ big winger (I know, I know, he cooks for himself and he's funny)? Hockey IQ is the hardest thing to teach.

When we see a team of our best prospects not try for 60 minutes when their careers hang in the balance, that's concerning. When we see Burrows still running the power play, that's concerning. When we see Lapointe still as co-head of scouting, that's concerning. I personally feel like Molson still has his tendrils in things and he wants them to start selling sell beers in playoff games ASAP.

So debate the ideas, but chill with the "imbeciles and idiots" here. We're all habfans here, and we're all allowed to discuss the team from our own perpective.
 
-I'm going to say that when people start to attack other people (and I usually see the "positive" people do this) rather than ideas, it's usually because there isn't a very good argument to back up what they're saying, so they go ad hominem. Some do have good arguments of course, but there's definitely a toxic element that puts on their rose colored glasses and craps on anyone who call anything into question. And they were doing that in all previous eras too, when we legit sucked as an organization.

-I'm not going to say that people that go ad hominem are garbage human beings or anything (though that's usually my first angry thought on the matter), but I will say they're probably attaching their own identity to a hockey team, and they may feel under attack. Kind of like how some people attach their identities to ideas or ideology and feel attacked when someone criticizes that.

-The Habs have sucked forever. This organization has been run like gutter sewage for near 30 years. Even when we've been ok we've still been behind the rest of the league in management talent, on-ice talent, and everything else.

People want competence, and they're seeing some of the mistakes from new management that they saw in the past, so they'll be antsy. Why didn't you draft the high IQ center instead of the low IQ big winger (I know, I know, he cooks for himself and he's funny)? Hockey IQ is the hardest thing to teach.

When we see a team of our best prospects not try for 60 minutes when their careers hang in the balance, that's concerning. When we see Burrows still running the power play, that's concerning. When we see Lapointe still as co-head of scouting, that's concerning. I personally feel like Molson still has his tendrils in things and he wants them to start selling sell beers in playoff games ASAP.

So debate the ideas, but chill with the "imbeciles and idiots" here. We're all habfans here, and we're all allowed to discuss the team from our own perpective.
i agree with everything you said

Just wanted to add that i have started seing glimpses of Ducharme in MSL during the last post game presser. He can't lose his cool after a pre-season loss in front of the media. I don't know it just seemed a bit off to me.
 
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Geez… can the habs actually give back the #1 pick so a more deserving fan base can have him.

My god, this is brutal.

We don’t deserve Slafkovsky, at all.
Why are you overreacting? We're aloud to give our opinions. This is a hockey discussion board, we're here to talk about hockey and have fun.

God forbid we don't like what we see and god forbid we offer ideas that we think might be beneficial.

Like whats your end goal here? You want to force push Slaf into the first line so he can become a liability? You want to burn him?

Get a clue man, there's no point in having him on the 4th line, he needs to perfect his art and play and study the game of hockey. As of right now the only league suited for him is the OHL, he will struggle to assert his dominance as a first liner in the AHL. Slaf is a project we have to accept it.

He's not bad, far from it but he needs time to develop.
 
Oh, I definitely was listening to the pre draft talk.

I have no opinions on slaf, Cooley, or Wright yet, but I'm just a little numb to the whole "have patience" thing. I haven't really seen it play out in a positive way yet.

All of our impact players (price, subban, caufield, Suzuki, even Gallagher) made an impact and impression during their first dozen games.

Again, no judgment yet, but forgive me for being cautiously pessimistic with the patience thing and highly rated prospects
You and @Twisted Sinister said it like it is.

Toxic-positivity and giving the haha-react to anyone they disagree with is getting really tedious. It probably only encourages more vitriol. Why can’t Habs fans have some humour about this situation?

No one should expect the moon from Slafkovsky but he should sparkle and shine a little bit — he played against men at the Olys and Worlds and he’s built like a truck so it’s not like there are many excuses on the physicality front. The “he’s only 18” bit is such a dead horse after Galchenyuk and Kotkaniemi and Drouin.

On the other hand maybe he is a slow starter and will quickly get better as this week progresses.

Slaf’s issue was always his “rawness” and, in specific, his Hockey IQ.

So let’s be constructive: What’s the best way to develop Hockey IQ? :sarcasm:
 
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Surely there's a middle ground between the folks that are saying "there's nothing wrong with him, give him some time" and "we f***ed up in drafting him" (paraphrased)

He definitely lacks positional awareness and sometimes hockey IQ but it's also way too early to say we messed up in picking him or he won't be effective.

I trust the habs management will develop him in the best league for him, whether it's in the NHL (hopefully not), the AHL or OHL. Not every 1st overall is representative of their D+1 season, i don't need to give examples of players here because we all know them so let's just hit the brakes with hot takes one way or the other.
 
Slaf...did they watch his regular season games before drafting him? He's lost. Has no clue what to do with himself. He has no hockey sense other the passing the puck quickly, into low percentage moves.

He needs a top notch center to help him out. Hope Monahan is playing and in a teaching mood. That's if he stays up, which at this point is zero chance.

Severely under-impressed from what I see...so far.

Repeat..so far.
 
To add, people saying he doesn’t look good so far or his performances so far justifies my prior impression/take shouldn’t be treated like they’re calling him a bust either. I feel like I’m in the latter group, I don’t care how he looks in these meaningless showings but on the whole he hasn’t changed my mind or impression of his profile.

Nobody sane would call a prospect a bust this early and anybody who would make such a claim doesn’t deserve to be listened to so everybody can kindly ignore those individuals.
 
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Slaf...did they watch his regular season games before drafting him? He's lost. Has no clue what to do with himself. He has no hockey sense other the passing the puck quickly, into low percentage moves.
I didn’t watch any of his games but I repeatedly asked what was going on in Liiga that was so suppressive to his numbers and productivity. The best answer I got was that his team was very defensive and he wasn’t given great TOI, but that some Liiga fans were enthralled with him nonetheless. After the Olys he played on a higher line and scored more, to finish the season at 10pts. In the playoffs he put up 7pts in 18 games.

Head Scout Bobrov felt like this was good enough. Take it up with him.

Send him to the OHL and let’s see him put up 120 points on the smaller rink.

Then one full year in the AHL.

Then NHL.
If the options are: OHL, Liiga, AHL, and NHL

I think OHL would be the worst one, he’s way too big and strong and is liable to just plow through the league and never learn to play with intelligence. I personally vote for Liiga but there is upside to having him in the AHL too.

Wherever he goes he has to put up points, by hook or by crook. A big beautiful unicorn who can’t stack points is ultimately useless.
 
If the options are: OHL, Liiga, AHL, and NHL

I think OHL would be the worst one, he’s way too big and strong and is liable to just plow through the league and never learn to play with intelligence. I personally vote for Liiga but there is upside to having him in the AHL too.

Wherever he goes he has to put up points, by hook or by crook. A big beautiful unicorn who can’t stack points is ultimately useless.
I donno I thought maybe he could learn how to play North American style hockey in the OHL and learn how to dominate under way less pressure and spotlight.
 
You and @Twisted Sinister
So let’s be constructive: What’s the best way to develop Hockey IQ? :sarcasm:
There are many ways. Mostly off ice session of video analysis, working on positioning and simplifying decision to automate decision making and help develop chemistry with teammates. The famous "hockey sense" is harder to teach but even this can be done by understanding where are the most dangerous zone on the ice and how to properly exploit them to create scoring chances with timing and proper reaction.

Slafkovsky has a lot to learn and process but it's doable.
 
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Send him to the OHL and let’s see him put up 120 points on the smaller rink.

Then one full year in the AHL.

Then NHL.

I'd be ok with that path, or even straight to the AHL for a couple years, HuGo appear to be a patient group so hopefully they show it with Slaf.

It's not always a race to the NHL and I know this is sometimes divisive opinion but the NHL isn't a development league (especially for an 18 year old imo). I think it can be a development league for certain players or in certain situations (i.e. where a player is stuck between the OHL and the NHL with no AHL option), but based on the 4 or so games he's had, I think he would develop better in the OHL/AHL.

That being said, he still has more games ahead of him including potentially 9 regular season games, so let's see where that takes us.
 
I'd be ok with that path, or even straight to the AHL for a couple years, HuGo appear to be a patient group so hopefully they show it with Slaf.

It's not always a race to the NHL and I know this is sometimes divisive opinion but the NHL isn't a development league (especially for an 18 year old imo). I think it can be a development league for certain players or in certain situations (i.e. where a player is stuck between the OHL and the NHL with no AHL option), but based on the 4 or so games he's had, I think he would develop better in the OHL/AHL.

That being said, he still has more games ahead of him including potentially 9 regular season games, so let's see where that takes us.
Personally I wouldn’t even give him the 9 games and I would burry him in the OHL asap. I wouldn’t even want him in the AHL because there would be pressure to call him up. I would just like for him to have a full year of completely dominant North American hockey. He’s only 18.
 
Geez… can the habs actually give back the #1 pick so a more deserving fan base can have him.

My god, this is brutal.

We don’t deserve Slafkovsky, at all.

If as soon as some fans doubt the abilities of a prospect they don't deserve a player, then no organization has never deserved any player ever.

Let's stop with this emotional posturing for one moment and have a look at what he actually does on the ice.

I think in this discussion and on this forum in general we would benefit of a bit more structure such as :
- ex ante expectations
- observations
- way to go

We can all have different expectations and opinions about the best way to develop him. However, if we try to remain objective, our observations should be very close.
 
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To add, people saying he doesn’t look good so far or his performances so far justifies my prior impression/take shouldn’t be treated like they’re calling him a bust either. I feel like I’m in the latter group, I don’t care how he looks in these meaningless showings but on the whole he hasn’t changed my mind or impression of his profile.

Nobody sane would call a prospect a bust this early and anybody who would make such a claim doesn’t deserve to be listened to so everybody can kindly ignore those individuals.
So what are you saying? What's the message you're trying to communicate?

You make 50 posts a day about him with absolutely no content!

Do you want to tell us once again that he's not impressing you?

We all got the message...
 
So what are you saying? What's the message you're trying to communicate?

You make 50 posts a day about him with absolutely no content!

Do you want to tell us once again that he's not impressing you?

We all got the message...
Don’t be unfair. It takes two to tango and I’m far from being the only person to discuss the most important draft choice in modern Habs history. I’ve recently found the ignore list function and I’ve only used it sporadically but if you want you can add me to yours.

@RationalExpectations said it best, we can discuss our ongoing observations without much ire and angst if everybody agrees not to take things personally.
 
I wouldn't be too worried if Slaf isn't NHL ready just yet. He's exactly the type of big kid who's used to being able to just outmuscle everybody and it takes time to adjust his game but the tools are definitely there. I don't think he'll be a superstar and it's kind of unfortunate for him that as a 1st overall pick for a passionate fanbase that's what his expectation will be. But there's no doubt he'll be a very good player for us if he and the management just have the patience. The lack of that is what failed Kotkaniemi.
 
I don't know why some posters are upset that some people in here think Slaf is meh since the first 2 games.

Let's not forget that beyond 60% of this board went apeshit after Hugues picked him (Including me) and have the Bell center was half silent.

His numbers arent that good except for his.... olympic tournament. Alot of people in this thread said it was a major mistake to draft him.

I also understand that's only 2 games where he played with beyond average or non existent nhler. I think everyone understand that. He should be better than that and atleast be more visible against mostly rookies against rookies in this early preseason.

Some people don't see it (So do I).

Some people are picking over people because they have different opinions about him who are not ultra positive.

People in Montreal are critical and always been. He was all smiled up and riled up to be drafted in this city , then he better equip his sealbeat because people here reacts to performance unlike other cities.

Atleast 2-3 Media are already on his case , yes after 2 preseason games.
 
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