WJC: 2021 Russia Roster Talk

[Atas2000]

Very good squad

If only... I'd prefer proper centers and D.

 

[SoundAndFury]

Also since the 70s there always were finnish sticks to be had. The SU had various trade agreements with Finnland, so we had a lot of finnish stuff, including hockey sticks

Maybe it was the case where you grew up, my father tells entirely different stories.

Also, calling the shortage of anything in the Soviet Union "utter nonsense" is crazy. You can blindly point at anything and it was probably a deficit product sometime someplace in that glorious country. Arguing it was flush of hockey equipment... Come on.

 

[OiledUp]

As mentioned the righty/lefty thing is mainly due to the fact the majority of people are right handed and when you pick up a stick it's easier to start playing with your dominant hand on top. This isn't a russian thing. It's the same in Sweden. We've had entire rosters with only lefties.

In north america it's a bit more common with players playing with their non-dominant hand on top than in europe, my guess is that it's partly due the baseball culture and how you usually hold a baseball bat, and thus a more even distribution of handedness. Though obviously still more lefties in NA as well.

 

[Ginger Papa]

To pivot away from the politics and demographics over the past 50 + years of your proud country, as a fan of Hockey I’m excited about many of the players you’re producing.

I admit that I am sometimes confused with the development path that your country uses, but just because it’s different from what I’m familiar with doesn’t make it wrong.

Please continue educating us in the West on these differences. Yes, there are times when we in the West could pose our concerns/questions more tactfully.

I look forward to learning more about your young talent and development program.

 

[Statsy]

To pivot away from the politics and demographics over the past 50 + years of your proud country, as a fan of Hockey I’m excited about many of the players you’re producing.

I admit that I am sometimes confused with the development path that your country uses, but just because it’s different from what I’m familiar with doesn’t make it wrong.

Please continue educating us in the West on these differences. Yes, there are times when we in the West could pose our concerns/questions more tactfully.

I look forward to learning more about your young talent and development program.
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You’re the nicest guy on this board, GP. If there were more people like you around, the world would be a better place!

 

[spintheblackcircle]

From the standpoint of development of Russian hockey, it just makes more sense to have a policy that, in close calls on player selection, gives preference to players who play in Russia entertaining Russian fans. NHL money flows exclusively to NA team owners that have NA business objectives that do not benefit Russian hockey in any form. Meanwhile, the KHL and VHL are trying to develop hockey teams that excite local fans and create local business benefits. For Russia, when the best players go to NA, it is a lose-lose proposition. Look at Ovechkin for instance. He makes a multi-million dollar salary, but he is generating billions of dollars in revenue for the Washington Capitols owner, who is not Russian and does not live in Russia. So when it comes to player selection for elite players representing the country, no apologies for favoring Russia-based players are required!

Let's just go back to the 60's and 70's, right? Keep the NHL Euro-free! Russians should only make money for other Russians.

 

[My3Sons]

Let's just go back to the 60's and 70's, right? Keep the NHL Euro-free! Russians should only make money for other Russians.

I don't think it's that different than some of the preferences shown by the US at times. I know I've seen some comments that guys who play NDTP get preference over guys that play CHL juniors. Countries are going to prioritize the national development of their programs if they can. In a close call on a roster I don't think it's surprising the program shows loyalty to guys who have been loyal to the program. I don't think what the other poster is suggesting is that the NHL should not have European skaters, but maybe I'm wrong.

 

[LeafChief]

To pivot away from the politics and demographics over the past 50 + years of your proud country, as a fan of Hockey I’m excited about many of the players you’re producing.

I admit that I am sometimes confused with the development path that your country uses, but just because it’s different from what I’m familiar with doesn’t make it wrong.

Please continue educating us in the West on these differences. Yes, there are times when we in the West could pose our concerns/questions more tactfully.

I look forward to learning more about your young talent and development program.
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A lot of people could learn a thing or two from you, @Ginger Papa.

Happy Holidays!

 

[spintheblackcircle]

I don't think what the other poster is suggesting is that the NHL should not have European skaters, but maybe I'm wrong.

Me either.

I think he is suggesting Russians stay in Russia and play for Russian teams.

 

[My3Sons]

Me either.

I think he is suggesting Russians stay in Russia and play for Russian teams.

To me it was more that Russian trained young players will get priority when picking international competition teams over guys that go overseas. If my impression is correct then it's not much different than the US. I'm not sure about how Canada treats NCAA guys compared to CHL guys?

 

[Yakushev72]

Me either.

I think he is suggesting Russians stay in Russia and play for Russian teams.

I'm suggesting that there is a major hockey league headquartered in Russia whose interests should be considered by hockey programs funded by Russian money. And what I specifically said is that in close calls on player selection, the winner should always be the kid who plays in Russia over the kid who goes to NA. I don't see what is controversial about that! It is just good business investment. The Russian money investment, hard earned, is totally lost when a kid decides to seek his future in another country. it is his right to do so, good luck and all that, but sorry get your exposure to NHL brass from your CHL bosses. A kid who decides to use the skills paid for in Russia somewhere else has to accept that reality.

 

[Fatass]

I'm suggesting that there is a major hockey league headquartered in Russia whose interests should be considered by hockey programs funded by Russian money. And what I specifically said is that in close calls on player selection, the winner should always be the kid who plays in Russia over the kid who goes to NA. I don't see what is controversial about that! It is just good business investment. The Russian money investment, hard earned, is totally lost when a kid decides to seek his future in another country. it is his right to do so, good luck and all that, but sorry get your exposure to NHL brass from your CHL bosses. A kid who decides to use the skills paid for in Russia somewhere else has to accept that reality.

That’s true for all players in the National League from Europe, or it should be.

 

[Yakushev72]

That’s true for all players in the National League from Europe, or it should be.

I'm not sure what you mean, but if you are saying that NHL owners have a right to draft or select North Americans when there are close calls with European prospects, they absolutely do it all the time. Any of the European players will tell you that the only reason they are on a roster is that there wasn't a North American who was a comparable prospect to draft instead. They have no choice but to accept it and carry on.

 

[Atas2000]

Maybe it was the case where you grew up, my father tells entirely different stories.

Also, calling the shortage of anything in the Soviet Union "utter nonsense" is crazy. You can blindly point at anything and it was probably a deficit product sometime someplace in that glorious country. Arguing it was flush of hockey equipment... Come on.

I dod not grow up beyond the polar circle, you know, nor was it the capital or something. Pretty much soviet average.

You totally fall into the recency trap. The late SU is not what it was like throughout it's history.

 

[LMFAO]

One thing is for sure.

Every russian player already got their Covid vaccine lol

 

[stickty111]

Is this true?

 

[Lainehasaweirdface]

Great to see so many players that chose to play in North America make the squad.

Aaaaaand then Larionov has Abramov, easily the 2nd best centre on this team, pegged as an extra forward.

 

[Lainehasaweirdface]

Is this true?

Yup, I've heard he also has Knayazev on 3rd pair lmao

 

[Statsy]

Is this true?

Where does that intel come from, exactly? One thing I'm pretty sure of is that Larionov would likely hold less bias against those that played in North America, considering he did it himself.

 

[stickty111]

Where does that intel come from, exactly? One thing I'm pretty sure of is that Larionov would likely hold less bias against those that played in North America, considering he did it himself.

I was just curious. It would be a wierd decision, but we'll see.

 

[Lainehasaweirdface]

Where does that intel come from, exactly? One thing I'm pretty sure of is that Larionov would likely hold less bias against those that played in North America, considering he did it himself.

Literally Larionov himself. He's being interviewed in the video.

 

[ponder]

Excited for an Amirov/Khusnutdinov/Podz line, should be pretty dominant. I was thinking we’d see Amirov/Podz/Chinakhov all on different lines, as they’re all natural RWs, so a nice surprise.

Abramov as the 5th C is pretty shocking though, thought he’d be the 2C or 3C. I’m guessing 2-4 would be Safonov, Spiridonov and Ponomaryov (in some order)? Hopefully Amirov can impress Larionov more in the coming days, because the 2-4 guys aren’t overly strong, would’ve thought Abramov would make the team pretty easily.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Aaaaaand then Larionov has Abramov, easily the 2nd best centre on this team, pegged as an extra forward.

Ponomarev is the 3rd center on the team, and he plays in NA...

 

[Fantomas]

Aaaaaand then Larionov has Abramov, easily the 2nd best centre on this team

Uh, debatable. We'll see. Abramov could still get his chances.

 

[jvr32]

Seeing a lot of people say this teams defense is bad... I can't agree with that. This is the age group that stopped the historic team USA in the U18's. And won WJAC (where they won without Askarov) and Hlinka while displaying very solid defense. Kuznetsov should have been a first round pick, Chayka could be a top 10 pick in next year's draft, Chistyakov is a regular in a good team in the KHL, add Knyazev, that should be a very solid top 4 defense. And then after all Mukhamadullin was a first round pick, even though I don't rate him that highly from what I've seen so far.