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Pre-Game Talk: 2021 Rookie Faceoff 9/17-20

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Ziggy Stardust said:
Should’ve drafted Bogosian instead of Doughty too.
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Not for nothing, but in your analogy Doughty is Stutzle and Bogo is Byfield. The debate that year was do you take the more NHL-ready prospect (Doughty) or the high potential one (Bogo).

Not saying it turns out the same, but you said what you said.
 
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Getz2noone said:
Was more aimed at the guy talking about redrafting and taking stutzle

I think fans need to be a little patient with byfield… and let him develop at his pace and not spend so much time comparing him to a much older player in stutzle that already had experience with men( :sarcasm: ).
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I'm certainly not comparing him to Stutzle, I'm evaluating him off of a rookie tournament, filled with kids his age (or close to) and somehow had the misconception that he should dominate at times. My bad....didn't really see it. Did he look horrible? Not at all.... did he look like a #2 overall pick? Not really, but then again what the f*** do I know.
 
I'm not really concerned about either of them, but if I had to be worried, it would be about Kaliyev more than Byfield. He had some fabulous opportunities and didn't finish close to his ability.
 
LT Dan said:
No. They don't. It's like they expect everyone to step right in like Doughty

Can we trade for you and send a few posters to the Ducks board as restitution?

We are prepared to offer up
Andys
Axl Rhoadz
and
Yog S'loth

for
Getz2noone
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Eh, what now?

Hell no, I retire, I won't go, you can't make me, I have a communicable disease and you wouldn't want me.
 
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SmytheKing said:
Not for nothing, but in your analogy Doughty is Stutzle and Bogo is Byfield. The debate that year was do you take the more NHL-ready prospect (Doughty) or the high potential one (Bogo).

Not saying it turns out the same, but you said what you said.
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Actually, you're wrong. Both were viewed as NHL ready and both made the jump immediately, and Bogo was viewed as the more physically mature player compared to the less physically mature Doughty. The one thing people have said repeatedly about Byfield is that he's still growing physically and has time to build up his tall, lanky frame.

The guy who was viewed as a project was Tyler Myers, and Alex Pietrangelo was viewed as a dark horse because he was seen as someone who was more of an unfinished product on the development side versus Doughty or Bogosian.

You also clearly don't know the history behind my sarcastic comment given that Johnny Utah was clamoring for Bogosian over Doughty, like he is prematurely lamenting Stutzle over Byfield.
 
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Dayum I missed the game today who won? Assuming the Knights because of how crappy we usually play them no matter what level.
 
The whole Byfield discussion has become so toxic.

It was a weak draft, so Doughty at 2 was still a higher caliber player than Byfield.

Consider the fact that Stutzle hasnt shown all too much yet in the NHL, neither did Lafreniere, and Byfield hasn't really shown anything spectacular age aside.

It just could be that we got the high pick of a lower skilled draft class.

I think the one thing about Byfield that he's not very assertive for his size. However it's possible that if he learns to use it he will become much better.. However, there are players who never learn to.

Let's not kill one another.
 
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ru4reals said:
Dayum I missed the game today who won? Assuming the Knights because of how crappy we usually play them no matter what level.
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Yep. As much as I love my Kings, the Knights are a very good team, I will miss watching them play here, their AHL team is damn good too.
 
Sol said:
I think the one thing about Byfield that he's not very assertive for his size. However it's possible that if he learns to use it he will become much better.. However, there are players who never learn to.
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That’s an out of date take as he’s definitely shown development on that side of things. He’s not afraid of contact and is definitely improving in being more assertive. If you watched his AHL games you’d have seen that.

For someone like Byfield this rookie camp is preparation for main camp. It’s a tuning exercise and he knows he’s there until the end. For other guys like Chromiak he’s fighting to stay at camp as long as possible, it’s a slightly different context.

So for me I don’t put too much stock in relative performance because the context for each player varies. They will each have different goals and objectives set for them. Obviously we want to see good things but I’m very cautious in comparisons.

Byfield for me was clearly a class above most of the guys and Turcotte looked good also. They along with Kalyev looked like they were in preparation mode for main camp. So for them I wasn’t all that worried about pts totals. There’s more to come from all these guys before the season starts.
 
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Statto said:
That’s an out of date take as he’s definitely shown development on that side of things. He’s not afraid of contact and is definitely improving in being more assertive. If you watched his AHL games you’d have seen that.

For someone like Byfield this rookie camp is preparation for main camp. It’s a tuning exercise and he knows he’s there until the end. For other guys like Chromiak he’s fighting to stay at camp as long as possible, it’s a slightly different context.

So for me I don’t put too much stock in relative performance because the context for each player varies. They will each have different goals and objectives set for them. Obviously we want to see good things but I’m very cautious in comparisons.

Byfield for me was clearly a class above most of the guys and Turcotte looked good also. They along with Kalyev looked like they were in preparation mode for main camp. So for them I wasn’t all that worried about pts totals. There’s more to come from all these guys before the season starts.
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Right, looking at this tourney, there's something to be said for 1. draft pedigree and 2. 'development years.' You'll notice a lot of standouts are guys with pro experience or college. Someone like Durzi fits into #2--he probably won't have a big role but looks excellent amongst THESE peers. The blue chip guys look just a mile ahead of everyone else, just that they're still getting used to it. Byfield, Turcotte, Chromiak especially et. al. looked a CLEAR step ahead of any other prospects we've seen this tourney--the only ones I've watched that even remotely compared where Guenther, a game of Zegras and Drysdale, and Byram. The blue chip names looked like they were learning, trying things--whereas the 2nd group of guys were/are fighting for their careers/spots (look at Ty Emberson headhunting all game vs. the Yotes, the guy couldn't do a thing elsewise).

I guess in short I don't see how anyone could look at Byfield, Turcotte, Chromiak, Kaliyev in context (it's a f***ing rookie scrimmage) and draw any worrying conclusions. It's not about the results here it's about the process, and both process AND results looked great.
 
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kilowatt said:
You guys... this was a rookie tournament in September. Let's relax the doom and gloom just a smidge.
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I watched the second game and it seemed like the ice was just bad. Puck was bouncing over everyone's stick. Byfield still made a few great passes that probably should have gotten him a point or two. Sloppy game all around, nobody could do much of anything on offense from either side.
 
kilowatt said:
You guys... this was a rookie tournament in September. Let's relax the doom and gloom just a smidge.
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Much of the doom and gloom is coming from posters that always find the negative in things. Perhaps because they don’t want to be hopeful and be disappointed or because it’s Blake or whatever. It’s the same constant griping about Byfield (still don’t get why anyone is down on the guy), Turcotte (for a few injuries), Blake for not trading Kopitar/Doughty etc. It’s essentially the same complaint repeatedly recycled and repackaged. It’s their prerogative but it’s getting tiresome, but mostly I get annoyed at myself for getting drawn into it… again. I already regret typing this but as I’ve put the effort in I’ll post it :laugh:
 
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Like a classic chili recipe requires a lot of simmering time, Byfield just needs time to unfold and fully develop his entire game. There's a lot there to unpack and develop.

I'd like to see him left down in the AHL for the entire season, unless he starts scoring in bunches and challenges for the scoring title.

When Byfield is getting 1.5 pts/game in the AHL, then I'd promote him, however long that takes.
He'll get there.

Rushing is not necessary.
 
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