Prospect Info: 2021 NHL Draft Thread

[Captain Awesome]

Bobby boy has McTavish and Edvinsson top 5 now.


Johnson and Lucius 9 and 10 respectively


If the goalies get taken early we might land one of them

Seems to be a lot of rumors that Ottawa is in for a goalie.

 

[Captain Awesome]

In what world?

It is technically correct, the Stars did draft him in the top 15!

 

[M88K]

It is technically correct, the Stars did draft him in the top 15!

True, but it insinuated that he's actually a top 15 talent in that draft class, instead of a massive reach that had no business going in the 1st round

 

[Captain Awesome]

True, but it insinuated that he's actually a top 15 talent in that draft class, instead of a massive reach that had no business going in the 1st round

I was 100% being a smartass because I fully agreed with you, after looking at your list I'm not really sure how you could have the take that Gurianov is top 15, maybe if his hockey sense wasn't so bad, and if our coach used him properly, he could crack that list, but it's a really good draft year.

 

[M88K]

I was 100% being a smartass because I fully agreed with you, after looking at your list I'm not really sure how you could have the take that Gurianov is top 15, maybe if his hockey sense wasn't so bad, and if our coach used him properly, he could crack that list, but it's a really good draft year.

My bad then

 

[BfantZ]

True, but it insinuated that he's actually a top 15 talent in that draft class, instead of a massive reach that had no business going in the 1st round

If you go and look at the draft it was a deep top fifteen and you can make a case for about 20 other guys to go before him in a redraft , but definitely a first round pick . Hintz would be one of the guys ahead of him .

 

[M88K]

If you go and look at the draft it was a deep top fifteen and you can make a case for about 20 other guys to go before him in a redraft , but definitely a first round pick . Hintz would be one of the guys ahead of him .

There are 20 players from that draft so far ahead of him it's not even funny then you have another 10-15 that are better than him by a decent amount. Then you have his tier somewhere around pick 35.

Above i listed 29 names that would all go ahead of him in a redraft.
He's not "definitely" a first round pick.
He's very clearer a 3rd tier talent that could be argued for early 2nd round, but more than likely is a mid 2nd in a redraft. Anybody that thinks otherwise has never watched him play.
Even players like zacha bring more to the table than gurianov does

 

[Magic Mittens]

I don’t know if I’d say Debrusk, White and Nutivaara are really ahead of Gury. That’s just my opinion, but everyone else for sure

 

[WhoahNow]

So basically if Hintz and Guri swapped draft spots we'd be happy?

 

[M88K]

So basically if Hintz and Guri swapped draft spots we'd be happy?

No.
Hintz would have been a reach too.
And it's not like he's as good as Barzal/Connor either.
He's just significantly better than gurianov

 

[Morry83]

I love 2021 Draft talk

 

[M88K]

I love 2021 Draft talk

Eh, there's nothing to talk about for a week, until we know what character guy or "top 7 skill. No question" 3rd liner we take next

 

[serp]

No.
Hintz would have been a reach too.
And it's not like he's as good as Barzal/Connor either.
He's just significantly better than gurianov

Hintz should've been rated higher just like Aho . They weren't the headliner of the finnish WJC team but pretty big parts.

 

[M88K]

Hintz should've been rated higher just like Aho . They weren't the headliner of the finish WJC team but pretty big parts.

Either way, we never should have passed on the two obvious slam dunk picks that were available.
I would love to get my hands on whatever drug led to that decision.

 

[FirstRowUpperDeck]

We're going to have to let 2015 go at some point. Some positive takeaways:

- We drafted our two leading scoring forwards (Guri last year, Hintz this year)
- Barzel wasn't enough to get the Isles past TB either
- 29 other GM's passed on Hintz, about half that passed on Hintz twice, so Nill isn't as dumb as we thought he was, (if you thought he was).
- He was drafting for skill, which is what we are begging him to draft for this year, and it worked out (to a great degree) while drafting for size the next year did not, then skill for 2017 and 2018, then grit in 2019, then some skill and some grit in 2020. I doubt he goes for size and or grit again, unless it's just part of the package, like McTavish or to a degree, Sillinger.

 

[M88K]

We're going to have to let 2015 go at some point. Some positive takeaways:

- We drafted our two leading scoring forwards (Guri last year, Hintz this year)
- Barzel wasn't enough to get the Isles past TB either
- 29 other GM's passed on Hintz, about half that passed on Hintz twice, so Nill isn't as dumb as we thought he was, (if you thought he was).
- He was drafting for skill, which is what we are begging him to draft for this year, and it worked out (to a great degree) while drafting for size the next year did not, then skill for 2017 and 2018, then grit in 2019, then some skill and some grit in 2020. I doubt he goes for size and or grit again, unless it's just part of the package, like McTavish or to a degree, Sillinger.

No we don't that is a huge f***up that still nobody has been fired for.
At least after the campbell f*** up, they held people accountable for it.
We weren't drafting for skill in 2015, because again we would have had Barzal.

They didn't draft for skill in 2018 either, they reached again, for character. That's why we have Dellandrea.
Hintz went around where he was ranked. Other gms didn't "pass" on him. This isn't a similar situation to a top 10 talent, at a position of need no less, falling into your lap and then selecting a low iq russian, that would have been available in the 2nd round if not later.
Then having your Pejorative Slured director of amateur scouting come out and boast that he was one of the top 7 or 5 skilled guys in the draft no question.
He wasn't then, and it's no where near it even now.

Also what are taking about leading scoring?

Pavelski led the team in scoring This year
Robertson was 2nd, then hintz

Last year
Seguin led the team, followed by benn, heiskanen, radulov, then hintz.


You don't get a pass on colossal f***s like Honka and Gurianov or other poor decisions like dellandrea, because
hintz and likely damiani pan put.
Nill surrounded himself with his friends from detroit, and refuses to hold them accountable so yeah he's an idiot.

 

[FirstRowUpperDeck]

No we don't that is a huge f***up that still nobody has been fired for.
At least after the campbell f*** up, they held people accountable for it.
We weren't drafting for skill in 2015, because again we would have had Barzal.

They didn't draft for skill in 2018 either, they reached again, for character. That's why we have Dellandrea.
Hintz went around where he was ranked. Other gms didn't "pass" on him. This isn't a similar situation to a top 10 talent, at a position of need no less, falling into your lap and then selecting a low iq russian, that would have been available in the 2nd round if not later.
Then having your Pejorative Slured director of amateur scouting come out and boast that he was one of the top 7 or 5 skilled guys in the draft no question.
He wasn't then, and it's no where near it even now.

Also what are taking about leading scoring?

Pavelski led the team in scoring This year
Robertson was 2nd, then hintz

Last year
Seguin led the team, followed by benn, heiskanen, radulov, then hintz.


You don't get a pass on colossal f***s like Honka and Gurianov or other poor decisions like dellandrea, because
hintz and likely damiani pan put.
Nill surrounded himself with his friends from detroit, and refuses to hold them accountable so yeah he's an idiot.

I should have clarified that any fan, not borderline unhinged with Stars hate to change his username to reflect his belief that dumping our 13th forward was the key to improving the team, and for good measure adds the subtitle of "Jim Nill Sucks" for good measure, should get over that draft. I didn't expect you to, LOL.

As to my other comments, oops I forgot about Pavs, and in 2019-20 was thinking of goals, not total points, which Guri led.

I agree Barzal is the better player, and the Stars got focused on skill and speed, but Guri really hadn't been seen against top competition, and I always have believed actual results were a better indicator than some numbers on a stopwatch.

However, the Stars got two of their top six FW out of this draft, which by most league wide measures would be a successful draft. I also agree with your recollection that not many had Guri as a first round ranking, although I seem to recall that one had him at 27-28, with most in the 35-45 range, maybe even lower.

Lastly, I had my years mixed up. I thought Harley was drafted before TyD, but was wrong. Harley was def for skill. TyD was drafted for character, and IIRC, taken a bit higher than his ranking.

In any case, life goes on, and we can only look forward to a few more successful drafts. TB is currently living on their 2009-10 drafts (with Hedman and Stamkos as 1-2 picks) and then picking up a player a year since then. We can hope 2017 was our building year and that we keep getting a few more prospects each year. Granted, most Cup winners had two top lottery picks, so I guess you could say Nill's biggest weakness was not building a total failure of a team that got top picks year after year.

 

[M88K]

I should have clarified that any fan, not borderline unhinged with Stars hate to change his username to reflect his belief that dumping our 13th forward was the key to improving the team, and for good measure adds the subtitle of "Jim Nill Sucks" for good measure, should get over that draft. I didn't expect you to, LOL.

As to my other comments, oops I forgot about Pavs, and in 2019-20 was thinking of goals, not total points, which Guri led.

I agree Barzal is the better player, and the Stars got focused on skill and speed, but Guri really hadn't been seen against top competition, and I always have believed actual results were a better indicator than some numbers on a stopwatch.

However, the Stars got two of their top six FW out of this draft, which by most league wide measures would be a successful draft. I also agree with your recollection that not many had Guri as a first round ranking, although I seem to recall that one had him at 27-28, with most in the 35-45 range, maybe even lower.

Lastly, I had my years mixed up. I thought Harley was drafted before TyD, but was wrong. Harley was def for skill. TyD was drafted for character, and IIRC, taken a bit higher than his ranking.

In any case, life goes on, and we can only look forward to a few more successful drafts. TB is currently living on their 2009-10 drafts (with Hedman and Stamkos as 1-2 picks) and then picking up a player a year since then. We can hope 2017 was our building year and that we keep getting a few more prospects each year. Granted, most Cup winners had two top lottery picks, so I guess you could say Nill's biggest weakness was not building a total failure of a team that got top picks year after year.

He did that too. 2017 wasn't a fluke

 

[MrHeiskanen]

McTavish rises, Sens go goalie in Button’s final mock draft

15. Matthew Coronato

Right Wing | Chicago (USHL) | 5'10 1/4 | 183 lbs. | Nov. 14, 2004

If the Flyers snipe Othmann from us in the real draft, I will be a happy man.

 

[Morry83]

I’m good with Coronato. I’m fine with taking a chance on a guy who averaged a goal a game.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

Patrick, Foerster.. maybe the Flyers do take Othmann he is kind of their first round pick build.

 

[FirstRowUpperDeck]

I would be okay with Corranato. The more I think about it, the more think they may go with Ceulemans, even as the 5-6th ranked D in this draft. Organizationally, they need a bit of everything, but may need D prospects most, followed by Goalie. They have the bodies at Forward, just not the skill.


I hope not, I hope the first pick is BPA, with a bent towards skill. With the next 7 picks, unless gems really fall, I might look to go 3 forwards, 2 D and a goalie, based on how many of each can be on the ice at one time, LOL.

Of course, I really know nothing.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

I mean, if we get shafted and all the forwards go before us leaving us with Othmann, or Svechkov, etc. I think we do go Lambos or Ceulemans then.

 

[Captain Awesome]

I hope not, I hope the first pick is BPA, with a bent towards skill. With the next 7 picks, unless gems really fall, I might look to go 3 forwards, 2 D and a goalie, based on how many of each can be on the ice at one time, LOL.

Of course, I really know nothing.

Just draft BPA the whole time, if you did a good job then you can trade away any surpluses you have for what you need. Just hope we have a GM who is better at it than Dave Poile.

On a separate note, I've heard this year's goalies past Wallstedt and Cossa are absolutely dogshit, apparently this draft has some of the worst goalie depth ever. I'll be interested to see if that shakes out in the draft, but I'd lower your hopes of getting a goalie unless we get one of the top two guys. I won't be surprised if both are gone before our pick (which would be great, so we can scoop up the falling skaters instead).

 

[Starry Knight]

Just draft BPA the whole time, if you did a good job then you can trade away any surpluses you have for what you need. Just hope we have a GM who is better at it than Dave Poile.

On a separate note, I've heard this year's goalies past Wallstedt and Cossa are absolutely dogshit, apparently this draft has some of the worst goalie depth ever. I'll be interested to see if that shakes out in the draft, but I'd lower your hopes of getting a goalie unless we get one of the top two guys. I won't be surprised if both are gone before our pick (which would be great, so we can scoop up the falling skaters instead).

Benjamin Gaudreau and Triston Lennox are pretty good goalies as well. I don't think anyone has a strong ability to project the strengths and weaknesses of this draft because the OHL didn't play a single game this season and the other Canadian leagues barely played.

I was *extremely* bullish on the 2003 crop of OHLers and who knows how a lot of the players who didn't play overseas progressed. You have someone like Stuart Rolofs who is projected to be a mid- to late-round pick and he has the tools and build of Roope Hintz, but we have no clue how he progressed. This is even more true for goalies who get shelled in their first 1-2 years in the CHL and then come into their own.