Red Sox/MLB 2021 Hot Stove III - Jackie Bradley Jr. Signs w/ Brewers

[LouJersey]

Potential and Control are valued over production.

Having an MVP-caliber player on your roster doesn't do you much good if you win 78 games and then he signs somewhere else as a free agent.

you tender him and get a top 50 pick when he leaves

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

you tender him and get a top 50 pick when he leaves

Or you trade him and get a few legit prospects and pieces instead of a top 50 pick. Really hard to judge this one off of the pieces we know. If the PTBNLs are decent then it changes the outlook on the deal.

 

[Gator Mike]

you tender him and get a top 50 pick when he leaves

You'd rather have a single Top 50 pick than a 24-year old outfielder who finished 12th in the MVP voting and one of the best 75 prospects in all of baseball?

 

[McGarnagle]

We all loved Mookie and we all miss him, but seriously nobody can possibly deny that Bloom got a hell of a return.

Like DKH, I also kind of feel like Mookie wanted to play someplace else for cultural reasons but was too nice and respectful to ever say that, so we probably wouldn't have re-signed him anyway.

 

[LouJersey]

You'd rather have a single Top 50 pick than a 24-year old outfielder who finished 12th in the MVP voting and one of the best 75 prospects in all of baseball?

I'd rather have Mookie Betts thank you. You said you lose them for nothing, that's not true. Verdugo got 1% share of the vote lol.

 

[LouJersey]

Or you trade him and get a few legit prospects and pieces instead of a top 50 pick. Really hard to judge this one off of the pieces we know. If the PTBNLs are decent then it changes the outlook on the deal.

Again, the A's and Rays do this stuff. I wasn't talking about AB, just saying you don't lose these guys for nothing, but didn't AB have another couple years left of control?

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Again, the A's and Rays do this stuff. I wasn't talking about AB, just saying you don't lose these guys for nothing, but didn't AB have another couple years left of control?

Yeah, I realized that after I sent the reply haha. Bloom comes from the Rays who have success with it. Bloom can use the money to maintain and build off that model.

 

[Chevalier du Clavier]

We all loved Mookie and we all miss him, but seriously nobody can possibly deny that Bloom got a hell of a return.

Like DKH, I also kind of feel like Mookie wanted to play someplace else for cultural reasons but was too nice and respectful to ever say that, so we probably wouldn't have re-signed him anyway.

Maybe Mookie was just being polite. But I have no reason to doubt Jim Ed.

 

[LouJersey]

We all loved Mookie and we all miss him, but seriously nobody can possibly deny that Bloom got a hell of a return.

Like DKH, I also kind of feel like Mookie wanted to play someplace else for cultural reasons but was too nice and respectful to ever say that, so we probably wouldn't have re-signed him anyway.

is that the popular consensus up there? Top 3 player in baseball for Verdugo and a prospect?

Is what it is at this point, but it sounds more like you guys trying to convince yourselves you're ok with trading players entering their prime instead of paying them, hoping one day you'll develop players just like them.

 

[LouJersey]

Yeah, I realized that after I sent the reply haha. Bloom comes from the Rays who have success with it. Bloom can use the money to maintain and build off that model.

I like Bloom. He lost out to BVW somehow with the Mets, and kelenic would have still been a Met which would have been great, but Jacob DeGrom would not have been and I would have been furious.

 

[Gator Mike]

I'd rather have Mookie Betts thank you. You said you lose them for nothing, that's not true.

Got it.

But as long as we're picking nits, the Red Sox - as a team that pays the luxury tax rather than receives luxury tax money - would receive a compensatory pick after the 4th round, not the 1st. Not a Top 50 draft pick... a Top 150 draft pick.

 

[LouJersey]

Got it.

But as long as we're picking nits, the Red Sox - as a team that pays the luxury tax rather than receives luxury tax money - would receive a compensatory pick after the 4th round, not the 1st. Not a Top 50 draft pick... a Top 150 draft pick.

Ok that I didn’t know, but I think you keep guys like betts and AB. I give him credit tho it’s either going to be a masterpiece or a disaster

 

[CDJ]

is that the popular consensus up there? Top 3 player in baseball for Verdugo and a prospect?

Is what it is at this point, but it sounds more like you guys trying to convince yourselves you're ok with trading players entering their prime instead of paying them, hoping one day you'll develop players just like them.

For one singular year of Mookie? Absolutely

the difference between Mookie and Verdugo last year was about 1 win worth of value. Verdugo is a hell of a player. He’s not Mookie but he’s definitely one of the rising young outfielders in baseball- not a bonafide superstar like Acuna or Soto but in that tier right below it. He’s basically Benintendi when Benintendi was going strong, except he’s probably a better fielder and has less of a platoon split. Maybe a tick less raw power but I could easily see Verdugo popping 20+ a year with a good average, good OBP, and good defense in both CF and RF

 

[Johnnyduke]

In thinking about this again, isn't Benintendi's value at its lowest? If you don't like him why not throw him out there for half a season and then trade him. He can't possibly be worse than he was the last year and a half, right?

 

[EvilDead]

f*** this team and f*** this ownership group. They are out there trying to build a beer league softball team rather than a real baseball team. Just a bunch of unimpressive one tool players who suck a bag of dicks outside of power hitting (outside of Bogaerts, Dalbec, Chavis, Verdugo and Devers) while shipping out any remaining talented prospects drafted by Epstein for scrap. It is f***ing awful and unwatchable. The day John Henry sells this team can't come soon enough.

 

[Gator Mike]

Ok that I didn’t know, but I think you keep guys like betts and AB.

Even when Benny was going well, I never got the impression that he was someone the Red Sox had to keep. At least for me, he was never what Devers or Bogaerts are now. I think we all liked the idea of what we thought he could be, but he never actually got there. And I doubt it'll happen in KC, either... for a number of reasons.

I don't buy the idea that Mookie was unhappy here and that he wanted to leave Boston. I do think that prior to Covid-19, he very much wanted to test the market to see what he was worth. And I don't begrudge him that - he earned that right. But that would have opened the door to the nightmare scenario where he tests the market and signs somewhere else. I don't think the Red Sox were ever willing to let that become a serious possibility.

 

[CDJ]

In thinking about this again, isn't Benintendi's value at its lowest? If you don't like him why not throw him out there for half a season and then trade him. He can't possibly be worse than he was the last year and a half, right?

they can play last year off as a covid fluke with a small sample and an injury, if he comes out and delivers a half a season of garbage baseball then all of a sudden it looks a lot less like a fluke and a lot more like a trend

its a risk that I think they mitigated by getting 5 pieces back, one of which should contribute in Benny’s spot provided he can stay healthy. Health is the main factor with Cordero at the end of the day, not talent




So by no means was he sold at his highest point- But I think they set a specific bar a team had to meet to get him and the bar was met. I don’t think they were desperate to deal him

and if they were thats not a great sign for Benny and what the Sox think of him going forward

 

[Gator Mike]

They are out there trying to build a beer league softball team rather than a real baseball team.

Do you know what the American League's combined batting average was in 2020?

It was .243.

Twenty years ago, it was .276.

EVERYONE is trying to build a beer league softball team full of one-dimensional power hitters.

 

[DKH]

 

[DKH]

I’m assuming same with Mets PTBNL

so Benintendi for
Franchy Cordero
3 decent prospects

and they sign JBJ

 

[LSCII]

I'd rather have Mookie Betts thank you. You said you lose them for nothing, that's not true. Verdugo got 1% share of the vote lol.

Exactly. Verdugo is a good young player, but you let an MVP caliber player walk because management f***ed up their payroll by overspending on stiffs. Anyone justifying this is doing nothing but making excuses.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Honestly. Sox outfield. LIFTOFF.

Cordero will hit and be a moose power threat in LF.

JBJ will give you his usual + likability/personality. Perfect outfield leader

Verdugo = fun with talent.

Renfroe in the mix. Will regain some of his past value.

 

[LSCII]

I’m assuming same with Mets PTBNL

so Benintendi for
Franchy Cordero
3 decent prospects

and they sign JBJ

Or they could have kept Benny and still resigned JBJ. What's better? Or trade Benny but for MLB players instead and then resign JBJ. Still better for the big squad versus players who may or may not ever make it to the show, no?

 

[chizzler]

With how hard they're selling this guy, it sounds like stat nerd wet dream bullshit to me.

Perfectly put!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hate this shit.

 

[CDJ]

If Franchy Cordero doesn’t improve at all he’s a good hitter against righties

career .252/.322/.463

pairing that with Renfroe’s splits is attractive

If you factor in Cordero’s struggles against lefties he’s basically been a league average hitter (OPS- .737, OPS+ 99)

He’s battled some injury problems- that’s why he’s not established. I think people undersell his floor- he can play baseball